a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293571]Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge.[/quote]

I've never seen that posted here, so I don't know whether that's the case or not.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=293557]I don’t know how people can bring up Yawke regression but always avoid Shamorie’s ascension. You guys do remember Shamorie was projected to go to Europe and had only 4 college offers (Arizona is five but they were really late) but is now projected by ESPN, Sportsnation, bleacher Report and Sports illustrated as a first round pick. By all accounts Shamorie is about to go from living in the projects to being a young college educated millionaire.

If you blame Yawke regression on the staff, Shouldn’t the Staff get credit for this[/quote]

Ponds had far more than five offers, and he was also a consensus top 40 player coming out of HS.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=293573][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293571]Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge.[/quote]

I've never seen that posted here, so I don't know whether that's the case or not.[/quote]

The only person I've seen who posted anything about witnessing Yakwe was Beast, so more exaggeration or simply not knowing per usual.

I also wanna know where Ponds' family verbally stated they were pleased with Shamorie becoming an "elite player" and the "coaching" he's received. Maybe, I missed that one.
 
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293571]Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge . Conversely it also seems the Ponds Family is pleased with Shamorie’s becoming the Elite player he is and the Coaching he has gotten from this Staff . They also seemed to value Mullin’s advice and counsel as they and Shamorie tested the NBA waters this summer.[/quote]

I will file your missive under "You CAN make this stuff up".
If you really followed our players you would have noticed that they have been working with outside trainers.
I'm not going to knock the staff for work with players from October to end of season but outside of that contractual period they don't seem that involved with the players personally.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293560][quote="Chicago Days" post=293558]FWIW, Tre Mann verbally committed to FL. Wonder if that 'helps' us with Jalen Gaffney?[/quote]
No, Xavier is main competition[/quote] the team with the new coach ? The 36 year old guy who never was head coach before ?
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=293580][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293571]Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge . Conversely it also seems the Ponds Family is pleased with Shamorie’s becoming the Elite player he is and the Coaching he has gotten from this Staff . They also seemed to value Mullin’s advice and counsel as they and Shamorie tested the NBA waters this summer.[/quote]

I will file your missive under "You CAN make this stuff up".
If you really followed our players you would have noticed that they have been working with outside trainers.
I'm not going to knock the staff for work with players from October to end of season but outside of that contractual period they don't seem that involved with the players personally.[/quote]
Contractural period? So basketball coaching is a part time position at St. John's? NCAA does allow off season skill work outs for the players, something like 6-8 hours per week for a certain period (not sure on details).
 
[quote="L J S A" post=293563][quote="Sju grad 13" post=293557]I don’t know how people can bring up Yawke regression but always avoid Shamorie’s ascension. You guys do remember Shamorie was projected to go to Europe and had only 4 college offers (Arizona is five but they were really late) but is now projected by ESPN, Sportsnation, bleacher Report and Sports illustrated as a first round pick. By all accounts Shamorie is about to go from living in the projects to being a young college educated millionaire.

If you blame Yawke regression on the staff, Shouldn’t the Staff get credit for this[/quote]

I guess it depends on the nature of the blame. If someone thinks the regression occurred because the staff has been 2,800 miles away and not around to work with Yakwe, then they certainly weren't around to help Ponds.

That said, Ponds probably could pick up tips that Hall of Fame guards could provide because he had the skills to do so. Yakwe . . . not so much. I don't know what happens at practice, but Yakwe probably needed a ton of individualized help. If he didn't get it, that's probably a failure. But maybe he got it and just never got better. I used to be able to jump really high for a 5'10 white dude, but my skills plateaued by age 16. Maybe Yakwe plateaued at 18.[/quote] They definitely get credit for Ponds. What I will think is interesting is since Yakwe and Owens dont have to sit a year is did either improve over the summer markedly
 
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[quote="L J S A" post=293573][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293571]Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge.[/quote]

I've never seen that posted here, so I don't know whether that's the case or not.[/quote] I missed that one also
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=293574][quote="Sju grad 13" post=293557]I don’t know how people can bring up Yawke regression but always avoid Shamorie’s ascension. You guys do remember Shamorie was projected to go to Europe and had only 4 college offers (Arizona is five but they were really late) but is now projected by ESPN, Sportsnation, bleacher Report and Sports illustrated as a first round pick. By all accounts Shamorie is about to go from living in the projects to being a young college educated millionaire.

If you blame Yawke regression on the staff, Shouldn’t the Staff get credit for this[/quote] apparently I missed the 5 offers on Ponds also

Ponds had far more than five offers, and he was also a consensus top 40 player coming out of HS.[/quote]
 
[quote="bamafan" post=293599][quote="Class of 72" post=293580][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293571]Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge . Conversely it also seems the Ponds Family is pleased with Shamorie’s becoming the Elite player he is and the Coaching he has gotten from this Staff . They also seemed to value Mullin’s advice and counsel as they and Shamorie tested the NBA waters this summer.[/quote]

I will file your missive under "You CAN make this stuff up".
If you really followed our players you would have noticed that they have been working with outside trainers.
I'm not going to knock the staff for work with players from October to end of season but outside of that contractual period they don't seem that involved with the players personally.[/quote]
Contractural period? So basketball coaching is a part time position at St. John's? NCAA does allow off season skill work outs for the players, something like 6-8 hours per week for a certain period (not sure on details).[/quote] Per hours actually worked SJU definitely one of the highest paid jobs in the country :)
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293595][quote="Paultzman" post=293560][quote="Chicago Days" post=293558]FWIW, Tre Mann verbally committed to FL. Wonder if that 'helps' us with Jalen Gaffney?[/quote]
No, Xavier is main competition[/quote] the team with the new coach ? The 36 year old guy who never was head coach before ?[/quote]

Yeah, the "new Coach" who's been at X starting as an assistant to Miller.
 
Beast posted on the Yakwe thread over the summer , page 6 , in response to several posters who had questioned how extensively the Staff had worked with Yakwe in hopes of improving his game ..Beast reported from first hand knowledge the extent the Coaching staff had exerted in trying , futilily , to help Yakwe get to a contributing level . Unfortunately , like a student who never gets Calculus , Yakwe did not improve his game at all and despite all the extra time spent , was relegated to the Bench and , ultimately transferred . Suggest any interested go back and review .
 
[quote="Section9" post=293608][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293595][quote="Paultzman" post=293560][quote="Chicago Days" post=293558]FWIW, Tre Mann verbally committed to FL. Wonder if that 'helps' us with Jalen Gaffney?[/quote]
No, Xavier is main competition[/quote] the team with the new coach ? The 36 year old guy who never was head coach before ?[/quote]

Yeah, the "new Coach" who's been at X starting as an assistant to Miller.[/quote]

Xavier has a long history of selecting talented coaches. We, on the other hand, make a news headline splash with our selection of coaches but they all drown after the slash. While our ex-coaches flame out after being fired Xavier's go on to successful careers at power conferences.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=293616][quote="Section9" post=293608][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293595][quote="Paultzman" post=293560][quote="Chicago Days" post=293558]FWIW, Tre Mann verbally committed to FL. Wonder if that 'helps' us with Jalen Gaffney?[/quote]
No, Xavier is main competition[/quote] the team with the new coach ? The 36 year old guy who never was head coach before ?[/quote]

Yeah, the "new Coach" who's been at X starting as an assistant to Miller.[/quote]

Xavier has a long history of selecting talented coaches. We, on the other hand, make a news headline splash with our selection of coaches but they all drown after the slash. While our ex-coaches flame out after being fired Xavier's go on to successful careers at power conferences.[/quote]

I get it. I was responding to MJM post about the guy being an assistant with no head coaching experience.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293604][quote="bamafan" post=293599][quote="Class of 72" post=293580][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293571]Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge . Conversely it also seems the Ponds Family is pleased with Shamorie’s becoming the Elite player he is and the Coaching he has gotten from this Staff . They also seemed to value Mullin’s advice and counsel as they and Shamorie tested the NBA waters this summer.[/quote]

I will file your missive under "You CAN make this stuff up".
If you really followed our players you would have noticed that they have been working with outside trainers.
I'm not going to knock the staff for work with players from October to end of season but outside of that contractual period they don't seem that involved with the players personally.[/quote]
Contractural period? So basketball coaching is a part time position at St. John's? NCAA does allow off season skill work outs for the players, something like 6-8 hours per week for a certain period (not sure on details).[/quote] Per hours actually worked SJU definitely one of the highest paid jobs in the country :)[/quote]

In a previous post I prorated Mully's salary as close to $3 million per year. That places him in the top 20 highest paid coaches in college basketball. As for working schedule, after 30 years of NBA off season time time off, it is hard for him and Mitch to work with a 12 month calendar.;)
 
[quote="guinness77" post=293623]What does all this have to do with Figueroa?[/quote]

Because EVERYTHING with most on here is just a prelude to bash the current staff excluding Matt of course.
The really amazing thing to me is that we should be ok this year and more than ok if Heron is eligible. And if Heron is not eligible we will be ok the following year. Usually we stink. Outside of 5 or so teams since Louie left we have been varying degrees of bad.
Why not enjoy this season and maybe the next? Seems a ST John's basketball fan would be happy that the team probably won't stink. I honestly think most on here are pissed that we wont suck because it will delay the Mullin bashing for a year or so.
If the recruiting doesn't pick up we will suck again the following season or the season after that. Mullin will be gone if that happens and you guys can start hating the next guy.
 
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