a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

[quote="redken" post=293505]Never thought I'd reach the point where I wouldn't regularly check redmen.com every hour or so (at the very least! -- and obviously I'm still doing it), but this thread has really run its course. Let's face it: it's turned into a real yawner. :([/quote]
If you are a real St. John's fan it means you are a glutton for punishment which means this is the best thread eva. :woohoo:
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=293501]The crossface chicken wing received an honorable mention in an article listing the top ten WWE submissions. I always enjoyed the sleeper hold, which appears to be the hold that many posters believe was the one that incapacitated Richmond, keeping him from performing the primary duties of an assistant coach.[/quote]

Even though I was about 50 pounds in 4th grade, no one could break my cobra clutch. So that alone makes it worthy of a top submissions list.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=293506][quote="redken" post=293505]Never thought I'd reach the point where I wouldn't regularly check redmen.com every hour or so (at the very least! -- and obviously I'm still doing it), but this thread has really run its course. Let's face it: it's turned into a real yawner. :([/quote]
If you are a real St. John's fan it means you are a glutton for punishment which means this is the best thread eva. :woohoo:[/quote]
n/m
 
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[quote="redken" post=293505]Never thought I'd reach the point where I wouldn't regularly check redmen.com every hour or so (at the very least! -- and obviously I'm still doing it), but this thread has really run its course. Let's face it: it's turned into a real yawner. :([/quote]

I think the ‘endlessly repetitive chatter’ that characterizes this thread was driven by prevailing sentiment that we needed to ‘right-size’ the Staff, given Mitch Richmond’s Houdini-like AC impressions, that Mike Rice had emerged as the leading (and only) candidate for that ‘replacement’ slot, and CM seemed ‘receptive’ to that notion.
And we waited, debated this / that, and waited some more, with tasty buzz along the way that it would happen when the AAU Season ended, at the end of the interview process, when the Staff returned to Campus, on and on, until the Soap Opera took a Homeland-like ending to reveal it was a ruse, we couldn’t have a ‘replacement’ until we had an ‘opening’, and Mullin never planned to make a change to begin with—sorry kids.
There is no Santa Claus.
To me, that qualifies as maddeningly frustrating—not to mention a tad infuriating—but not ‘boring’.
Let’s enjoy the 2018-19 Season and worry about the following years.
We are St. John’s.
 
lmao
Frankie my friend, this thread is just warming up, we still have over 2 months to go before the season starts.
He doesn't want Rice on the staff to help? I'm fine with that. He doesn't want to go on the recruiting scene, and keep MR who I have no idea what he does? I'm fine with that. No Summer Camp to invite the 2019 recruits??? Hey, I'm really good with all that. He's the coach so it's his right to do it his way.

If he fails though, no one better make any excuses for him. If they do then they'll be looked at as just an ass kisser. A real man tells it the way it is. Really, not BS.

SJU is the school I grew up rooting for since the early 80s, and will always be my school that I want badly to do good.
BS time is over, we got the talent, lets see what Chris can do with it.

I'll continue to enjoy this thread lol.
Just surprised the mods hasn't locked it up.
 
[quote="redken" post=293505]Never thought I'd reach the point where I wouldn't regularly check redmen.com every hour or so (at the very least! -- and obviously I'm still doing it), but this thread has really run its course. Let's face it: it's turned into a real yawner. :([/quote]

Not necessarily. The revelation that it’s been 13 years since Room 112 graduated from UConn is just another in an ever growing list of reasons why I am coming to the realization that, I’m at the stage of “getting” old.
 
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293534]Presumably Figueroa gets bumped from the Starting 5 if Heron is eligible . Essentially the Starters would be Ponds, Simon, Clarke , Keita and Heron , if he is eligible . Leaving Figueroa , Dixon, Trimble and the freshman coming in off the Bench . Just a side note to those who snipe at the transfers that have come here ... Figueroa , Heron will be huge upgrades over Owens and Yakwe . Losing Players because better players are coming in , is part of the game in College B.B. . It shouldn’t be a criticism of Mullin in losing either Owens or Yakwe at this point .. But, still expect the endless chatter to bemoan the loss of these 2 . It’s not a valid point any longer .[/quote]

Again a strawman. LJ Figueroa was a JUCO transfer, that is not the same as a traditional transfer since he does not have to sit out a year. Heron is a special case because he may gain eligibility, but that is not a traditional transfer either.

And no one is complaining about either since both really saved what was CLEARLY an underwhelming recruiting class. This is when the staff should be scoring in recruiting.

Lastly the biggest complaint is the fact that Yakwe regressed so badly under this staff. Yes he was not that good when he left but that is the point so much more was expected of him. He was the MVP at Peach Jam and arguably along with Ponds the most celebrated recruit of this current staff.

I can see why you like to argue with yourself. It is very easy to invent your own arguments and then proceed to carefully present counter arguments.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293534]Presumably Figueroa gets bumped from the Starting 5 if Heron is eligible . Essentially the Starters would be Ponds, Simon, Clarke , Keita and Heron , if he is eligible . Leaving Figueroa , Dixon, Trimble and the freshman coming in off the Bench . Just a side note to those who snipe at the transfers that have come here ... Figueroa , Heron will be huge upgrades over Owens and Yakwe . Losing Players because better players are coming in , is part of the game in College B.B. . It shouldn’t be a criticism of Mullin in losing either Owens or Yakwe at this point .. But, still expect the endless chatter to bemoan the loss of these 2 . It’s not a valid point any longer .[/quote]

Not to mention that if Lovett doesn't leave, not likely that Heron comes here.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=293539][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293534]Presumably Figueroa gets bumped from the Starting 5 if Heron is eligible . Essentially the Starters would be Ponds, Simon, Clarke , Keita and Heron , if he is eligible . Leaving Figueroa , Dixon, Trimble and the freshman coming in off the Bench . Just a side note to those who snipe at the transfers that have come here ... Figueroa , Heron will be huge upgrades over Owens and Yakwe . Losing Players because better players are coming in , is part of the game in College B.B. . It shouldn’t be a criticism of Mullin in losing either Owens or Yakwe at this point .. But, still expect the endless chatter to bemoan the loss of these 2 . It’s not a valid point any longer .[/quote]

Not to mention that if Lovett doesn't leave, not likely that Heron cmomes here.[/quote]

I think IF LoVett had player all last season, he would have left to be a pro somewhere/anywhere, maybe not on the Moon, but somewhere.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=293536][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293534]Presumably Figueroa gets bumped from the Starting 5 if Heron is eligible . Essentially the Starters would be Ponds, Simon, Clarke , Keita and Heron , if he is eligible . Leaving Figueroa , Dixon, Trimble and the freshman coming in off the Bench . Just a side note to those who snipe at the transfers that have come here ... Figueroa , Heron will be huge upgrades over Owens and Yakwe . Losing Players because better players are coming in , is part of the game in College B.B. . It shouldn’t be a criticism of Mullin in losing either Owens or Yakwe at this point .. But, still expect the endless chatter to bemoan the loss of these 2 . It’s not a valid point any longer .[/quote]

Again a strawman. LJ Figueroa was a JUCO transfer, that is not the same as a traditional transfer since he does not have to sit out a year. Heron is a special case because he may gain eligibility, but that is not a traditional transfer either.

And no one is complaining about either since both really saved what was CLEARLY an underwhelming recruiting class. This is when the staff should be scoring in recruiting.

Lastly the biggest complaint is the fact that Yakwe regressed so badly under this staff. Yes he was not that good when he left but that is the point so much more was expected of him. He was the MVP at Peach Jam and arguably along with Ponds the most celebrated recruit of this current staff.

I can see why you like to argue with yourself. It is very easy to invent your own arguments and then proceed to carefully present counter arguments.[/quote]

I used to watch practices where Mullin and St. Jean would teach Yakwe how to fumble the ball when passed to him. They kept yelling "Manos de Piedra! Manos de Piedra". Yakwe was slow to catch on. At first he would say quizzically, "Roberto Duran?" until he finally caught on and could drop passes with ease. Then they worked on shooting bricks from 10 feet and in, missing layups, the works. finally they taught him how to lunge at desperation 3 point shooters to make sure he fouled them and making sure they still got off clean shots.

They yelled at him "Don't steal the ball!!! Stealing is bad" And his steals dropped from 17 as a frosh to 5 last season.

I don't know why they taught him that stuff. I mean he already knew how to clank foul shots. Wasn't that good enough for them? No they messed him up there to, and instead of getting FT % into the 40's, raised it to 71% as a junior.

Their chief complaint was that he spent too much time studying and not enough time cutting class.

Bottom line. Yakwe stunk it up for the last 2 seasons and didn't deserve to be on the court.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293536][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=293534]Presumably Figueroa gets bumped from the Starting 5 if Heron is eligible . Essentially the Starters would be Ponds, Simon, Clarke , Keita and Heron , if he is eligible . Leaving Figueroa , Dixon, Trimble and the freshman coming in off the Bench . Just a side note to those who snipe at the transfers that have come here ... Figueroa , Heron will be huge upgrades over Owens and Yakwe . Losing Players because better players are coming in , is part of the game in College B.B. . It shouldn’t be a criticism of Mullin in losing either Owens or Yakwe at this point .. But, still expect the endless chatter to bemoan the loss of these 2 . It’s not a valid point any longer .[/quote]

I can see why you like to argue with yourself. It is very easy to invent your own arguments and then proceed to carefully present counter arguments.[/quote]

That's him all the way. The master of fallacies and absurdity (ducks are never in a row.... it's just rambling).
 
I don’t know how people can bring up Yawke regression but always avoid Shamorie’s ascension. You guys do remember Shamorie was projected to go to Europe and had only 4 college offers (Arizona is five but they were really late) but is now projected by ESPN, Sportsnation, bleacher Report and Sports illustrated as a first round pick. By all accounts Shamorie is about to go from living in the projects to being a young college educated millionaire.

If you blame Yawke regression on the staff, Shouldn’t the Staff get credit for this
 
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FWIW, Tre Mann verbally committed to FL. Wonder if that 'helps' us with Jalen Gaffney?
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=293553]We are in DeShawn Davis' Top 3 with The Hall and Old Dominion.[/quote]

Hi Windy City. I find a DaShawn Davis, a 2019 2*, with Hofstra & Manhattan on his list. Your guy a different dude?
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=293558]FWIW, Tre Mann verbally committed to FL. Wonder if that 'helps' us with Jalen Gaffney?[/quote]
No, Xavier is main competition
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=293559][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=293553]We are in DeShawn Davis' Top 3 with The Hall and Old Dominion.[/quote]

Hi Windy City. I find a DaShawn Davis, a 2019 2*, with Hofstra & Manhattan on his list. Your guy a different dude?[/quote]

See twitter post below from some guy named Deandre Mitchell who claims to work for Rivals. Note I am "embedding" this tweet and likely to botch that.

Our Saviour Lutheran (NY) PG DaShawn Davis ‘19 announced his top three as Seton Hall, Old Dominion & St. John’s https://twitter.com/dashawndavis23?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]@dashawndavis23[/url]— DeAnte' Mitchell (@MitchellDeAnte) https://twitter.com/MitchellDeAnte/status/1034547466455146501?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]August 28, 2018[/url]
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=293557]I don’t know how people can bring up Yawke regression but always avoid Shamorie’s ascension. You guys do remember Shamorie was projected to go to Europe and had only 4 college offers (Arizona is five but they were really late) but is now projected by ESPN, Sportsnation, bleacher Report and Sports illustrated as a first round pick. By all accounts Shamorie is about to go from living in the projects to being a young college educated millionaire.

If you blame Yawke regression on the staff, Shouldn’t the Staff get credit for this[/quote]

I guess it depends on the nature of the blame. If someone thinks the regression occurred because the staff has been 2,800 miles away and not around to work with Yakwe, then they certainly weren't around to help Ponds.

That said, Ponds probably could pick up tips that Hall of Fame guards could provide because he had the skills to do so. Yakwe . . . not so much. I don't know what happens at practice, but Yakwe probably needed a ton of individualized help. If he didn't get it, that's probably a failure. But maybe he got it and just never got better. I used to be able to jump really high for a 5'10 white dude, but my skills plateaued by age 16. Maybe Yakwe plateaued at 18.
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=293561][quote="Chicago Days" post=293559][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=293553]We are in DeShawn Davis' Top 3 with The Hall and Old Dominion.[/quote]

Hi Windy City. I find a DaShawn Davis, a 2019 2*, with Hofstra & Manhattan on his list. Your guy a different dude?[/quote]

See twitter post below from some guy named Deandre Mitchell who claims to work for Rivals. Note I am "embedding" this tweet and likely to botch that.

Our Saviour Lutheran (NY) PG DaShawn Davis ‘19 announced his top three as Seton Hall, Old Dominion & St. John’s https://twitter.com/dashawndavis23?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]@dashawndavis23[/url]— DeAnte' Mitchell (@MitchellDeAnte) https://twitter.com/MitchellDeAnte/status/1034547466455146501?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]August 28, 2018[/url]
[/quote]

The kid's hard to get 'buzz' on. Verbal Commits lists him as a 2*; 247 doesn't rank him. His 'game' seems to have ramped up recently, but haven't found St. John's on his 'expanded' list. See OD, ST. Louis, VCU, then a bunch of mid-majors.
We shall see.
 
Several posters over the summer had first hand knowledge of how often and how much attention Yakwe got in practice from the staff . Hardly was he short changed according to those who had first hand knowledge . Conversely it also seems the Ponds Family is pleased with Shamorie’s becoming the Elite player he is and the Coaching he has gotten from this Staff . They also seemed to value Mullin’s advice and counsel as they and Shamorie tested the NBA waters this summer.
 
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