a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

[quote="Room112" post=293484][quote="fordham96" post=293448][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293447][quote="fordham96" post=293440][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293436][quote="we are sju" post=293433][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293431][quote="fordham96" post=293429]Let's be clear I am not opposed to using transfers. They can be effective. But I don't think it should be the primary recruiting tool. It has become that way because the staff has not been able to successfully land many of its top targets. And that is a fact that cannot be overlooked.

And there is NO ONE HERE who could have predicted that when Mullin was hired on 4/1/15. Meaning when he put the staff together there is NO ONE on this board who was saying, "Guys recruiting this area is tough. Getting top kids is tough. Lavin proved it was tough. So let's keep our expectations at a minimum. In fact we can forget about landing just about any top 50 local recruit and simply concentrate on transfers and hope we get lucky. "

These types of things are being said AFTER THE FACT after numerous excuses have been exhausted. That is my larger point.[/quote]

So what would you do? What is your solution? Everyone had on rose colored glasses when Mullin was hired. He quickly put together a dream staff. But Slice didn't seem all that effective when he wasn't offering whatever was offered to convince stud after stud to go to Kentucky. You want to see St. John's compete with some of the big names, which is who we compete with for 4 and 5 star talent? Then please enlighten me how to get that done. Without the stipend, and while running a clean program.[/quote]

Mostly he wasn't offering Kentucky.
That is the one issue that some on here can't seem to fathom for some strange reason.[/quote]

But for some reason people think Rice could sell what Slice, who was considered one of the country's top recruiters, couldn't.[/quote]

Another straw man argument.

Mitch Richmond is currently a lead assistant. He does nothing in the way of recruiting. Literally NOTHING.

That has little to do with simply replacing Slice, a competent recruiter would help. You are replacing Mitch Richmond NOT Barry Rohrssen.[/quote]

Right now, we are still supposed to be in the running for Cockburn, Gaffney, Achiuwa, and some other 4 and 5 star recruits. The others on the short list are all bluebloods. If you think a competent recruiter is what will put us over the top, then you and I disagree. I will agree that if Mitch is not doing the things that other assistants do at the programs we are really competing with for recruits, then changes should be made.[/quote]

We are not really in the running. We are fading on most of those kids. That is fact.

Gaffney is a little different, but he is also NOT a top 30 kid.

And you have no idea what would work. You are guessing so you don't have to admit serious mistakes have been made.[/quote]

We are fading on these kids, yet we've been on them forever, and most praised the work the staff did over the Summer being at all of the events to see them. Weren't they everywhere? Could it be perhaps there are other factors involved which prevent us from being a top destination for these kids?[/quote] Definitely could be unless someone ends up at Uconn :)
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=293478][quote="Class of 72" post=293476][quote="fordham96" post=293472][quote="AlBovino" post=293468]I will support Chris Mullin for as long as he is coach. He will succeed this year and for many years to come. Book it![/quote]

I'm sure Chris wakes up every morning very happy for your support.[/quote]

Mully has a lot more on his mind right now than Al or the program. This year he needs all the support he can get. Hoping and praying it all works out for him.[/quote]

Have I been napping for 30 years or did people always call Mullin "Mully"? The only person I ever heard call him that was maybe Bill Raftery, who may have also called him Chrissy. Looie would call him Mo, but I don't remember anything else.[/quote]

Mo, Chrissy, Mullins, Mully. ..... his check say Mullin and he gets it directly deposited into his account.
As for your long distance communication comparison to private industry ........ poppycock! Coaching young men is a hands on, face-to-face responsibility. Chris is not employed in an insurance office. He and Richmond have not been around for the summer sessions his players were registered for and they relied on outside trainers rather than staff. Have I been sleeping for the past 50 years but when did the St. John's coaching job become a part time long distance commute job?? Do folks remember when Lavin's dad passed and he took 7 days off? The criticism here was very disrespectful.
This particular summer the entire staff took very extended time off. That was a rare exception for previous staff. There were always summer camps, summer informal workouts, academics, etc. to attend to.
But the bottom line is that we are not talking only the few weeks of summer but many weeks since April that long distance communication has been the norm rather than the exception.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293485][quote="Room112" post=293484][quote="fordham96" post=293448][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293447][quote="fordham96" post=293440][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293436][quote="we are sju" post=293433][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293431][quote="fordham96" post=293429]Let's be clear I am not opposed to using transfers. They can be effective. But I don't think it should be the primary recruiting tool. It has become that way because the staff has not been able to successfully land many of its top targets. And that is a fact that cannot be overlooked.

And there is NO ONE HERE who could have predicted that when Mullin was hired on 4/1/15. Meaning when he put the staff together there is NO ONE on this board who was saying, "Guys recruiting this area is tough. Getting top kids is tough. Lavin proved it was tough. So let's keep our expectations at a minimum. In fact we can forget about landing just about any top 50 local recruit and simply concentrate on transfers and hope we get lucky. "

These types of things are being said AFTER THE FACT after numerous excuses have been exhausted. That is my larger point.[/quote]

So what would you do? What is your solution? Everyone had on rose colored glasses when Mullin was hired. He quickly put together a dream staff. But Slice didn't seem all that effective when he wasn't offering whatever was offered to convince stud after stud to go to Kentucky. You want to see St. John's compete with some of the big names, which is who we compete with for 4 and 5 star talent? Then please enlighten me how to get that done. Without the stipend, and while running a clean program.[/quote]

Mostly he wasn't offering Kentucky.
That is the one issue that some on here can't seem to fathom for some strange reason.[/quote]

But for some reason people think Rice could sell what Slice, who was considered one of the country's top recruiters, couldn't.[/quote]

Another straw man argument.

Mitch Richmond is currently a lead assistant. He does nothing in the way of recruiting. Literally NOTHING.

That has little to do with simply replacing Slice, a competent recruiter would help. You are replacing Mitch Richmond NOT Barry Rohrssen.[/quote]

Right now, we are still supposed to be in the running for Cockburn, Gaffney, Achiuwa, and some other 4 and 5 star recruits. The others on the short list are all bluebloods. If you think a competent recruiter is what will put us over the top, then you and I disagree. I will agree that if Mitch is not doing the things that other assistants do at the programs we are really competing with for recruits, then changes should be made.[/quote]

We are not really in the running. We are fading on most of those kids. That is fact.

Gaffney is a little different, but he is also NOT a top 30 kid.

And you have no idea what would work. You are guessing so you don't have to admit serious mistakes have been made.[/quote]

We are fading on these kids, yet we've been on them forever, and most praised the work the staff did over the Summer being at all of the events to see them. Weren't they everywhere? Could it be perhaps there are other factors involved which prevent us from being a top destination for these kids?[/quote] Definitely could be unless someone ends up at Uconn :)[/quote]
Like Precious perhaps
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293487][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293485][quote="Room112" post=293484][quote="fordham96" post=293448][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293447][quote="fordham96" post=293440][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293436][quote="we are sju" post=293433][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293431][quote="fordham96" post=293429]Let's be clear I am not opposed to using transfers. They can be effective. But I don't think it should be the primary recruiting tool. It has become that way because the staff has not been able to successfully land many of its top targets. And that is a fact that cannot be overlooked.

And there is NO ONE HERE who could have predicted that when Mullin was hired on 4/1/15. Meaning when he put the staff together there is NO ONE on this board who was saying, "Guys recruiting this area is tough. Getting top kids is tough. Lavin proved it was tough. So let's keep our expectations at a minimum. In fact we can forget about landing just about any top 50 local recruit and simply concentrate on transfers and hope we get lucky. "

These types of things are being said AFTER THE FACT after numerous excuses have been exhausted. That is my larger point.[/quote]

So what would you do? What is your solution? Everyone had on rose colored glasses when Mullin was hired. He quickly put together a dream staff. But Slice didn't seem all that effective when he wasn't offering whatever was offered to convince stud after stud to go to Kentucky. You want to see St. John's compete with some of the big names, which is who we compete with for 4 and 5 star talent? Then please enlighten me how to get that done. Without the stipend, and while running a clean program.[/quote]

Mostly he wasn't offering Kentucky.
That is the one issue that some on here can't seem to fathom for some strange reason.[/quote]

But for some reason people think Rice could sell what Slice, who was considered one of the country's top recruiters, couldn't.[/quote]

Another straw man argument.

Mitch Richmond is currently a lead assistant. He does nothing in the way of recruiting. Literally NOTHING.

That has little to do with simply replacing Slice, a competent recruiter would help. You are replacing Mitch Richmond NOT Barry Rohrssen.[/quote]

Right now, we are still supposed to be in the running for Cockburn, Gaffney, Achiuwa, and some other 4 and 5 star recruits. The others on the short list are all bluebloods. If you think a competent recruiter is what will put us over the top, then you and I disagree. I will agree that if Mitch is not doing the things that other assistants do at the programs we are really competing with for recruits, then changes should be made.[/quote]

We are not really in the running. We are fading on most of those kids. That is fact.

Gaffney is a little different, but he is also NOT a top 30 kid.

And you have no idea what would work. You are guessing so you don't have to admit serious mistakes have been made.[/quote]

We are fading on these kids, yet we've been on them forever, and most praised the work the staff did over the Summer being at all of the events to see them. Weren't they everywhere? Could it be perhaps there are other factors involved which prevent us from being a top destination for these kids?[/quote] Definitely could be unless someone ends up at Uconn :)[/quote]
Like Precious perhaps[/quote] [attachment=364]97904395-you-read-my-mind-thought-cloud-words-3d-illustration.jpg[/attachment]
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293483][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=293480][quote="Class of 72" post=293476][quote="fordham96" post=293472][quote="AlBovino" post=293468]I will support Chris Mullin for as long as he is coach. He will succeed this year and for many years to come. Book it![/quote]

I'm sure Chris wakes up every morning very happy for your support.[/quote]

Mully has a lot more on his mind right now than Al or the program. This year he needs all the support he can get. Hoping and praying it all works out for him.[/quote]I have no idea what problems Mullin has.[/quote] Neither do I and unless it's something that is basketball related it's not my business or any of ours on the board ( not accusing you Richard ).

It wasn't right when people speculated about Lavin off the court and it's not right with Mullin either[/quote]

Lav's "personal problems" were not speculation. They were fact. He was diagnosed and operated on for cancer. His father dying was not speculation either. What was speculated was the extent of his absences and the effect those absences had on the program and whether he still had a fire in his belly after those issues. Ironically his winning and post season record were not real issues as history now shows us once we take off our biased rose colored glasses.
So, sometimes personal issues have a direct effect on one's work performance and while some may know what those problems are with Mullin and Mitch, the effect of those issues may have significant effects on their job performance.
We lost our two last athletic directors because of "personal" issues. Hopefully everything comes together for all parties involved.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=293478]Have I been napping for 30 years or did people always call Mullin "Mully"? The only person I ever heard call him that was maybe Bill Raftery, who may have also called him Chrissy. Looie would call him Mo, but I don't remember anything else.[/quote]

I've noticed sportscasters in NorCal call him Mully.
 
Maybe it's a Cali thing...

When I was at the Thanksgiving day tourney in FL last season, GSJ's dad struck up a conversation with my daughter and I when in the hotel atrium. He referred to him as "Mully" like for or five times. First time, I did a doubletake as I wasn't sure who he was referring to until he completed what he was saying in context.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=293491]Maybe it's a Cali thing...

When I was at the Thanksgiving day tourney in FL last season, GSJ's dad struck up a conversation with my daughter and I when in the hotel atrium. He referred to him as "Mully" like for or five times. First time, I did a doubletake as I wasn't sure who he was referring to until he completed what he was saying in context.[/quote]

Don Nelson calls him Mully too so it probably means it's been a Cali thing for 33 or so years.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=293491]Maybe it's a Cali thing...

When I was at the Thanksgiving day tourney in FL last season, GSJ's dad struck up a conversation with my daughter and I when in the hotel atrium. He referred to him as "Mully" like for or five times. First time, I did a doubletake as I wasn't sure who he was referring to until he completed what he was saying in context.[/quote]

I thought Beast was being sarcastic. Most Mullin fans know he has been referred to as Mully since he began playing in the NBA. My sarcastic retort was that neither Richmond or Mullin would be absent as much if they had to personally pick up their check on campus instead of the convenience of direct deposit into their California banking accounts.:cheer:
 
[quote="jcoggs" post=293493]On a serious note, Who is the best person to contact if you want good tickets to the Duke game.[/quote]

Beast answered that in your thread in Player's Lounge

http://redmen.com/forum/39-classifieds/273115-duke-tickets.html#293396

Would think this will be a hot ticket. Haven't tried to call the office thinking it's going to be very limited to select donors, family/friends etc. Would love to go, since it's only a few hour drive, but can't justify the prices I'm seeing on Stubhub
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293485][quote="Room112" post=293484][quote="fordham96" post=293448][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293447][quote="fordham96" post=293440][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293436][quote="we are sju" post=293433][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293431][quote="fordham96" post=293429]Let's be clear I am not opposed to using transfers. They can be effective. But I don't think it should be the primary recruiting tool. It has become that way because the staff has not been able to successfully land many of its top targets. And that is a fact that cannot be overlooked.

And there is NO ONE HERE who could have predicted that when Mullin was hired on 4/1/15. Meaning when he put the staff together there is NO ONE on this board who was saying, "Guys recruiting this area is tough. Getting top kids is tough. Lavin proved it was tough. So let's keep our expectations at a minimum. In fact we can forget about landing just about any top 50 local recruit and simply concentrate on transfers and hope we get lucky. "

These types of things are being said AFTER THE FACT after numerous excuses have been exhausted. That is my larger point.[/quote]

So what would you do? What is your solution? Everyone had on rose colored glasses when Mullin was hired. He quickly put together a dream staff. But Slice didn't seem all that effective when he wasn't offering whatever was offered to convince stud after stud to go to Kentucky. You want to see St. John's compete with some of the big names, which is who we compete with for 4 and 5 star talent? Then please enlighten me how to get that done. Without the stipend, and while running a clean program.[/quote]

Mostly he wasn't offering Kentucky.
That is the one issue that some on here can't seem to fathom for some strange reason.[/quote]

But for some reason people think Rice could sell what Slice, who was considered one of the country's top recruiters, couldn't.[/quote]

Another straw man argument.

Mitch Richmond is currently a lead assistant. He does nothing in the way of recruiting. Literally NOTHING.

That has little to do with simply replacing Slice, a competent recruiter would help. You are replacing Mitch Richmond NOT Barry Rohrssen.[/quote]

Right now, we are still supposed to be in the running for Cockburn, Gaffney, Achiuwa, and some other 4 and 5 star recruits. The others on the short list are all bluebloods. If you think a competent recruiter is what will put us over the top, then you and I disagree. I will agree that if Mitch is not doing the things that other assistants do at the programs we are really competing with for recruits, then changes should be made.[/quote]

We are not really in the running. We are fading on most of those kids. That is fact.

Gaffney is a little different, but he is also NOT a top 30 kid.

And you have no idea what would work. You are guessing so you don't have to admit serious mistakes have been made.[/quote]

We are fading on these kids, yet we've been on them forever, and most praised the work the staff did over the Summer being at all of the events to see them. Weren't they everywhere? Could it be perhaps there are other factors involved which prevent us from being a top destination for these kids?[/quote] Definitely could be unless someone ends up at Uconn :)[/quote]

Imagine what my life would have ended up like if I had just switched my allegiance to UConn once I started going to school there like a normal person. But what fun would that be!!
 
[quote="Room112" post=293496][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293485][quote="Room112" post=293484][quote="fordham96" post=293448][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293447][quote="fordham96" post=293440][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293436][quote="we are sju" post=293433][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293431][quote="fordham96" post=293429]Let's be clear I am not opposed to using transfers. They can be effective. But I don't think it should be the primary recruiting tool. It has become that way because the staff has not been able to successfully land many of its top targets. And that is a fact that cannot be overlooked.

And there is NO ONE HERE who could have predicted that when Mullin was hired on 4/1/15. Meaning when he put the staff together there is NO ONE on this board who was saying, "Guys recruiting this area is tough. Getting top kids is tough. Lavin proved it was tough. So let's keep our expectations at a minimum. In fact we can forget about landing just about any top 50 local recruit and simply concentrate on transfers and hope we get lucky. "

These types of things are being said AFTER THE FACT after numerous excuses have been exhausted. That is my larger point.[/quote]

So what would you do? What is your solution? Everyone had on rose colored glasses when Mullin was hired. He quickly put together a dream staff. But Slice didn't seem all that effective when he wasn't offering whatever was offered to convince stud after stud to go to Kentucky. You want to see St. John's compete with some of the big names, which is who we compete with for 4 and 5 star talent? Then please enlighten me how to get that done. Without the stipend, and while running a clean program.[/quote]

Mostly he wasn't offering Kentucky.
That is the one issue that some on here can't seem to fathom for some strange reason.[/quote]

But for some reason people think Rice could sell what Slice, who was considered one of the country's top recruiters, couldn't.[/quote]

Another straw man argument.

Mitch Richmond is currently a lead assistant. He does nothing in the way of recruiting. Literally NOTHING.

That has little to do with simply replacing Slice, a competent recruiter would help. You are replacing Mitch Richmond NOT Barry Rohrssen.[/quote]

Right now, we are still supposed to be in the running for Cockburn, Gaffney, Achiuwa, and some other 4 and 5 star recruits. The others on the short list are all bluebloods. If you think a competent recruiter is what will put us over the top, then you and I disagree. I will agree that if Mitch is not doing the things that other assistants do at the programs we are really competing with for recruits, then changes should be made.[/quote]

We are not really in the running. We are fading on most of those kids. That is fact.

Gaffney is a little different, but he is also NOT a top 30 kid.

And you have no idea what would work. You are guessing so you don't have to admit serious mistakes have been made.[/quote]

We are fading on these kids, yet we've been on them forever, and most praised the work the staff did over the Summer being at all of the events to see them. Weren't they everywhere? Could it be perhaps there are other factors involved which prevent us from being a top destination for these kids?[/quote] Definitely could be unless someone ends up at Uconn :)[/quote]

Imagine what my life would have ended up like if I had just switched my allegiance to UConn once I started going to school there like a normal person. But what fun would that be!![/quote] I'm still in shock over your post the other day that you were there in 2001 or something like that

Between you and Matt C I feel way too old. When Jack Williams turns 21 it's going to be like the apocalypse for me :)
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=293486][quote="Beast of the East" post=293478][quote="Class of 72" post=293476][quote="fordham96" post=293472][quote="AlBovino" post=293468]I will support Chris Mullin for as long as he is coach. He will succeed this year and for many years to come. Book it![/quote]

I'm sure Chris wakes up every morning very happy for your support.[/quote]

Mully has a lot more on his mind right now than Al or the program. This year he needs all the support he can get. Hoping and praying it all works out for him.[/quote]

Have I been napping for 30 years or did people always call Mullin "Mully"? The only person I ever heard call him that was maybe Bill Raftery, who may have also called him Chrissy. Looie would call him Mo, but I don't remember anything else.[/quote]

Mo, Chrissy, Mullins, Mully. ..... his check say Mullin and he gets it directly deposited into his account.
As for your long distance communication comparison to private industry ........ poppycock! Coaching young men is a hands on, face-to-face responsibility. Chris is not employed in an insurance office. He and Richmond have not been around for the summer sessions his players were registered for and they relied on outside trainers rather than staff. Have I been sleeping for the past 50 years but when did the St. John's coaching job become a part time long distance commute job?? Do folks remember when Lavin's dad passed and he took 7 days off? The criticism here was very disrespectful.
This particular summer the entire staff took very extended time off. That was a rare exception for previous staff. There were always summer camps, summer informal workouts, academics, etc. to attend to.
But the bottom line is that we are not talking only the few weeks of summer but many weeks since April that long distance communication has been the norm rather than the exception.[/quote]
Have to agree. Telecommuting works in traditional business. But coaching/recruiting, like sales, is a contact sport. Personally, I have more of an issue with fact that MR is not fully engaged and present as an AC. There are plenty of HCs that act like CEOs and come in for the close. But, you can’t have a CEO and an Assistant CEO.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293488][quote="Paultzman" post=293487][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293485][quote="Room112" post=293484][quote="fordham96" post=293448][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293447][quote="fordham96" post=293440][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293436][quote="we are sju" post=293433][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293431][quote="fordham96" post=293429]Let's be clear I am not opposed to using transfers. They can be effective. But I don't think it should be the primary recruiting tool. It has become that way because the staff has not been able to successfully land many of its top targets. And that is a fact that cannot be overlooked.

And there is NO ONE HERE who could have predicted that when Mullin was hired on 4/1/15. Meaning when he put the staff together there is NO ONE on this board who was saying, "Guys recruiting this area is tough. Getting top kids is tough. Lavin proved it was tough. So let's keep our expectations at a minimum. In fact we can forget about landing just about any top 50 local recruit and simply concentrate on transfers and hope we get lucky. "

These types of things are being said AFTER THE FACT after numerous excuses have been exhausted. That is my larger point.[/quote]

So what would you do? What is your solution? Everyone had on rose colored glasses when Mullin was hired. He quickly put together a dream staff. But Slice didn't seem all that effective when he wasn't offering whatever was offered to convince stud after stud to go to Kentucky. You want to see St. John's compete with some of the big names, which is who we compete with for 4 and 5 star talent? Then please enlighten me how to get that done. Without the stipend, and while running a clean program.[/quote]

Mostly he wasn't offering Kentucky.
That is the one issue that some on here can't seem to fathom for some strange reason.[/quote]

But for some reason people think Rice could sell what Slice, who was considered one of the country's top recruiters, couldn't.[/quote]

Another straw man argument.

Mitch Richmond is currently a lead assistant. He does nothing in the way of recruiting. Literally NOTHING.

That has little to do with simply replacing Slice, a competent recruiter would help. You are replacing Mitch Richmond NOT Barry Rohrssen.[/quote]

Right now, we are still supposed to be in the running for Cockburn, Gaffney, Achiuwa, and some other 4 and 5 star recruits. The others on the short list are all bluebloods. If you think a competent recruiter is what will put us over the top, then you and I disagree. I will agree that if Mitch is not doing the things that other assistants do at the programs we are really competing with for recruits, then changes should be made.[/quote]

We are not really in the running. We are fading on most of those kids. That is fact.

Gaffney is a little different, but he is also NOT a top 30 kid.

And you have no idea what would work. You are guessing so you don't have to admit serious mistakes have been made.[/quote]

We are fading on these kids, yet we've been on them forever, and most praised the work the staff did over the Summer being at all of the events to see them. Weren't they everywhere? Could it be perhaps there are other factors involved which prevent us from being a top destination for these kids?[/quote] Definitely could be unless someone ends up at Uconn :)[/quote]
Like Precious perhaps[/quote] [attachment=364]97904395-you-read-my-mind-thought-cloud-words-3d-illustration.jpg[/attachment][/quote]
That would be a killer. While they have had great success wrt national championships, they’ve lost all aura since Calhoun left. And, Hurley while a high energy guy that may have a great future has had sporadic success in lesser leagues and has no track record of developing NBA talent. In fairness, neither does our staff. But, nonetheless, we shouldn’t be at a disadvantage vs, UCONN with the clear BE advantage.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293497][quote="Room112" post=293496][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293485][quote="Room112" post=293484][quote="fordham96" post=293448][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293447][quote="fordham96" post=293440][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293436][quote="we are sju" post=293433][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293431][quote="fordham96" post=293429]Let's be clear I am not opposed to using transfers. They can be effective. But I don't think it should be the primary recruiting tool. It has become that way because the staff has not been able to successfully land many of its top targets. And that is a fact that cannot be overlooked.

And there is NO ONE HERE who could have predicted that when Mullin was hired on 4/1/15. Meaning when he put the staff together there is NO ONE on this board who was saying, "Guys recruiting this area is tough. Getting top kids is tough. Lavin proved it was tough. So let's keep our expectations at a minimum. In fact we can forget about landing just about any top 50 local recruit and simply concentrate on transfers and hope we get lucky. "

These types of things are being said AFTER THE FACT after numerous excuses have been exhausted. That is my larger point.[/quote]

So what would you do? What is your solution? Everyone had on rose colored glasses when Mullin was hired. He quickly put together a dream staff. But Slice didn't seem all that effective when he wasn't offering whatever was offered to convince stud after stud to go to Kentucky. You want to see St. John's compete with some of the big names, which is who we compete with for 4 and 5 star talent? Then please enlighten me how to get that done. Without the stipend, and while running a clean program.[/quote]

Mostly he wasn't offering Kentucky.
That is the one issue that some on here can't seem to fathom for some strange reason.[/quote]

But for some reason people think Rice could sell what Slice, who was considered one of the country's top recruiters, couldn't.[/quote]

Another straw man argument.

Mitch Richmond is currently a lead assistant. He does nothing in the way of recruiting. Literally NOTHING.

That has little to do with simply replacing Slice, a competent recruiter would help. You are replacing Mitch Richmond NOT Barry Rohrssen.[/quote]

Right now, we are still supposed to be in the running for Cockburn, Gaffney, Achiuwa, and some other 4 and 5 star recruits. The others on the short list are all bluebloods. If you think a competent recruiter is what will put us over the top, then you and I disagree. I will agree that if Mitch is not doing the things that other assistants do at the programs we are really competing with for recruits, then changes should be made.[/quote]

We are not really in the running. We are fading on most of those kids. That is fact.

Gaffney is a little different, but he is also NOT a top 30 kid.

And you have no idea what would work. You are guessing so you don't have to admit serious mistakes have been made.[/quote]

We are fading on these kids, yet we've been on them forever, and most praised the work the staff did over the Summer being at all of the events to see them. Weren't they everywhere? Could it be perhaps there are other factors involved which prevent us from being a top destination for these kids?[/quote] Definitely could be unless someone ends up at Uconn :)[/quote]

Imagine what my life would have ended up like if I had just switched my allegiance to UConn once I started going to school there like a normal person. But what fun would that be!![/quote] I'm still in shock over your post the other day that you were there in 2001 or something like that

Between you and Matt C I feel way too old. When Jack Williams turns 21 it's going to be like the apocalypse for me :)[/quote]

Ha! I was there 2001-2005. I believe I first discovered Redmen.com while sitting in one of my classes on a laptop, during when the whole Pittsburgh scandal was going down, trying to find more info. That was 14 years ago and I'm 35 now!
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=293458][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293451][quote="Mike Zaun" post=293446]Bottom line, those who want everyone to sing kumbaya with awful results and apparently minimal coaching effort (MR) better get used to frustrated fans who are fed up. It will never change unless there is success. This is what happens and it's completely logical. By the way, I doubt it's true about administration and not Mullin not allowing the Rice hire. It's already been established that Mullin is a monarch at our school and could probably give Bobby an atomic wedgie and get away with it. So if it's what Mullin wants, I can't see admin saying no to him.[/quote]

This is a sophisticated message board. We do not use terms like "atomic wedgie". More appropriate would be "a piledriver", or perhaps a tombstone pile driver" for emphasis. I will even accept DDT, RKO, or sweet chin music.[/quote] totally agree. Ban any further mention of atomic wedgies. Mullin is clearly old school and would use a Bob Backlund “ crossface chicken wing “[/quote]

The crossface chicken wing received an honorable mention in an article listing the top ten WWE submissions. I always enjoyed the sleeper hold, which appears to be the hold that many posters believe was the one that incapacitated Richmond, keeping him from performing the primary duties of an assistant coach.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=293501][quote="mjmaherjr" post=293458][quote="Ray Morgan" post=293451][quote="Mike Zaun" post=293446]Bottom line, those who want everyone to sing kumbaya with awful results and apparently minimal coaching effort (MR) better get used to frustrated fans who are fed up. It will never change unless there is success. This is what happens and it's completely logical. By the way, I doubt it's true about administration and not Mullin not allowing the Rice hire. It's already been established that Mullin is a monarch at our school and could probably give Bobby an atomic wedgie and get away with it. So if it's what Mullin wants, I can't see admin saying no to him.[/quote]

This is a sophisticated message board. We do not use terms like "atomic wedgie". More appropriate would be "a piledriver", or perhaps a tombstone pile driver" for emphasis. I will even accept DDT, RKO, or sweet chin music.[/quote] totally agree. Ban any further mention of atomic wedgies. Mullin is clearly old school and would use a Bob Backlund “ crossface chicken wing “[/quote]

The crossface chicken wing received an honorable mention in an article listing the top ten WWE submissions. I always enjoyed the sleeper hold, which appears to be the hold that many posters believe was the one that incapacitated Richmond, keeping him from performing the primary duties of an assistant coach.[/quote] if we still had the karma button I'd be giving you a + a lot for cracking me up with the Richmond line :)
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=293491]Maybe it's a Cali thing...

When I was at the Thanksgiving day tourney in FL last season, GSJ's dad struck up a conversation with my daughter and I when in the hotel atrium. He referred to him as "Mully" like for or five times. First time, I did a doubletake as I wasn't sure who he was referring to until he completed what he was saying in context.[/quote]
Wait don't tell me, your nickname is Sherlock. ;) :)
 
Never thought I'd reach the point where I wouldn't regularly check redmen.com every hour or so (at the very least! -- and obviously I'm still doing it), but this thread has really run its course. Let's face it: it's turned into a real yawner. :(
 
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