a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

If we have a great year and make the NCAA tournament, all this negative stuff about MR and not hiring Rice will all go away. The truth of the matter is that we now have the most talented team that we have had in years. In fact, IMO, we would have made the NCAA tournament last year if LoVett had not been injured and played the entire season.

While I agree that our staff situation is flawed, all of my energy is on being positive, supporting our team and program and hoping that we play to our potential by making the NCAA tournament. It should be a fun year. Let's embrace it and enjoy it!!
 
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[quote="MarkRedman" post=293404]If we have a great year and make the NCAA tournament, all this negative stuff about MR and not hiring Rice will all go away. The truth of the matter is that we now have the most talented team that we have had in years. In fact, IMO, we would have made the NCAA tournament last year if LoVett had not been injured and played the entire season.

While I agree that our staff situation is flawed, all of my energy is on being positive, supporting our team and program and hoping that we play to our potential by making the NCAA tournament. It should be a fun year. Let's embrace it and enjoy it!![/quote]

Not so sure the negativity would stop with a good season. We went to the NCAA tournament Lavin's last year, and there was still a lot of negativity within the fan base, most of it turning out to be justified.

A better way to stem that tide would be to get a Lewis, a Gaffney, and/or an Achiewa to sign on the dotted line, and suit up for us next year.
 
[quote="jcoggs" post=293390]Let's root hard and often.[/quote]

This Coaching staff is hard to root for........
 
[quote="Delaware" post=293406][quote="jcoggs" post=293390]Let's root hard and often.[/quote]

This Coaching staff is hard to root for........[/quote]

Yeah imagine if the Yankees had hired Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle to manage them. How could Yankee fans have possibly rooted for them?

Or how about if Tom Seaver or Mike Piazza were managing the Mets? How could Met fans possibly root for them?

And just imagine the fan hatred if Bernard King, Patrick Ewing or Walt Frazier had coached the Knicks.

How long before Ranger fans ran Messier out of town?

This is a stupid fan base!
 
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Its about this year, next year, the following year, etc., etc.

Problem is, no one has any confidence that this staff has any plan beyond the current year at any given time, as evidenced by the spring-time commitments, and transfers, etc.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=293408]Its about this year, next year, the following year, etc., etc.

Problem is, no one has any confidence that this staff has any plan beyond the current year at any given time, as evidenced by the spring-time commitments, and transfers, etc.[/quote]

Here's the problem I have with this sentiment. There's a lot to say but I will try to be brief:

1) After the miserable start Mullin was handed, the roster is pretty damned impressive for his 4th season. Last season could have resulted in a bid if our second best player wasn't a quitter. Even Owens and his nutty dad thought he was way better than he is.

2) All of a sudden you guys are acknowledging that this season could be special but what about next year and the year after. It's a load of crap. Villanova lost 4 key players to the NBA, and their outlook for this season isn't great. They recruit at a different plane based on their success, but their fans know there is plenty of time to make 2019-2020 a formidable roster. It will be for us also.

3) Mullin in California or wherever he is. FIrst, off the campus is pretty dead in the summer. Second of all, there are so many remote workers without affecting their productivity. I'd bet anything that GSJ and MA and maybe even MR are in contact with CM many times during a week, and maybe even many times per day. 85% of my company is located outside of our main office, with no loss of productivity of remote workers. I know companies that have CEOs that work out of home offices in a different city than the company is located. It's as easy to send a message to someone in the next cubicle as it is on another continent. There matter isn't where our staff is working from this summer, it's IF they are working. IF they are working I take no issue. Damnit, it's not 1985 - the younger guys who are piping up about this should be ashamed. Older, retired guys may not be aware of the extent telecommuting exists, but it all works quite well at all levels..
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=293399]
.......... there are no commitments for 2019 .....[/quote]
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Apparently you missed the news regarding the transfer in to St. John’s by Eli Wright (high school ranked 65th by ESPN, 80th by 247 Sports and 92 by Rivals) and David Caraher who averaged 19 ppg at low major D1 as a Frosh.
 
Really tough to read this board and the negativity over and over again. I am glad some posters are starting to post again about the good of this upcoming season because its really ridiculous reading a lot of these posts. This is what happens when things don't go the way of the fans. Focus on the negative only. In the boards eye, the staff wasn't doing any recruiting earlier this year and poof we sign figeroa, a couple of sit out transfers and heron. So obviously the staff is doing a lot more than you all think. Would I have liked Mike Rice to come aboard? Sure would have especially with his AAU player connections. But maybe Rice was being unreasonable. Maybe Mullin spoke to some of his kids he coaches for and he got a bad vibe. I am not saying this is the case but obviously there is a reason why he is not coming aboard but you all think its just because mullin has no clue or is making a mistake. The real problem is the quietness from the university about these issues so this message board runs rampant with rumors.

We are in position to have a real nice season with heron or not so come on fellow fans, focus on that. Sure we haven't signed any 2019 players yet but lets be real, we will to go along with our sit out transfers. The staff is doing things without your knowledge as evidenced over and over.

A good 2018 season is going to go a long way, weaker schedule and all.

Agree this is an important year. Mullin needs to succeed with this group of players and the better depth we have, so the window of excuses is gonna close.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=293409][quote="Delaware" post=293408]Its about this year, next year, the following year, etc., etc.

Problem is, no one has any confidence that this staff has any plan beyond the current year at any given time, as evidenced by the spring-time commitments, and transfers, etc.[/quote]

Here's the problem I have with this sentiment. There's a lot to say but I will try to be brief:

1) After the miserable start Mullin was handed, the roster is pretty damned impressive for his 4th season. Last season could have resulted in a bid if our second best player wasn't a quitter. Even Owens and his nutty dad thought he was way better than he is.

2) All of a sudden you guys are acknowledging that this season could be special but what about next year and the year after. It's a load of crap. Villanova lost 4 key players to the NBA, and their outlook for this season isn't great. They recruit at a different plane based on their success, but their fans know there is plenty of time to make 2019-2020 a formidable roster. It will be for us also.

3) Mullin in California or wherever he is. FIrst, off the campus is pretty dead in the summer. Second of all, there are so many remote workers without affecting their productivity. I'd bet anything that GSJ and MA and maybe even MR are in contact with CM many times during a week, and maybe even many times per day. 85% of my company is located outside of our main office, with no loss of productivity of remote workers. I know companies that have CEOs that work out of home offices in a different city than the company is located. It's as easy to send a message to someone in the next cubicle as it is on another continent. There matter isn't where our staff is working from this summer, it's IF they are working. IF they are working I take no issue. Damnit, it's not 1985 - the younger guys who are piping up about this should be ashamed. Older, retired guys may not be aware of the extent telecommuting exists, but it all works quite well at all levels..[/quote]
You call Owen's dad nutty. He is anything but (ex Baltimore police officer). Owens didn't leave because of a lack of shots he left because of coaching staff promises that were never met. In a few months at Texas Tech Owens has put on more weight and muscle than he did in 3 years at SJU-that's what a legitimate strength and conditioning program will do for you along with meeting proper nutritional needs (unlike our players who complained off starving this summer while Mullin was who knows where). You compare adult employees to 18-19 year old kids who may need more support and supervision than an absentee coach can provide. Coaches today are held responsible for the behavior of their players and while we have been free from any recent scandal Im sure at least some of our players would prefer more direct contact with their head coach. Yes we have a nice roster and should have a good season but there is actually more to college coaching than W-L.records there is the mentoring of young men. You would think at 2 million per we would get more than a part time coach best player in school history or not.
 
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I think most posters to this forum would be happier if CM was more visible and ball the assist coaches were out pushing the program.
 
Not trying to bring up a hot take here but a lot of people here are referencing a lack of a plan for the program moving forward + insinuating most on the staff are not hard working other than Matt A and GSJ.

I’m not a staunch supporter of CM and really believe he needs a great season to get off the hot seat. But I can say fairly confidently he is the best coach we’ve had in the group of Jarvis, Norm + Lavin.

I met with a very highly recruited player coming out of HS in early 2000’s very recently. He was a top 50 player from the area and told me he and bunch of other highly touted guys wanted to play for us and that Jarvis barely recruited him.

Norm righted the ship in terms of cleaning up the program but started the trend of loading up on 1 recruiting class and not balancing the roster.

Lavin continued that trend of not balancing out recruiting classes + brought in some players with questionable character like Jordan + Obekpa.

CM has made some mistakes in his tenure for sure but to say there is no plan + coaching staff is a problem is blowing things out of proportion. He made the mistake of luring a big time assistant coach who was his friend and was snake bitten. I do see a plan for the future of the program to be better beyond this year. Hopefully it comes to fruition.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=293407][quote="Delaware" post=293406][quote="jcoggs" post=293390]Let's root hard and often.[/quote]

This Coaching staff is hard to root for........[/quote]

Yeah imagine if the Yankees had hired Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle to manage them. How could Yankee fans have possibly rooted for them?

Or how about if Tom Seaver or Mike Piazza were managing the Mets? How could Met fans possibly root for them?

And just imagine the fan hatred if Bernard King, Patrick Ewing or Walt Frazier had coached the Knicks.

How long before Ranger fans ran Messier out of town?

This is a stupid fan base![/quote]

Thanks W A Sju
Do we have a better team 2018-19 and is not this best team of the CM era?
Can we "tolerate" patience and process???
April 2015 was like starting a brand new Div 1 program from scratch.
Therefore.
Can we just enjoy the ride this far?
Seems like at least some of us intend to do just that.
Go Storm!!!
 
Matt has done well with transfers pretty much on his own. I don’t think bringing in transfers is a philosophy. Rather, it a plan B reaction to reality of where they stand with recruits. The program has been abysmal for a while & is not a destination for most solid kids. 2018 recruiting was less than stellar and 2019 looks challenging. Sooner or later they have to stop relying so much on transfers. In the short term it has helped, but imo it seems risky to perpetuate a wholesale approach.

I do believe Mullin has a strong roster this year and will have opportunity to prove himself. Looking forward to it.
 
Yep, we have the Hatfields and McCoys on this site :)
In re Chris M, the "accepting and the rejecting" (could make a movie title).
Of maybe I should more aptly say the Blue and the Gray lol
I'm serving the Union Army - and feel fortunate Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri stayed on our team.
The Union forever (Civil War lyrics) HOO RAH to all those who support the team whether or not the support carries over to the staff.
GO Storm!
General Sherman :)
 
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[quote="otis" post=293410][quote="fordham96" post=293399]
.......... there are no commitments for 2019 .....[/quote]
—————-
Apparently you missed the news regarding the transfer in to St. John’s by Eli Wright (high school ranked 65th by ESPN, 80th by 247 Sports and 92 by Rivals) and David Caraher who averaged 19 ppg at low major D1 as a Frosh.[/quote]

Apparently you don't understand how normal people operate. He is currently on the roster for 2018 and under scholarship and enrolled and practicing plus he is a transfer, none of which qualifies as a 2019 recruit.

Are you now saying that kids who qualify, practice, enroll and are on scholarship but decide to redshirt a year NOW count towards the following year's recruiting class? Uh no that is not how it works.

But I'm sure you will tell us 6 months from now that you knew this all along much like you enlightened us with the Mike Rice news.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=293409][quote="Delaware" post=293408]Its about this year, next year, the following year, etc., etc.

Problem is, no one has any confidence that this staff has any plan beyond the current year at any given time, as evidenced by the spring-time commitments, and transfers, etc.[/quote]

Here's the problem I have with this sentiment. There's a lot to say but I will try to be brief:

1) After the miserable start Mullin was handed, the roster is pretty damned impressive for his 4th season. Last season could have resulted in a bid if our second best player wasn't a quitter. Even Owens and his nutty dad thought he was way better than he is.

2) All of a sudden you guys are acknowledging that this season could be special but what about next year and the year after. It's a load of crap. Villanova lost 4 key players to the NBA, and their outlook for this season isn't great. They recruit at a different plane based on their success, but their fans know there is plenty of time to make 2019-2020 a formidable roster. It will be for us also.

3) Mullin in California or wherever he is. FIrst, off the campus is pretty dead in the summer. Second of all, there are so many remote workers without affecting their productivity. I'd bet anything that GSJ and MA and maybe even MR are in contact with CM many times during a week, and maybe even many times per day. 85% of my company is located outside of our main office, with no loss of productivity of remote workers. I know companies that have CEOs that work out of home offices in a different city than the company is located. It's as easy to send a message to someone in the next cubicle as it is on another continent. There matter isn't where our staff is working from this summer, it's IF they are working. IF they are working I take no issue. Damnit, it's not 1985 - the younger guys who are piping up about this should be ashamed. Older, retired guys may not be aware of the extent telecommuting exists, but it all works quite well at all levels..[/quote]

Couple of issues.

1)I am not suggesting the roster he inherited was HIS fault. But it is really not Lavin's fault. Lavin was fired which produced a number of issues with de-commitments. It is likely the roster would have been better if no coaching change had been made. But again that is water under the bridge. In retrospect I don't have a problem with the change. But for the record Lavin left him Brandon Sampson, it is not Lavin's fault that he de-committted after Lavin was fired. Not Mullin's fault either. Lastly I don't consider this roster some sort of incredible roster for a 4th year coach. It's pretty good, but it should have been better and more importantly it could have been better much earlier. That is entirely due to Coach. Way too much credit being given for a 4th year coach's roster, sorry I am not impressed.

2)Villanova's outlook this year is consensus top 10, clear favorite in the BE and on the short list of a load of top 25 recruits. Not sure what you mean. Go check it, Nova will be very good to great again. This after a 5 year run where tehy have been regular season champs 4 times, Tourney champs 3 times and a 1 seed or 2 seed in the NCAA's all 5 years. Not to mention 2 NC's.

3)Plenty happens in August. Schools are hosting visitors all month as the Dead Period in recruiting is lifted for the Quiet Period. No off campus recruiting but on campus visits happening. Both unofficial and official visits.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293416]Matt has done well with transfers pretty much on his own. I don’t think bringing in transfers is a philosophy. Rather, it a plan B reaction to reality of where they stand with recruits. The program has been abysmal for a while & is not a destination for most solid kids. 2018 recruiting was less than stellar and 2019 looks challenging. Sooner or later they have to stop relying so much on transfers. In the short term it has helped, but imo it seems risky to perpetuate a wholesale approach.

I do believe Mullin has a strong roster this year and will have opportunity to prove himself. Looking forward to it.[/quote]

I think for St. John's transfers were always at the core of our success in our heyday. Walter Berry and Mike Moses were transfer starters on our final four team. Reggie Carter, Bernard Rencher on those teams.. Searcy and others in that era. Bootsy, Grant, others on that team. Hardy, Brownlee, etc.

Without heavy reliance on transfers, we would not have had the great years we did. For most of them it was a matter of grass not being greener somewhere else. Some were guys we didn't recruit, didn't have a great shot at initially, or we finished 2nd or third. Still and all we've always relied on transfers and its good to get back to that.
 
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[quote="bamafan" post=293412]You call Owen's dad nutty. He is anything but (ex Baltimore police officer). .[/quote]

Yeah, the Baltimore police are a bunch of good eggs.

"In May 2018, Baltimore Police Commissioner Darryl De Sousa resigned over a federal investigation into his personal finances and other private and professional affairs. De Sousa stepped down after federal prosecutors charged him last week with failing to file federal tax returns

...

In April 2017, a federal judge ordered sweeping police reforms, known as a consent decree, after months of negotiations between the Baltimore Police Department and Justice Department. Federal investigators with the Justice Department found that police in Baltimore routinely violated the constitutional rights of local residents, particularly in predominantly poor, black neighborhoods; used excessive force; mistreated protesters, youths and people with mental disabilities; and dismissed sexual assault complaints improperly, among other failings.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-police-scandal-timeline-20180516-story.html
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=293420][quote="Paultzman" post=293416]Matt has done well with transfers pretty much on his own. I don’t think bringing in transfers is a philosophy. Rather, it a plan B reaction to reality of where they stand with recruits. The program has been abysmal for a while & is not a destination for most solid kids. 2018 recruiting was less than stellar and 2019 looks challenging. Sooner or later they have to stop relying so much on transfers. In the short term it has helped, but imo it seems risky to perpetuate a wholesale approach.

I do believe Mullin has a strong roster this year and will have opportunity to prove himself. Looking forward to it.[/quote]

I think for St. John's transfers were always at the core of our success in our heyday. Walter Berry and Mike Moses were transfer starters on our final four team. Reggie Carter, Bernard Rencher on those teams.. Searcy and others in that era. Bootsy, Grant, others on that team. Hardy, Brownlee, etc.

Transfers are at the core of our historical success. No reason it can't be again.[/quote]

You are cherry picking and leaving a false impression based on that cherry picking. Not to mention you leave out a lot of Looie's later teams, Malik Sealy eg, and the late 90's 2000 team that were NOT dominated by transfers

Furthermore you are mixing in JUCO transfers, not the same thing.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293422][quote="Beast of the East" post=293420][quote="Paultzman" post=293416]Matt has done well with transfers pretty much on his own. I don’t think bringing in transfers is a philosophy. Rather, it a plan B reaction to reality of where they stand with recruits. The program has been abysmal for a while & is not a destination for most solid kids. 2018 recruiting was less than stellar and 2019 looks challenging. Sooner or later they have to stop relying so much on transfers. In the short term it has helped, but imo it seems risky to perpetuate a wholesale approach.

I do believe Mullin has a strong roster this year and will have opportunity to prove himself. Looking forward to it.[/quote]

I think for St. John's transfers were always at the core of our success in our heyday. Walter Berry and Mike Moses were transfer starters on our final four team. Reggie Carter, Bernard Rencher on those teams.. Searcy and others in that era. Bootsy, Grant, others on that team. Hardy, Brownlee, etc.

Transfers are at the core of our historical success. No reason it can't be again.[/quote]

You are cherry picking and leaving a false impression based on that cherry picking. Not to mention you leave out a lot of Looie's later teams, Malik Sealy eg, and the late 90's 2000 team that were NOT dominated by transfers

Furthermore you are mixing in JUCO transfers, not the same thing.[/quote]

How do you cherry pick a transfer. We have a long list of transfers that were either our first or second best player, or played important roles. We didn't have a just a handful - we've had a ton of them. The list just goes on and on.
 
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