a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

[quote="AlBovino" post=292304]The "glitch" may not be a glitch at all. Maybe they are going in a different direction, or maybe you will wake up one day soon to find out Mike Rice has been hired. All I am saying is to wait and see what happens. Once actual decisions have been made then you can start bitching all you want. For some on this sight, they will bitch no matter what happens. And yes it is guessing, because absent details and not being privy to internal discussions, you and others know nothing.[/quote]

God bless you Al!:cheer:

Personally I'm not losing sleep over the imagined immediacy of the Rice hire. I've said in a previous post that speculation about Rice is premature and not worth discussing THIS week because there is literally no one from the program in New York City for the next couple of weeks including our head coach, 2 assistant coaches and our trainer.
That said, I know maybe a couple of more donors here in NYC than you know in your lovely village in Florida. There are little positive comments about the financial situation with the athletic department and the basketball resources in particular. It is not about wins or tournaments but about accountability. The reason there is so much interest and chatter here in the Big Apple about Rice is because people are looking for change in the management structure of the program. Head count and scheduled salaries is not a glitch. They are issues slowing the process. Those issues are at Mullin's feet.
I didn't light the fire at his feet. He did. Expect a change, whether he or we like it or not.
 
Not to add to the issues, and this was somewhat glossed over a few weeks ago, but I'm not sure our student athletes are being properly fed.

Simon and Clarke seemed to mention this a few weeks ago. Now Owens' dad seems to be adding to the innuendo and implying that T.O. is already in much better shape after 1 month at TT and eating much better. I mean what the hell are we even doing? No A/D, coaches that are engaged whenever the heck they feel like it, we can't #close a deal with an A/C with baggage because our current A/C who doesn't like recruiting won't get out of the way and we're still paying the guy he replaced too much severance, guys are apparently not getting properly fed, guys bailing mid-season on the team, a total abomination of an out of conference schedule, a revolving door of transfers, an inability to #close on high school recruits, no accountability whatsoever, my goodness what a clown show. It is amateur hour all day long every day with this program. Complete and total dysfunction. Honestly, if Heron somehow gets the waiver in spite of us tripping over ourselves every other day I'll be absolutely floored.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=292304]The "glitch" may not be a glitch at all. Maybe they are going in a different direction, or maybe you will wake up one day soon to find out Mike Rice has been hired. All I am saying is to wait and see what happens. Once actual decisions have been made then you can start bitching all you want. For some on this sight, they will bitch no matter what happens. And yes it is guessing, because absent details and not being privy to internal discussions, you and others know nothing.[/quote]
For the Vic DiBitetto fans-hawlongigottawait?
 
'72 and Windy City are on point..... It's not strictly about wins and losses, and being on the lists of major talent and making the dance. Those are certainly important, but that's only a part of it. Frankly, we haven't exactly gotten that right, either. Folks who continue to holla that stuff either have their heads in the sand or highly-astute deflectors and full of crap.

There's a laundry list of issues that have gone ignored by some (no need for me to rehash what '72, Windy City, Mike Zaun, frank61, TIS and a couple others).

By the way, Richmond is getting away with what is being allowed. Per the same person who isn't doing a whole lot more than himself.
 
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=292312]Not to add to the issues, and this was somewhat glossed over a few weeks ago, but I'm not sure our student athletes are being properly fed.

Simon and Clarke seemed to mention this a few weeks ago. Now Owens' dad seems to be adding to the innuendo and implying that T.O. is already in much better shape after 1 month at TT and eating much better. I mean what the hell are we even doing? No A/D, coaches that are engaged whenever the heck they feel like it, we can't #close a deal with an A/C with baggage because our current A/C who doesn't like recruiting won't get out of the way and we're still paying the guy he replaced too much severance, guys are apparently not getting properly fed, guys bailing mid-season on the team, a total abomination of an out of conference schedule, a revolving door of transfers, an inability to #close on high school recruits, no accountability whatsoever, my goodness what a clown show. It is amateur hour all day long every day with this program. Complete and total dysfunction. Honestly, if Heron somehow gets the waiver in spite of us tripping over ourselves every other day I'll be absolutely floored.[/quote]

Well, I'm expecting to be 'floored' on Heron--not for anything we're doing or not doing--but because his case and his persona is legitimate and compelling, and the NCAA's transfer policies are in the process of morphing.
I'm hoping the 'timing' may be perfect and favor the Heron family, to St. John's benefit for once.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292307]Al Bovino wrote: The "glitch" may not be a glitch at all. Maybe they are going in a different direction, or maybe you will wake up one day soon to find out Mike Rice has been hired. All I am saying is to wait and see what happens. Once actual decisions have been made then you can start bitching all you want. For some on this sight, they will bitch no matter what happens. And yes it is guessing, because absent details and not being privy to internal discussions, you and others know nothing.

I'm with Al on this one. I am a lifelong Johnnies fan (starting watching them when I was 12 and am now 66) with absolutely no inside knowledge so I have no clue where the negotiations stand (if anywhere). However, I am not guessing when I say that there is nothing the least bit unusual about it taking two weeks or more for an executive employment agreement to be negotiated and finalized so if serious talks started after July, there is absolutely nothing unusual about them not being finalized yet. Also don't get the sense of urgency; so long as staff is set in the next few weeks what difference does it really make? Let's just give this time to play out. I agree that we need a change if Mitch is not going to be fully engaged but let's wait to see what happens before we proclaim the end of the world.[/quote]


You're right NCJohnnies: "We know nothing," to borrow from the great Sgt. Schultz.
But the problem is two-fold: need and time.
St. John's needs 1 more full-time AC recruiting, developing players, providing x/o insights, and raising the program's visibility.
Mitch could do that. Obviously. He has chosen to not be fully involved and in fact, he has chosen to be close to invisible.
The other issue, is that if it's not Rice at this point, and not Mitch, 'who' the heck is it?
Because we need one more capable AC in that role, and it's mid-August.
Aren't most coaching slots filled at this late date?
Again, I am hopeful, and I know nothing--but color me concerned.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=292315]'72 and Windy City are on point..... It's not strictly about wins and losses, and being on the lists of major talent and making the dance. Those are certainly important, but that's only a part of it. Frankly, we haven't exactly gotten that right, either. Folks who continue to holla that stuff either have their heads in the sand or highly-astute deflectors and full of crap.

There's a laundry list of issues that have gone ignored by some (no need for me to rehash what '72, Windy City, Mike Zaun, frank61, TIS and a couple others).

By the way, Richmond is getting away with what is being allowed. Per the same person who isn't doing a whole lot more than himself.[/quote]

The damn shame of it is we have some really great kids on our roster - talent and character wise - and they're being held back by an administration and staff that can't get out of their own freakin way. They deserve better, frankly. I mean, you have a roster that has legitimate tournament possibilities and you pull together a schedule that basically makes that impossible? That is almost unfathomable ineptitude. I'd honestly put the Heron waiver at a 1% possibility at this point - either we spelled his name wrong, sent it in too late or to the wrong place, missed a meeting we were supposed to be at, who the heck knows. Would anything surprise anybody at this point, honestly?
 
Chicago Days wrote:

The other issue, is that if it's not Rice at this point, and not Mitch, 'who' the heck is it?
Because we need one more capable AC in that role, and it's mid-August.
Aren't most coaching slots filled at this late date?
Again, I am hopeful, and I know nothing--but color me concerned.

Chicago, I assume things are happening behind the scenes, but I have no idea what they are. So I am going to withhold judgment and too much worry until I know more. Just not that surprising to me if we are going after Rice that it takes some time to work out details, We'll see soon.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=292317][quote="NCJohnnie" post=292307]Al Bovino wrote: The "glitch" may not be a glitch at all. Maybe they are going in a different direction, or maybe you will wake up one day soon to find out Mike Rice has been hired. All I am saying is to wait and see what happens. Once actual decisions have been made then you can start bitching all you want. For some on this sight, they will bitch no matter what happens. And yes it is guessing, because absent details and not being privy to internal discussions, you and others know nothing.

I'm with Al on this one. I am a lifelong Johnnies fan (starting watching them when I was 12 and am now 66) with absolutely no inside knowledge so I have no clue where the negotiations stand (if anywhere). However, I am not guessing when I say that there is nothing the least bit unusual about it taking two weeks or more for an executive employment agreement to be negotiated and finalized so if serious talks started after July, there is absolutely nothing unusual about them not being finalized yet. Also don't get the sense of urgency; so long as staff is set in the next few weeks what difference does it really make? Let's just give this time to play out. I agree that we need a change if Mitch is not going to be fully engaged but let's wait to see what happens before we proclaim the end of the world.[/quote]


You're right NCJohnnies: "We know nothing," to borrow from the great Sgt. Schultz.
But the problem is two-fold: need and time.
St. John's needs 1 more full-time AC recruiting, developing players, providing x/o insights, and raising the program's visibility.
Mitch could do that. Obviously. He has chosen to not be fully involved and in fact, he has chosen to be close to invisible.
The other issue, is that if it's not Rice at this point, and not Mitch, 'who' the heck is it?
Because we need one more capable AC in that role, and it's mid-August.
Aren't most coaching slots filled at this late date?
Again, I am hopeful, and I know nothing--but color me concerned.[/quote]
Mullin will decide when and if to alter staff. Rice to his credit has patiently gone through a long process including recent meeting with Administrative folks. I am not excusing Mitch, but do know he has had some off season challenges. My read is CM wants to see where he is at before making changes. I never felt Mitch gave us much on recruiting end and thought he was better suited for the SA slot, but ultimately CM will decide.

What I don’t get is why subject Rice to the noted process inclusive of Admin meeting and not be serious about his candidacy. Thus, my conclusion is he is still in wings, remains only candidate and Mullin will weigh everything after clarifying Richmond situation & then decide. Time for my Rice sabbatical now & will wait and see the outcome. :)
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=292320][quote="Chicago Days" post=292317][quote="NCJohnnie" post=292307]Al Bovino wrote: The "glitch" may not be a glitch at all. Maybe they are going in a different direction, or maybe you will wake up one day soon to find out Mike Rice has been hired. All I am saying is to wait and see what happens. Once actual decisions have been made then you can start bitching all you want. For some on this sight, they will bitch no matter what happens. And yes it is guessing, because absent details and not being privy to internal discussions, you and others know nothing.

I'm with Al on this one. I am a lifelong Johnnies fan (starting watching them when I was 12 and am now 66) with absolutely no inside knowledge so I have no clue where the negotiations stand (if anywhere). However, I am not guessing when I say that there is nothing the least bit unusual about it taking two weeks or more for an executive employment agreement to be negotiated and finalized so if serious talks started after July, there is absolutely nothing unusual about them not being finalized yet. Also don't get the sense of urgency; so long as staff is set in the next few weeks what difference does it really make? Let's just give this time to play out. I agree that we need a change if Mitch is not going to be fully engaged but let's wait to see what happens before we proclaim the end of the world.[/quote]


You're right NCJohnnies: "We know nothing," to borrow from the great Sgt. Schultz.
But the problem is two-fold: need and time.
St. John's needs 1 more full-time AC recruiting, developing players, providing x/o insights, and raising the program's visibility.
Mitch could do that. Obviously. He has chosen to not be fully involved and in fact, he has chosen to be close to invisible.
The other issue, is that if it's not Rice at this point, and not Mitch, 'who' the heck is it?
Because we need one more capable AC in that role, and it's mid-August.
Aren't most coaching slots filled at this late date?
Again, I am hopeful, and I know nothing--but color me concerned.[/quote]
Mullin will decide when and if to alter staff. Rice to his credit has patiently gone through a long process including recent meeting with Administrative folks. I am not excusing Mitch, but do know he has had some off season challenges. My read is CM wants to see where he is at before making changes. I never felt Mitch gave us much on recruiting end and thought he was better suited for the SA slot, but ultimately CM will decide.

What I don’t get is why subject Rice to the noted process inclusive of Admin meeting and not be serious about his candidacy. Thus, my conclusion is he is still in wings, remains only candidate and Mullin will weigh everything after clarifying Richmond situation & then decide. Time for my Rice sabbatical now & will wait and see the outcome. :)[/quote]
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=292286][quote="AlBovino" post=292281]Our head coach will and should be responsible for his coaching staff. Let's just wait and see how it all plays out. There is no one on this board who has a clue what Mullin is thinking and what the coaching staff for this upcoming year will look like.[/quote]

Al, the head coach IS responsible for his coaching staff. He should also be held accountable for the close to 900 grand it is costing the university to pay for no show jobs while the administration buries their heads in the sand while raising our ticket prices after 3 consecutive losing seasons!
This is insanity![/quote]
Won’t pretend to know exactly what is going on. But, if true, someone needs to explain to MR that he is no longer in the NBA. There is no end of season exit interview and see you in the fall. It’s a full time job. Take your 5 week vacation and get back to work.
 
Thanks for the update Paultz. If that's possibly what's happening behind the scenes, then Mullin needs someone to answer to above him. This has become a real issue. If we can't trust our own head coach to make logical and obvious choices, then why is he not being held accountable? I love Mully but as I've said, no one is bigger than our program. If there's a clear opportunity to improve our staff and he elects to stay with a "coach" who seems to treat SJ as an afterthought, then why in the hell is it allowed to stay this way? There is thick black smoke coming from Carnesecca Arena and we are supposed to be ok with that? It just seems like we do the opposite of what would make sense and improve the program. In the past, people laughed when I suggested that the collective fanbase has a better sense of how to improve the program than the coaches/admin. Is anyone still laughing? And before someone says I'm flying off the handle and need to calm down and relax, I am totally calm. Just frustrated with all the dysfunction. Other fanbases in the Big East see that as our reputation by the way.
 
If Rice isn't hired after meeting with admin, I would assume any chance of Lewis or Aidan coming here will disappear as fast as the AC offer that seemed imminent just a week ago.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=292328]Based on Paultz, response, don't seem like having Richmond and Rice is an option.[/quote]
Could if Mitch opts to take his old SA slot. If not, Rice’s assets, like recruiting, would be wasted as Special Assistant. Sorry for not being clear.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=291291][quote="firestorm" post=291261][quote="Paultzman" post=291258][quote="MarkRedman" post=291257]I wish the chatter would stop and he would sign a contract with us[/quote]
Be patient, always an inclusive process in hires like this. Sense soon.[/quote]

This is exciting news. The growing pool of talent on the court and on the sideline is very promising. Please give me a heads up when the other shoe is about to fall...[/quote]

Don't do it to yourseld firestorm. Let him siggn then yeah get excited.
If he don't, then everyone get disappointed, so why not let it happen first?
Patience.[/quote]

So why did I say that? Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. hmmmm

This is why I won't allow myself to get to excited over anything oregarding sju.
Let it happen first.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=292329][quote="RedStormNC" post=292328]Based on Paultz, response, don't seem like having Richmond and Rice is an option.[/quote]
Could if Mitch opts to take his old SA slot. If not, Rice’s assets, like recruiting, would be wasted as Special Assistant. Sorry for not being clear.[/quote]

The SA seems a perfect place for Mitch. Hoping that both he and Mully see it that way. God knows, we need this to be structured on par with our major competitors.
But, I agree. It's time to let it play out. Too much angst over something we cannot control.
But am hoping for the best.
 
I have to agree with Paultz that CM should have made a decision prior to having Rice meet with Administration. It makes me wonder how long Rice will wait in the wings before he pulls the plug himself.

Meanwhile, the need for a change is glaring and, if brought back, Mitch will be an incredibly unpopular assistant. The Heron commitment and rumors of Rice saved this staff from facing an infuriated fan base. If both fall through for next year, Mullin's rope gets shorter.
 
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doesn't much matter what MITCH has to say'CHRIS HAS TO MAN UP AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE TEAM. friendship does not trump the program
 
If this guy was an asset why wouldn’t he have been hired at any other program by now? Why wouldn’t he have been hired by CM if he was such a slam dunk? Fact is you can put the Mitch uncertainty to the side and come to a reasonable conclusion that if this guy was an obviously worthwhile candidate he wouldn’t be where he is right now. Get another young coach who is hungry and can learn from Matt A + GSJ and hopefully be able to compliment both of their skill sets.

Ball boys can exhale they potentially won’t need to chase flying basketballs around the gym all winter long.
 
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