a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

A head coach 3 time zones away from his office.
A full paid assistant that nobody knows the whereabouts of.
Not a single commit from the 2019 class, when others in the conference have multiples already.
Rice alone doesn't solve the problems here.
If the staff hadn't gotten so very fortunate with the late additions of Heron and Figueroa, they'd be looking at another cellar finish.
Time to clean house.
 
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Yikes! If Mitch's role is indeed the hold-up, this would signal continued dysfunction within the program. Whether you like the idea of Rice or not, it would be hard to argue he doesn't bring much greater value than Richmond.

Let's hope this is still on track and they are just working through some details.
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=292257]A head coach 3 time zones away from his office.
A full paid assistant that nobody knows the whereabouts of.
Not a single commit from the 2019 class, when others in the conference have multiples already.
Rice alone doesn't solve the problems here.
If the staff hadn't gotten so very fortunate with the late additions of Heron and Figueroa, they'd be looking at another cellar finish.
Time to clean house.[/quote]

Yea let’s not give staff credit for landing two awesome additions late. And let’s cut them loose now before our most talented roster this century gets a chance. I mean why put off the inevitable when we could be complaining about our next new coach sooner?
 
Hard to be believe that all of this is true:

1. Chris won’t ask MR to leave his post or change his job to enable a hire.

2. RM needs the job or wants it so badly that she won’t leave it or change to open a spot.

3. The university president won’t step in and force a resolution of the situation knowing the fiscal
And pr issues.

All those things have
To be true in order for a stalemate to exist. If all those things ARE true then we’re doomed.
 
Mase they do get credit for those things. But the fact that hey are able to pull rabbits out of the hat does not mean, unfortunately, that they’re building a sound program. Regularized recruiting is essential.

I have been very pleased with the talent increases year
Over year. But this issue speaks to a larger question of can the university and this staff get its act together and restore a normal and regularized program that can sustain itself.
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=292257]A head coach 3 time zones away from his office.
A full paid assistant that nobody knows the whereabouts of.
Not a single commit from the 2019 class, when others in the conference have multiples already.
Rice alone doesn't solve the problems here.
If the staff hadn't gotten so very fortunate with the late additions of Heron and Figueroa, they'd be looking at another cellar finish.
Time to clean house.[/quote]

So every negative is a reason to fire and every positive nothing but good fortune? Okay........just curious, the roster has been turned over in essentially two recruiting cycles just by dumb luck?? We are in the mix for major talent just by the same dumb luck?? I don’t believe we will close on those players and never have but to think we are still in the picture without having worked hard is just not being realistic or fair. I get it you don’t like Mullin but............
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=292257]A head coach 3 time zones away from his office.
A full paid assistant that nobody knows the whereabouts of.
Not a single commit from the 2019 class, when others in the conference have multiples already.
Rice alone doesn't solve the problems here.
If the staff hadn't gotten so very fortunate with the late additions of Heron and Figueroa, they'd be looking at another cellar finish.
Time to clean house.[/quote]

You had to wait the whole summer to break this one out. How were you so patient? Such discipline!
 
[quote="Logen" post=292265][quote="Tom in Salem" post=292257]A head coach 3 time zones away from his office.
A full paid assistant that nobody knows the whereabouts of.
Not a single commit from the 2019 class, when others in the conference have multiples already.
Rice alone doesn't solve the problems here.
If the staff hadn't gotten so very fortunate with the late additions of Heron and Figueroa, they'd be looking at another cellar finish.
Time to clean house.[/quote]

just curious, the roster has been turned over in essentially two recruiting cycles just by dumb luck?? [/quote]

That's not hardly what he said. I'm all for giving this staff another season, but most of what he said has merit. I'll certainly give the staff (Matt A.) credit for Figuroa, but we did somewhat "lucked out" with Heron. Granted, Matt had a solid relationship with Heron and his dad, but we were fortunate--due to a bad situation (his mom's ailment)--he wanted to play close to his home.

I also heard Mullin basically didn't have much interaction when it came to our schedule. As, Paultz stated.... It was basically St. Jean. Really?!

We are in the mix for major talent just by the same dumb luck?? I don’t believe we will close on those players and never have but to think we are still in the picture without having worked hard is just not being realistic or fair.
Click to expand...

What's any good being on the list of major talent, if you don't believe we're going to close on any of 'em? Aesthetics?
You do know the person who is truly busting his ass allowing us to be on many of these kid's lists (major talent or not) wasn't mentioned by TIS.

I get it you don’t like Mullin but............
Click to expand...

He doesn't care for Mullin, and I get it, too.... But I just "love" your "wonderfully" crafted responses.
 
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[quote="redmanwest" post=292264]Mase they do get credit for those things. But the fact that hey are able to pull rabbits out of the hat does not mean, unfortunately, that they’re building a sound program. Regularized recruiting is essential.

I have been very pleased with the talent increases year
Over year. But this issue speaks to a larger question of can the university and this staff get its act together and restore a normal and regularized program that can sustain itself.[/quote]

I think most people on this Board realize we need to right-size the Staff with a very competent, full-time AC who brings energy, commitment, skills, and recruiting ties to St. John’s.
And that, to date, the Staff has been disadvantaged competing against other high-major programs in th BEC and beyond because of the functional dysfunction inherent in 1-guy not pulling his weight.
Yes, this roster is very talented and I give the Staff (mostly Matt) kudos for it, and for being in the mix for top 2019 and 2020 talent.
The present functional dysfunction in assignments and commitment cannot continue if we are to consistently be able to be a factor in the BEC and in major college hoops.
Whether one is pro-Mullin, anti-Mullin, or supportive of the coach but wants to see a consistently successful program, that is the fact, Jack.
 
I am confused by the incongruities that appear concerning our program. I would think coaches that get paid the HUGE salaries that they do should get a vacation, maybe a month off, then back to work. They are after all employees of the university and should be accountable to someone. As things stand now it looks more like a 3 ring circus than high major program. For the money paid out to this program, I would think everyone would have the right to expect it to operate like a well oiled machine.
In reality, we have no idea where our coaches are, we do nothing to enhance our program from a coaching/recruiting point of view., at least to the casual eye. I know nothing more than what I read, and I must admit, there is nothing that would fill you with a feeling of excitement and pride..To the contrary, we are all waiting for the calendar to get shorter as the fall rapidly approaches. I do not think a High Major Program should wait for anything. This is the time to make things happen. We don't know the status of our present student/athletes, are they working out, are they following off season weight programs?
Our situation with our coaching staff as it presently stands is pure insanity. Matt is killing himself on the recruiting circuit, while our head coach deals with the transition of moving his family from the west coast. One would think this should have been effectively dealt with by now. One of our assistants is out doing the California thing. We are going to hire, nope we are not, one thing after another. The convolutions are enough to make one dizzy, and yes, frustrated.
Someone has to take charge, and act like an executive of a very expensive program within this university. They have to do more than stand on the sidelines when the games begin. He has to create and maintain everything within that program. He has be responsible for the coaching staff, and should know where all coaches are, and make sure each of those coaches know what is expected of them. They have to lay out the programs that are expected to be executed in the off season. Things have to be tightened up. for quite a while these programs have been allowed to drift, or non-existent and that can only end up in disaster.
The basketball team is one of the most important ways for the University to communicate with the public. I know I was a huge fan before I ever became a student. It should be something that every student, alumnus. and fan should point to with pride and excitement. Unfortunately, that is not the case right now, we have to stop thinking small if we are going to maintain our status as a High Major Program. If that is too much for the school and it's administrators to deal with, then perhaps the time has come to step down to mid-major, because that is how our program is being run right now.
 
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[quote="redmanwest" post=292263]Hard to be believe that all of this is true:

1. Chris won’t ask MR to leave his post or change his job to enable a hire.

2. RM needs the job or wants it so badly that she won’t leave it or change to open a spot.

3. The university president won’t step in and force a resolution of the situation knowing the fiscal
And pr issues.

All those things have
To be true in order for a stalemate to exist. If all those things ARE true then we’re doomed.[/quote]


So you gave it three hours to play out?
 
No sir, Trimble was just one more less than positive things since the season ended this year.
 
Frank61. Sorry to see you go to the dark side. I can't understand why people have to hypothesize rather than wait until actual facts are revealed.
 
I have been behind coach and staff but lets see what he does now with what he has. If the team falters and winds up not in the top 3 , and we do not get into thenNCAA . would consider that a failure.We all have waited so long something must happen this yr. Also,to be honest it was not a massive accomplishment that we updated talent since the bar was low Think we would all like to get a high paying job in a Dept or Co that was really bad . IT WOULD SEEM you could only improve it ,if you are the right person. BUT in the real world they are not going to give you 4 yrs to show growth and a profit,they do not have the patience we have lol
 
Al, I have REALLY NOT gone to the dark side. I am just a little frustrated at the MR thing more than anything else. He is being paid a lot of money and we are not getting much value for our payment to him. Someone has to be responsible for that. I am not on the DARK side, I deplore it.
 
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I don’t think Mullin wants to hire Rice at all. I personally believe Mullin is very content with the team and it’s staff and is just hoping a successful season will get the NYC fans and Media ( NY Post, Newsday) to fall back.

Mullin probably thinks if he had Lovett for the whole season last year we’re probably a 20 win team (which we we were on pace for before Lovett left) and great wins over Duke and Nova = Equals tournament. If that’s the case why would Mullin change anything? He clearly wants Greg St. Jean to be a future recruiter ( Hence why he sent him to try and recruit the big fish Jordan Brown) while being the X&O’s coach (which he did all last year). If he already has two recruiters ( Greg and Matt) and a X&O’s coach ( Greg) why do I need Rice?

And to an extent Mullin is right. If we make the tournament or even NIT last year none of you guys are calling for Rice with the same urgency like you guys are doing right now. Mullin doesn’t need the recruiting help since he’s not really reliant on high school recruits so this is probably a waste of time for him.
 
[quote="frank61" post=292276]Al, I have REALLY NOT gone to the dark side. I am just a little frustrated at the MR thing more than anything else. He is being paid a lot of money and we are not much value for our payment to him. Someone has to be responsible for that. I am not on the DARK side, I deplore it.[/quote]

As I said earlier, imo. It’s not whether one is pro-Mullin, anti-Mullin or supportive but wants the program positioned for consistent success, and Mitch’s current functional-dysfunction role defeats that goal.
IF Mitch were to re-engage and be a full-time AC, involved in all aspects of that position from in-game insights, to player development, to recruiting—fine.
He’s a HOFer, has great presence, and much to impart.
But if he’s unwilling or unable to re-engage, then he must step aside in a role better suited for whatever it is he wants to do—otherwise he is harming the program’s ability to succeed.
It is that simple.
No animosity intended to Mitch or Mullin.
The Staff must ‘somehow’ be right-sized.
This is something that must happen to succeed.
Period.
 
[quote="Logen" post=292265][quote="Tom in Salem" post=292257]A head coach 3 time zones away from his office.
A full paid assistant that nobody knows the whereabouts of.
Not a single commit from the 2019 class, when others in the conference have multiples already.
Rice alone doesn't solve the problems here.
If the staff hadn't gotten so very fortunate with the late additions of Heron and Figueroa, they'd be looking at another cellar finish.
Time to clean house.[/quote]

So every negative is a reason to fire and every positive nothing but good fortune? Okay........just curious, the roster has been turned over in essentially two recruiting cycles just by dumb luck?? We are in the mix for major talent just by the same dumb luck?? I don’t believe we will close on those players and never have but to think we are still in the picture without having worked hard is just not being realistic or fair. I get it you don’t like Mullin but............[/quote]

I agree with much of what TIS says except the cleaning house part. I'm not even sure he meant immediately or after next season if things remain mediocre.
Please note my critique of Mullin is not about coaching the game or his knowledge and love of the game. It is about bad management practices that have us debating the position of an "assistant coach" because Mullin's temperament has created a major budgetary problem. Facts are facts and those are that entering year 4 Slice is still receiving full salary courtesy of Mullin and Richmond is being paid to sit on his ass in California with a very minor role in basketball operations. When did Mullin become the "banker" of the funds that are supposed to finance his tremendous "rebuild" from his first season disaster?
This is about much more than being on some 18 year old's list of schools. Tom's post aludes to absentee management and our two HoFers dialing it in from California area codes.
This is not about a one-off great season with great talent this coming season but seeing major staff commitment to the future of the program in the Big East conference in the long term. If Mitch and Mullin still have their home bases in California next Spring then I don't see a long term commitment from either.
While Tom is premature in his house cleaning, should things remain as they have been, that outcome will be inevitable and that can be a program killer. We don't need the publicity of firing our greatest player.
That is why someone has to convince Mully to shit or get of the pot voluntarily.
 
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