a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

[quote="we are sju" post=292192][quote="gonzalo" post=292191][quote="we are sju" post=292159]
Paultz just to be fair did you know the whereabouts of every other assistant in summers past? Not sure what any assistant besides Matt does. And I only know that because I am pretty sure some on here are on his payroll and keep telling me what he does. Is Richmond a good assistant coach? No idea. But seems fans here are way to preoccupied with our assistant coaches. Never remember this being such an issue before. I think people are looking at this issue as some kind of cure all. We went to Elite 8 with Deuce as an assistant!
Maybe it is me?[/quote]
The fact that Coach Mullin had no experience gave us the idea that was more necessary an experienced assistant coach.

With Coach Lavin we also spoke about the assistant coaches: Chiles was the only recruiter (Lavin was a good closer so we didn´t have this problem, at least in the first years), when Dunlap left we spoke about the need of another assistant with good Xs and Os and there were many questions about the work of Hines. The difference is that Hines was not a Hall of Famer and one of our advantages is to have two Hall of Famers in our staff. But if one of them doesn´t appear...

And we went to Elite 8 because Jarvis was a good coach and he had very good players (recruited by two previous coaches)[/quote]

Most on this site not going to like your last sentence.[/quote]

Take out the word good and it's okay.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=292186][quote="Chicago Days" post=292184][quote="Andrew" post=292182]I haven’t posted much on this topic. We definitely need another assistant coach on the recruiting trail. I am not sure why it would be Rice or nobody. I thought it would be good for recruits to see Mullin and Richmond on the staff buy for whatever reason this has not worked out.

Whatever prevails with our assistant coaches I think Heron being eligible is key to the team making the tournament. Without him I don’t know if they are good enough to not slip up on an easy out of conference schedule or be a top 4 team in what is always a good league. I also wonder if he will stick around another year if he can’t play this year. This year’s recruiting is huge as the two transfer sit outs are both question marks. I love Mullin but I still believe this won’t end well unless we get a break sooner then later.[/quote]

The absence of ‘closure’ Is stressing me out. I’m going to ‘dial-it-down a couple notches.Too early for vino, maybe I’ll take a nap as well.[/quote]
A wine IV during nap also an option[/quote]

Lol. Paradise!
 
[quote="sirvoo" post=292194]Was just joking Adam about the termination clause lol.

I appreciate everyone’s opinion and enthusiasm for the program and it’s happenings. We’re all in the same boat as supporters after all. But I find it absolutely startling how invested a lot of people are in this potential hiring. He is an assistant coach candidate and to say he has baggage is the understatement of the century.

We all have flaws and one of mine is that when it comes to people in the public eye I label them based on their actions. Ray Lewis is a murderer. Pete Rose is a gambler. Tiger Woods is the man. Mike Rice is a guy who throws basketballs at people and calls them nasty names.

Let’s move on because we have a ton of positive things happening in 2019 and beyond fellas![/quote]
"Tiger Woods is the man"...who got 9 ironed by his then wife from winning any more majors. (Watch him win this weeks PGA now).
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=292156]Regarding Mitch, all the barbs,including mine occasionally, are understandable as he seemed to vanish since last season and did not go to events this summer as he has in past. That said, the silence is so deafening that it would be unfair to preclude legitimate reasons be it a health or personal matter. Just trying to be fair.[/quote]

I'll go with the latter.
He's been bouncing around California since the NBA playoffs. The question remains what is our R.O.I. with him in his current role. The resources being plundered by the Mullin experiment has no precedent at St. John's. There are power donors grumbling about the state of the Athletic Department. We have a coach with the worst losing record in school history who seemingly answers to no one yet is being compensated royally. We have two assistant coaches (Slice and Richmond ) costing the university close to $1 million per season with neither being visible anywhere. We have no athletic director. If, by this time next year, we have not made a post season and can't close on key recruits, I think we will experience tremendous turnover, both in players and staff.
The value of Mike Rice was both experience and his connections to key high school recruits. That connection and any recruiting credibility will suffer as a consequence.
At the moment the entire staff, from the head coach to the athletic trainer, are on hiatus out of town.
We will know in two weeks whether we will be moving in the right direction.
One thing is certain and that is that making up a weak schedule to win 20+ games will not fool the NCAA nor the New York fans of the program.
I'm hoping Mullin is smarter than that but there has been no evidence he can manage the required changes or fix his one million dollar staffing problem that is hemorrhaging the basketball program's budget.
As I said, this is unprecedented.
 
[quote="austour" post=292196][quote="we are sju" post=292192][quote="gonzalo" post=292191][quote="we are sju" post=292159]
Paultz just to be fair did you know the whereabouts of every other assistant in summers past? Not sure what any assistant besides Matt does. And I only know that because I am pretty sure some on here are on his payroll and keep telling me what he does. Is Richmond a good assistant coach? No idea. But seems fans here are way to preoccupied with our assistant coaches. Never remember this being such an issue before. I think people are looking at this issue as some kind of cure all. We went to Elite 8 with Deuce as an assistant!
Maybe it is me?[/quote]
The fact that Coach Mullin had no experience gave us the idea that was more necessary an experienced assistant coach.

With Coach Lavin we also spoke about the assistant coaches: Chiles was the only recruiter (Lavin was a good closer so we didn´t have this problem, at least in the first years), when Dunlap left we spoke about the need of another assistant with good Xs and Os and there were many questions about the work of Hines. The difference is that Hines was not a Hall of Famer and one of our advantages is to have two Hall of Famers in our staff. But if one of them doesn´t appear...

And we went to Elite 8 because Jarvis was a good coach and he had very good players (recruited by two previous coaches)[/quote]

Most on this site not going to like your last sentence.[/quote]

Take out the word good and it's okay.[/quote]

Take good out in front of “coach” but keep it in front of “players”.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=292226][quote="austour" post=292196][quote="we are sju" post=292192][quote="gonzalo" post=292191]
And we went to Elite 8 because Jarvis was a good coach and he had very good players (recruited by two previous coaches)[/quote]

Most on this site not going to like your last sentence.[/quote]

Take out the word good and it's okay.[/quote]

Take good out in front of “coach” but keep it in front of “players”.[/quote]

Yup
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=292178]First things first, need an opening...[/quote]

So, is it that Richmond doesn't agree with sliding over to special assist, and SJU not willing to buy him out or SJU not open to increasing payroll to carry both?
 
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[quote="sirvoo" post=292194]Ray Lewis is a murderer. Pete Rose is a gambler. Tiger Woods is an adulterous Ambien junkie. Mike Rice is a guy who throws basketballs at people and calls them nasty names.[/quote]

Fixed that for you.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=292223][quote="Paultzman" post=292156]Regarding Mitch, all the barbs,including mine occasionally, are understandable as he seemed to vanish since last season and did not go to events this summer as he has in past. That said, the silence is so deafening that it would be unfair to preclude legitimate reasons be it a health or personal matter. Just trying to be fair.[/quote]

I'll go with the latter.
He's been bouncing around California since the NBA playoffs. The question remains what is our R.O.I. with him in his current role. The resources being plundered by the Mullin experiment has no precedent at St. John's. There are power donors grumbling about the state of the Athletic Department. We have a coach with the worst losing record in school history who seemingly answers to no one yet is being compensated royally. We have two assistant coaches (Slice and Richmond ) costing the university close to $1 million per season with neither being visible anywhere. We have no athletic director. If, by this time next year, we have not made a post season and can't close on key recruits, I think we will experience tremendous turnover, both in players and staff.
The value of Mike Rice was both experience and his connections to key high school recruits. That connection and any recruiting credibility will suffer as a consequence.
At the moment the entire staff, from the head coach to the athletic trainer, are on hiatus out of town.
We will know in two weeks whether we will be moving in the right direction.
One thing is certain and that is that making up a weak schedule to win 20+ games will not fool the NCAA nor the New York fans of the program.
I'm hoping Mullin is smarter than that but there has been no evidence he can manage the required changes or fix his one million dollar staffing problem that is hemorrhaging the basketball program's budget.
As I said, this is unprecedented.[/quote]

Post of the year.
The time to bail is now.
Wasted 3 years already.
Rice was never the answer.
Problems go much deeper than he could fix.
 
I’m stunned. Hoping it’s a bump and not a chasm. Rice may not be ‘the answer’ or a ‘savior’, but imo he would be a major addition on several levels and would also ‘right-size’ the ship versus our major competitors.
Don’t understand how if Mitch doesn’t want to reengage into the program, he can stand in the way of a necessary staff change.
I don’t want to cast negative vibes at the guy because he’s a HOFer and should be a great asset to any program, but this calls for clarity and closure and soon.
 
Sorry guys, I have been a little disconnected the last two days. Did something factual come out that either Rice hire is not going to happen or Mitch is being uncooperative? If I missed it, my bad.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=292241]Sorry guys, I have been a little disconnected the last two days. Did something factual come out that either Rice hire is not going to happen or Mitch is being uncooperative? If I missed it, my bad.[/quote]

Not sure, but I think a buzz / rumor from the cognoscenti of our Board that ‘an opening’ on the Staff has to occur before ‘rice’ can be added to the menu...which seems to point to some intransigence or reluctance on Mitch’s part but that’s total speculation on my part.
That’s all the ‘tea-leaf reading’ I’m capable of.
Enjoy the beach, NCJ.
 
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If you can't devote the time you need to to be an assistant coach in the college game, then perhaps you shouldn't be an assistant in college. Hard for me to believe a retired hall of fame player has that hunger to be an assistant. Maybe if he had ties to the school like the head coach does it would be different. I think the special assistant role is best for him.
#whereswaldo
#wheresmitch
 
So to recap the transition from July to August. Enthusiasm is running high as Heron is being discussed as half of the nation's best backcourt, and the Rice hire, with his excellent NJ contacts, considered a near certainty. An important hire, it would seem, as there are more local 4 and 5 stars that seem to be in the mix, several of who played for Rice.

So now it's August and the latest tweet is casting doubt on the Rice hire, and Heron's eligibility, based on the NCAA'S track record, has to be considered a longshot. Fortunately, as a Mets fan, I have a lot of experience dealing with this. Always hope for next year, based on the return of a few really good players and a couple that are touted to be good. Then next season comes, and it's the s.o.s. year after year. Will November bring hope and February bring heartache to SJU fans? I have no idea, as the outlook changes from week to week here, and it's the slow season.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=292245]So to recap the transition from July to August. Enthusiasm is running high as Heron is being discussed as half of the nation's best backcourt, and the Rice hire, with his excellent NJ contacts, considered a near certainty. An important hire, it would seem, as there are more local 4 and 5 stars that seem to be in the mix, several of who played for Rice.

So now it's August and the latest tweet is casting doubt on the Rice hire, and Heron's eligibility, based on the NCAA'S track record, has to be considered a longshot. Fortunately, as a Mets fan, I have a lot of experience dealing with this. Always hope for next year, based on the return of a few really good players and a couple that are touted to be good. Then next season comes, and it's the s.o.s. year after year. Will November bring hope and February bring heartache to SJU fans? I have no idea, as the outlook changes from week to week here, and it's the slow season.[/quote]

Hear-hear. Well-said, Ray!
 
yes it does call for clarity,his HOF status should not preclude an investigation to what exactly is going on, his duties and if he has accomplished goals that have been set for his position. Not knowing what has transpired seems the above would be necessary before bring on another staff member like Rice who would have plenty of desire and connections to help SJU
 
[quote="usguard" post=292247]yes it does call for clarity,his HOF status should not preclude an investigation to what exactly is going on, his duties and if he has accomplished goals that have been set for his position. Not knowing what has transpired seems the above would be necessary before bring on another staff member like Rice who would have plenty of desire and connections to help SJU[/quote]

The mayor of New York City is entitled to a salary of $258,750 a year. It's a job that is off the charts harder than that of both Mitch Richmond and Slice. Right now the salaries of these two slackers is costing more than that of the mayors of NYC, L.A. and Chicago combined.
Not one program in America is spending that kind of money on no-show jobs yet we are discussing the budgetary feasibility of hiring Mike Rice. If this were a publicly funded university heads would be rolling starting with the President who supposedly is fiscally conscious.
 
Maybe totally off, but just a thought...

Mullin probably had pressure to consider Rice vs truly wanting him.

At same time, he's probably loyal to a fault with Richmond, maybe more so than his loyalty to the program.

So, he goes through the motions to interview and consider Rice, to appease many but knows he's not going to cut his BFF for not doing basic asst jobs like recruit...or even demote his BFF and ask him to take a cut to help his vision of getting program back.

Admin not taking on too much salary and #'s can't work unless someone caves in.

Or not.....
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=292253]Maybe totally off, but just a thought...

Mullin probably had pressure to consider Rice vs truly wanting him.

At same time, he's probably loyal to a fault with Richmond, maybe more so than his loyalty to the program.

So, he goes through the motions to interview and consider Rice, to appease many but knows he's not going to cut his BFF for not doing basic asst jobs like recruit...or even demote his BFF and ask him to take a cut to help his vision of getting program back.

Admin not taking on too much salary and #'s can't work unless someone caves in.

Or not.....[/quote]

CM needs to step up as the head coach and do the right thing for his program. He needs to look in the mirror and recognize that MR isn't pulling his weight. Either MR needs to be told and required to be an active full time assistant coach or have his choice of moving into an advisory role or leaving the program, so that we can hire someone who has the ability and desire to coach and recruit at a high level.

That's what a real head coach should and would do. Let's see how this plays out. I'm hoping that CM will do the right thing here.
 
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