21-22 Starting Lineup / Playing Time
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When was the last time we returned two of the best players in the nation?
Surround them with ultra-athletic players (Wheeler, Mathis,) in an aggressive defense with a few wing shooters (Smith, Coburn), a few decent rebounders (Soriano, Stanley) and maybe have someone break out (Dylan, Smith) to be the clear third best player...... and you know what..... we're gonna have ourselves a team.
Now if just everyone buys in and there's no BS like last year......
Surround them with ultra-athletic players (Wheeler, Mathis,) in an aggressive defense with a few wing shooters (Smith, Coburn), a few decent rebounders (Soriano, Stanley) and maybe have someone break out (Dylan, Smith) to be the clear third best player...... and you know what..... we're gonna have ourselves a team.
Now if just everyone buys in and there's no BS like last year......
Assuming Posh and Julian stay healthy and continue to improve, it seems this squad has the depth and experience to make some noise in Dance. It is key however that they play better defense, have a competent guy to give Posh a breather and Smith and Coburn are a tonic for SJ’s “meh” perimeter game. Who starts means little to me, IMO it is a matter of having right rotations depending on opposition and distributing minutes fairly.
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Agree completely Paultz. With Champ, Posh and Wusu likely to take a nice step forward, and with the new additions, we seem to(on paper) have the balance, depth, height and talent to easily be dancing in March. We know we have the coaching. Anything less then a tourney appearance, and I'll very disappointed.Paultzman post=440418 said:
I dont think Champ takes a step back on ppg unless he under performs. I dont think his minutes are getting cut. It will be a big deal to get Champ a lot of attention, post season awards and NBA drafted.
Lots of W's and a post season run means a ton, but avg. an efficient 20 ppg for Champ has got to be high on the list.
Lots of W's and a post season run means a ton, but avg. an efficient 20 ppg for Champ has got to be high on the list.
Agree with you NC, but if Champ and the team do well, and Champ's PPG averages drops off slightly, I don't think it'll hurt his draft stock at all. Especially if it's the result of some of the other kids stepping up and scoring more. Kind of like when Chris went from averaging 22.9 PPG as a Jr, to 19.8 PPG as a senior, in large part because of Walter's offensive contributions. Chris and the team did better his senior year, in spite of the fact that his PPG went down by more than 3 PPG.RedStormNC post=440422 said:
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Other thing to consider with scoring stats is while we were pretty porous defensively last year we led Big East in points scored. With a bigger and better defensive team this year we should allow less points but may not score as much. This could have incidental effect on Champs ppg, but agree with Monte that as long as he and team play well and make some noise in the dance, his draft stock will only get better.
agree with you 100% about the schedule and avoiding a crappy start which has certainly plagued us in years past. As a matter of fact I believe we have a favourable BE schedule to start the season and I believe it is imperative that we win BE games in December and early January as compared to years past. If we can do that and avoid injuries to Champ and Posh we should dance.mjmaherjr post=440427 said:
I think Mathis + Coburn + Smith will give us more production than often injured Williams + Dunn. Plus Mathis is supposed to be a beast on defense.
As for Wheeler, I suspect that he can at least give us what Earlington gave us. And Nyiwe might be a sleeper on this roster giving us unexpected production.
With a year under the belts of Posh and Wusu, plus a legitimate center in Soriano for hopefully 15 minutes a game, projects to be a better year than last.
You're not the first person projecting Nyiwe to be a possible sleeper. I assume you mean "unexpected production" on offense? Just wondering, what it is in his past that would give you and others that expectation? Has anyone on this board even seen him play? In my mind, if we get anything close to Josh Roberts production from him, I'll be thrilled.mm52 post=440436 said:
mm52 post=440436 said:
For as little as Cole produced down the stretch, he wasn’t nothing. He was a threat from deep and a decent rebounder. He wasn’t a great fit and I wasn’t upset when he decided to transfer but he still has to be accounted for in terms of replacements. So it’s really a 3 player swap.
If you gave me the option of Smith or Dunn playing next to Posh, I’d take Smith. If you asked me who's the better option as a wing shooter, Cole or Coburn, I’d take Coburn. But if you asked me who id rather have as an athletic big guard, I’d take Williams over Mathis. JMO and I’ll be rooting like hell he proves me wrong.
I'm hoping Wheeler can play somewhat like Moore did in the 2nd half of the season, which is to say:
-Don't lurk on the perimeter.
-Don't try to create your own shot.
-Lurk around the basket.
-Catch everything thrown to you.
-Finish with authority.
-Run the court like few your size can.
-Protect the rim on D.
-Don't lurk on the perimeter.
-Don't try to create your own shot.
-Lurk around the basket.
-Catch everything thrown to you.
-Finish with authority.
-Run the court like few your size can.
-Protect the rim on D.
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For as little as Cole produced down the stretch, he wasn’t nothing. He was a threat from deep and a decent rebounder. He wasn’t a great fit and I wasn’t upset when he decided to transfer but he still has to be accounted for in terms of replacements. So it’s really a 3 player swap.
If you gave me the option of Smith or Dunn playing next to Posh, I’d take Smith. If you asked me who's the better option as a wing shooter, Cole or Coburn, I’d take Coburn. But if you asked me who id rather have as an athletic big guard, I’d take Williams over Mathis. JMO and I’ll be rooting like hell he proves me wrong.
To amplify Amase's point above there was less than one point per game difference between Williams, Dunn, Moore and Cole for our third leading scorer last year. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong in thinking Cole would be a two year significant contributor for us, but he did score, was fifth in minutes played and was our second best free throw shooter.
For as little as Cole produced down the stretch, he wasn’t nothing. He was a threat from deep and a decent rebounder. He wasn’t a great fit and I wasn’t upset when he decided to transfer but he still has to be accounted for in terms of replacements. So it’s really a 3 player swap.
If you gave me the option of Smith or Dunn playing next to Posh, I’d take Smith. If you asked me who's the better option as a wing shooter, Cole or Coburn, I’d take Coburn. But if you asked me who id rather have as an athletic big guard, I’d take Williams over Mathis. JMO and I’ll be rooting like hell he proves me wrong.
To amplify Amase's point above there was less than one point per game difference between Williams, Dunn, Moore and Cole for our third leading scorer last year. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong in thinking Cole would be a two year significant contributor for us, but he did score, was fifth in minutes played and was our second best free throw shooter.
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Based one his reputation, his stats at JC and based on what I saw from him early in the season, I too overestimated what kind of contribution Cole would give us. Having said that, to just add to what you said, Cole was one of those guys that whenever he was on the court, opposing coaches were telling his kids "don't give him an open look". That kind of shooting threat opens up the floor, making it easier for guys like Dunn to drive. So his value definitely extended beyond just his numbersNCJohnnie post=440440 said:
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And Williams and Earlington who both finished top 5 in the BE in 3p%
Going through life in a body built for football (O-line) I think at least some of our success the coming year will derive from Stanley or Nyiwe coming off the bench and being able to go through or over defenders for rebounds and putbacks, not to mention spacing the floor for our scorers.