2024-25 Rankings

mattc said:
Solidified our resume? A long way to go for what? We’re 15-3 (6-1), ranked 26 in both polls and you act like we’re a bubble team. It’s mid-January, not mid-March and last I checked there’s 13 game left. If the season ended right now (which it doesn’t) we’d be safely in the field.
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St Johns Syndrome. Waiting for the proverbial hammer to drop.
 
my current projection for the next couple weeks:
go 2-0 this week.... we are #23
Next week: beat X... #21
Following - beat GTown and Prov : #16

Feb 4 showdown... if Marq manages to remain unbeaten (which will include a win over UConn)... they might be top3 (given the current top6 lose)

Beat MARQ .... and THEN SMACK UConn AT UCONN.... say hi to your top 10 Johnnies....

I haven't even had a beer yet today!!! lol
 
dad742 said:
Can someone tell me why if St.John's keeps winning it keep going down in The KP ratings?
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I am sure someone can answer this better than I can but on very simplistic level you are expected to beat a team by the amount of points that separates the team you play in the rankings. I think how close you come to covering the point spread will give you some indication. We came up short against Georgetown so we dropped a little. A lot of other moving pieces like what your prior opponents do.
 
redmanwest said:
That's completely bogus, absurd and probably based on gambling considerations that are taking over all sprots now.
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It has nothing to do with gambling.

KenPom's algorithm projects the final score of every single game based on the adjusted efficiencies of each team. If you outperform the projection for the game your efficiency will increase. If you underperform it, it will decrease. It's simple math.

If we were to play Mississippi Valley State, maybe the worst D1 team in history right now, and we were projected to win by 40 points but only actually ended up winning by 2, do you think our ranking should go up or down based on that result?
 
mm52 said:
These stats are somewhat sobering but also indicative of how they can be manipulated to justify the result you want.
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Not only can be but ARE; when you have multiple criteria, you have no criteria, only the semblance of fair.
 
ADORAZ said:
#22 Utah State lost to a bad UNLV team. #23 Georgia and #25 Baylor also lost, which isn't ideal for our resume, but does mean we'll almost certainly be ranked with a win at Seton Hall. Only way we won't be ranked on Monday is if a lot of solid unranked teams upset ranked teams this weekend.
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Mizzou beat top five Florida @ their place, so that’s one
 
2024 KPI -- #32 in the country
2023 KPI -- #71

Interesting to see the differences so far this year. Judging by last year's committee, we should be looking at KPI more than NET or Kenpom since they weighed it significantly more.

Last year's Creighton win at home is our strongest win of the Pitino era, but New Mexico and Xavier wins this year are behind that. The Georgetown win this year is behind @Villanova/@Butler (!!!)/Seton Hall BET last year.

That said, the losses are also a big difference. Our losses combine this year are -.063. The Michigan loss alone was -.418 and BC was -.108. They were also not too kind about the Xavier and Seton Hall losses either.

This year, Seton Hall's KPI rank is 228. If that holds, they would be close to Georgetown last year (233). Xavier is 82 (BC was 85). Providence is 107 (North Texas was 111).

Just gotta keep stacking these wins and be ready for a tough February stretch.
 
Jack Williams said:
glad to see teams like Pittsburgh go on a losing streak (now have lost 3 straight). Just rooting against all of the teams that are hovering around us in the metrics and Pitt is one of them (sorry carmine)
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Why did you have to poke Carmine like that?

And can you do it again sometime soon? Because the ACC is trash (except for Duke, which is legit but let's see how freshmen do the the tournament).
 
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