2024-25 Rankings

bucketshardy said:
I would consider their 20 pt loss to Notre Dame to be a stain on their resume... but with ND being around 100 in the NET... guess that falls into Quad 2 territory... They have no OOC victories of note, same as us, however they do own a better Win than us by blowing out Creighton at home.

Facts of the matter are... with the failure of the BE in the OOC part of the schedule... if we don't manage 2 wins over Marq/UConn- i think we are looking at a 2 bid League.

Last year- what stood out to me - we owned 1 win over a Tournament team. I think that is a good measure of whether a bubble team gets in, which is what we look like right now.
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Yeah it was a bad OOC for the conference, no question, but if you're the Big East and you're trying to maximize your seed lines and number of teams, then conference play has gone very well so far. Looking at teams with at least a .500 BE record:

Marquette 4-0 - remains a contender for #1/2 seed
UConn 3-0 - remains a contender for #1/2 seed
Georgetown 3-0
St. John's 3-1
Villanova 3-1
Creighton 2-2

Nova for instance has a NET of #51, they're very much in play for a bid. All 6 of those teams have a realistic shot, it's not like last year when a terrible Seton Hall team finished 4th, this year to the contrary they are 0-3.

If you're the conference office and given the option to "redo" the OOC and BE play games, then you redo the OOC results 10/10 times and keep BE play results 10/10 times. BE play results haven't been perfect, but realistically they're about as good as the conference could hope for. Zero slip ups vs. bad teams. Plus, at least one team getting a #1 or 2 seed I'd say is even more important than getting an additional bubble team in, and so far the top has dominated. To your point a team like St. John's may need to beat them at least once to earn a bid, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Finally, those 6 teams are most critical for the Big East's success long-term, they're our most valuable properties, so it's great they're all off to strong BE starts.
 
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ADORAZ said:
Yeah it was a bad OOC for the conference, no question, but if you're the Big East and you're trying to maximize your seed lines and number of teams, then conference play has gone very well so far. Looking at teams with at least a .500 BE record:

Marquette 4-0 - remains a contender for #1/2 seed
UConn 3-0 - remains a contender for #1/2 seed
Georgetown 3-0
St. John's 3-1
Villanova 3-1
Creighton 2-2

Nova for instance has a NET of #51, they're very much in play for a bid. All 6 of those teams have a realistic shot, it's not like last year when a terrible Seton Hall team finished 4th, this year to the contrary they are 0-3.

If you're the conference office and given the option to "redo" the OOC and BE play games, then you redo the OOC results 10/10 times and keep BE play results 10/10 times. BE play results haven't been perfect, but realistically they're about as good as the conference could hope for. Zero slip ups vs. bad teams. Plus, at least one team getting a #1 or 2 seed I'd say is even more important than getting an additional bubble team in, and so far the top has dominated. To your point a team like St. John's may need to beat them at least once to earn a bid, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Finally, those 6 teams are most critical for the Big East's success long-term, they're our most valuable properties, so it's great they're all off to strong BE starts.
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Finally, those 6 teams are most critical for the Big East's success long-term, they're our most valuable properties, so it's great they're all off to strong BE starts.

ADORAZ, I would replace Creighton with DePaul in order of importance for the conference. New York, Philadelphia, DC and Chicago are the Big East’s biggest markets. UConn will be UConn and Shaka has Marquette humming. But, if St. John’s, Villanova, Georgetown and DePaul are all very good it will benefit the conference more than having a Xavier , Creighton or Providence being very good. We want all our teams to be good but especially with the power football conferences controlling everything, The Big East needs their biggest market teams to be very good. It would help immensely when it comes to generating revenue also.
 
Mean Gene said:
Finally, those 6 teams are most critical for the Big East's success long-term, they're our most valuable properties, so it's great they're all off to strong BE starts.

ADORAZ, I would replace Creighton with DePaul in order of importance for the conference. New York, Philadelphia, DC and Chicago are the Big East’s biggest markets. UConn will be UConn and Shaka has Marquette humming. But, if St. John’s, Villanova, Georgetown and DePaul are all very good it will benefit the conference more than having a Xavier , Creighton or Providence being very good. We want all our teams to be good but especially with the power football conferences controlling everything, The Big East needs their biggest market teams to be very good. It would help immensely when it comes to generating revenue also.
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That's a fair point, I was going to add at the end that Creighton is the only team I would potentially sub out, with DePaul being the main one, but the post was getting too long.

Regardless, we're in agreement that #1-5 are our strongest brands, and maybe #6 Creighton could be replaced with DePaul. We're never going to have perfect results with the Big East standings, but this year the top half is arguably the most ideal it's been in forever. Again, not counting OOC which we can't do anything about, just that BE results have been beneficial thus far and will hopefully continue to benefit the conference until Selection Sunday.
 
tom in salem said:
#9 seed on bracketmatrix.
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Mean Gene said:
Finally, those 6 teams are most critical for the Big East's success long-term, they're our most valuable properties, so it's great they're all off to strong BE starts.

ADORAZ, I would replace Creighton with DePaul in order of importance for the conference. New York, Philadelphia, DC and Chicago are the Big East’s biggest markets. UConn will be UConn and Shaka has Marquette humming. But, if St. John’s, Villanova, Georgetown and DePaul are all very good it will benefit the conference more than having a Xavier , Creighton or Providence being very good. We want all our teams to be good but especially with the power football conferences controlling everything, The Big East needs their biggest market teams to be very good. It would help immensely when it comes to generating revenue also.
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Understand the markets so good point. As a program Creighton still helps the conference with their commitment. Kind of like Gonzaga.
 
mattc said:
As doom and gloom as it feels, we’re still 12-3 (3-1) with 16 conference games remaining, plus the BET. We don’t have a bad loss. Everything is still right in front of us. Let’s see take it one game at a time.
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I'm not doom and gloom at all. The shooting has to improve. I think it will. Lots of other stuff to feel good about. The beauty of defense and offensive rebounding is that it travels and you can bring that every night.
 
Rankings at the end of the week:

KenPom: 23
BartTorvik: 26
Haslam: 28
EvanMiya: 26

Also, another interesting feature on BartTorvik's site is the "Similar Profiles" one that compares current teams to their closest match of all teams since 2008 by adjusted offense, defense, tempo etc.

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Compare Efficiency Profiles - Customizable College Basketball Tempo Free Stats - T-Rank

T-Rank College Basketball Ratings and Rankings. And fun.
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We obviously don't deserve to be ranked, but we'll still receive a decent number of points in the AP update today. Should give a good indicator as to how many weeks we'd need to go undefeated this month to earn a number.
 
AP Rankings 1/6/25:
#7 Marquette (+1)
#9 UConn (+2)
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#31 St. John's (-3) - 27 points
#42 Georgetown - 1 point
#42 Xavier - 1 point

Last week we were #28 with 98 points. Not that bad of a drop, especially in terms of our place in the voting. I think we should recover most points with a 2-0 week, and certainly would be ranked before the end of January if we keep winning.

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NCAA College Basketball Rankings: AP Top 25 Basketball Poll

The official page for the AP Top 25 men's college basketball poll. Keep up to date and view the latest NCAA men's basketball ranking updates each week for the 2023-24 season.
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MugCostanza said:




Something to consider when obsessing over the AP poll each Monday
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It's a joke how little so many of the AP voters care about their own ballots or even college basketball in general, but ultimately it evens out. If a guy totally whiffs on a team one week the other ~60 voters will offset one ballot. None of them are 100% throwing darts at a wall, at a minimum they're copy/pasting the overall AP ballot, KenPom, NET, etc. with a few changes mixed in.

It's definitely FAR from a perfect list, but it does a solid job of picking which 25 teams deserve recognition each week. For St. John's they've been fair to us this year. Two weeks ranked before The Bahamas and the others RV is exactly where we belong, and we're one play from being ranked.

Some of the AP voters need to lose their vote, but that also has no bearing on our lack of representation in the poll the past couple months. If we don't reach the AP Top 25 again this season we'll probably be sweating on Selection Sunday, not because the Selection Committee cares about the AP vote (they don't), but because it'd mean we simply weren't a very good team. They'll put us back in when we're a legit Top 25 team, and my expectation is to reach that again this season.
 
lawmanfan said:
The BE is currently a two-bid league. Probably up to SJU or Creighton to get it to 3.
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Where are all of the more deserving teams? So much always depends on bid stealers so way too early to speculate. And while the sec looks loaded, will they still get 10 even 12 teams in? I doubt it.
 
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