We will freak out on our own freak out schedules, if you don't mind. Seems like some have a 365 24/7 freak out schedule.
2024-25 Rankings
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We will freak out on our own freak out schedules, if you don't mind. Seems like some have a 365 24/7 freak out schedule.
People who looked at St Johns 32 NET ranking and properly surmised that if NET ranking was the only variable considered they would mathematically have been in the field as an at large. Two things killed STJ last year. Too many bid stealers and the committee's woody for the Mountain West, and the B12 to a lesser extent, over the Big East.
Another one where we are right in that range is KPI, where we are ranked #20 currently. It's one of the metrics the selection committee uses and I think it helped spoil our tourney chances last year since we were in the 70s in KPI last year.
KPI really values wins (we lost a lot of close games last year which didn't hurt our NET so much as it destroyed our KPI). It lists our strongest win this year as the win against Providence and our worst game as the lost against Baylor. The win against Delaware this week was worth + .102, for example, whereas the close loss to a pretty strong Baylor team was worth -.051. I don't personally think it's the most reliable metric (i.e., I don't think the game against Providence was our best basketball, I don't think that Memphis is the # 1 team in the country) but it shows how good that somewhat ugly win against Providence was for us not just in the BE standings, but also in terms of helping us with a key metric.
The major football conferences are looking to dominate the process and create as much revenue for themselves and their schools as they possibly can. While some view last year as an anomaly for The Big East I view it as a window into the future. The committee will look for any reason to put a power football conference team in and leave a non power conference school out. I firmly believe that there’s a good chance that any Big East team that’s not ranked at the end of the season will not make the tournament. Maybe one extra team to give the Big East three bids maximum. I might be reading this wrong and I will gladly eat my humble pie should that be the case, but I don’t think so. We have to have the type of season that gives the committee no choice but to put us in.
You see Guinness, I didn’t use the word “if” once.
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Nm.
Should have been posted in the Creighton thread
Should have been posted in the Creighton thread
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Tom in Salem might be setting an all time redmen.com record for most misinformation spread in a single season. We are seeing juiced up barry bonds level of production
The major football conferences are looking to dominate the process and create as much revenue for themselves and their schools as they possibly can. While some view last year as an anomaly for The Big East I view it as a window into the future. The committee will look for any reason to put a power football conference team in and leave a non power conference school out. I firmly believe that there’s a good chance that any Big East team that’s not ranked at the end of the season will not make the tournament. Maybe one extra team to give the Big East three bids maximum. I might be reading this wrong and I will gladly eat my humble pie should that be the case, but I don’t think so. We have to have the type of season that gives the committee no choice but to put us in.
You see Guinness, I didn’t use the word “if” once.
I do agree that there are some concerns about football money, just look at the SEC's dominance this year, but I think the NCAA selection bias has been way overblown.
The Big East deserved a 4th team last year given we had 3 teams firmly on the bubble, but the general consensus on Bracket Matrix prior to the bracket reveal was only 3 BE teams, with St. John's being the first team out. Overall the Big East just didn't have good enough representation advocating for a 4th team. If anything the Committee's bias against St. John's was most concerning to me since we weren't even in the First Four Out (unlike Hall) and there wasn't a consistent reason why certain teams got in over us. Did they not like Pitino's comments throughout the year, or was it just bad luck? I'm not sure.
That being said I definitely don't think Big East teams need to finish Top 25. Would Big East teams right on the bubble need to be more concerned than a Power football team right on the bubble? Perhaps, that's debatable, but if a Big East team is a projected 8 seed for example (not Top 25) I absolutely wouldn't worry about it. Hopefully the Johnnies finish strong enough that we won't even need to think about this on Selection Sunday.
ADORAZ, you would know better than me, probably without even checking, but how did the Big East’s OOC results last year compare to their OOC results this year? This year they weren’t great and I feel the committee will definitely try to use that against us in order to put more power conference teams in.
Big East did better OOC last year, another 3 bid year unfortunately is a real possibility (that's the current projection). Last year we got really unlucky with the placement of teams during conference play. UConn, Marquette, and Creighton dominated and got high seeds. Seton Hall was fourth but they had a really bad OOC (4 Ls and 0 solid Ws) and just missed out. If like 5 other teams finished 4th like Hall did they would've made it easily. In January we were looking at like 5-7 bids, but the conference standings ended up strongly working against us. Hopefully this year we'll have more luck and get 4 teams in at least.
tom in salem
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And this sheet, which I posted before, shows us 5-9.
College basketball rankings: Top 68 teams in NET ratings as 2024 NCAA Tournament approaches
Where do the top college basketball teams sit in the NET rankings ahead of March Madness?
247sports.com
I made no attempt to deceive, just posted what I found.
Thank you. That’s how I see it also.
No worries. I'm just going by the info that the selection committee uses. But, that article was dated March 7th which was before the end of the regular season. The NET rankings and quad designations are a "living document" that changes with each game.And this sheet, which I posted before, shows us 5-9.
College basketball rankings: Top 68 teams in NET ratings as 2024 NCAA Tournament approaches
Where do the top college basketball teams sit in the NET rankings ahead of March Madness?
I made no attempt to deceive, just posted what I found.
tom in salem
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What's even more weird is they had them playing one more game on an earlier date. Oh, good news is Kansas St. is up to #88 on Ken Pom after today's win.
It can happen because teams can move up to Q1 from Q2 or fall from Q1 to Q2.
NYC REDMEN
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This thread is quite entertaining hearing so many SJU fans bug out about how we need to perform to perfection to get in. The committee screwed us last year plain and simple thy put in wayyy too many Mountain West and screwed a bunch of schools including us. Relaxxxx take it a game at a time enjoy this talented team it’s the best we’ve had in probably a decade…We will easily have 8 Quad 1/2 Wins on the resume. Practice those dance moves GO REDMEN
tom in salem
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Dropped to #33 in NET.
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We are 7th in private school...11 of Top 50 / 31 of top 100 are private.Dropped to #33 in NET.
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Marquette & Gonzaga are exceptions. Duke, Baylor, SMU & Northwestern have $ &/or football.
Amazing what Shaka's rrcruit & retain approach has done. Pitino's two freshman (Sim & Brady) are 1.5 years in and not where we'd hoped.
tom in salem
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Notre Dame & Boston College have football and $ and sucks balls at hoop.
Dropping 4 spots for losing to #65 (previously #70) Creighton on the road by 1... not a terrible drop or anything, but NET remains harsher on our program than other analytics sites.
Was hoping this team would be a consistent Top 25 program this year, they're obviously more than capable of it, but can't be one until you win the close ones. Looking forward, we don't play a ranked team until February 4 and would probably have to go undefeated in January to be ranked this month. Kind of a boring month, but if we can take advantage of it by winning a minimum of 5/7 games then that'd set up for some massive games next month.
Was hoping this team would be a consistent Top 25 program this year, they're obviously more than capable of it, but can't be one until you win the close ones. Looking forward, we don't play a ranked team until February 4 and would probably have to go undefeated in January to be ranked this month. Kind of a boring month, but if we can take advantage of it by winning a minimum of 5/7 games then that'd set up for some massive games next month.