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December 30th Seeding Predictions

1 Seed: Tennessee, Auburn, Duke, Iowa State 2 Seed: Alabama, Florida, Kansas, Marquette 3 Seed: Oregon, Baylor, Kentucky, Connecticut 4 Seed: UCLA, Texas A&M, Houston, Purdue 5 Seed: Gonza…
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I just saw a stat that teams in the SEC and the Big 10 make up half of the Top 50 in the NET. The bulk of the At-Large bids are going to those two conferences. We better finish Top 3 in the Big East or win The Big East Tournament or we’re cooked!! Big East might only be a two bid league if they don’t watch out.
 
The big 10 has 4 in the 40s who will drop rapidly as they face the 8 teams ranked higher. That said it's not unreasonable to expect 14 or 15 at large bids of the 36 to those two megaconferences and quite a few bids to the big 12. But there will be some cannibalization. Still gonna be a tough year. ACC might get only 2 or 3 at large bids as well.
 
Mean Gene said:
I just saw a stat that teams in the SEC and the Big 10 make up half of the Top 50 in the NET. The bulk of the At-Large bids are going to those two conferences. We better finish Top 3 in the Big East or win The Big East Tournament or we’re cooked!! Big East might only be a two bid league if they don’t watch out.
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There are only so many teams that can get in from one conference. They are not going to invite a team that is 7-13 in conference. Have to root for the top teams in each league to take care of business to help suppress the records of the middle of each conference.
 
The Big East controls its own destiny, in order to get at least 4 bids (with mostly strong seeds) we just need the top 4 teams to: 1. separate themselves from the rest of the conference and 2. not have had terrible OOC (like 4th place Seton Hall last year).

So far we have Marquette, Georgetown, UConn, and St. John's in the top 4 spots. All of them had at least solid OOC performances, and they're a combined 12-1. The one loss was to another potential bubble team (Creighton).

The Big East did have a pretty mediocre OOC, but thus far conference play has been beneficial.
 
ADORAZ said:
The Big East controls its own destiny, in order to get at least 4 bids (with mostly strong seeds) we just need the top 4 teams to: 1. separate themselves from the rest of the conference and 2. not have had terrible OOC (like 4th place Seton Hall last year).

So far we have Marquette, Georgetown, UConn, and St. John's in the top 4 spots. All of them had at least solid OOC performances, and they're a combined 12-1. The one loss was to another potential bubble team (Creighton).

The Big East did have a pretty mediocre OOC, but thus far conference play has been beneficial.
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Georgetown is now 75th on the NET this morning among all BIG EAST teams . Based on who they have remaining, they're most certainly dead in the water. Marquette (9) and yukon (13) are in for certain but 3rd place St. John's (38) has put themselves in a pickle. Every other school is 60 and below, making it difficult to accumulate points defeating the bottom 8. Those Marquette and yukon games are now imperative.
Quad 1 Quad 2 Quad 3 Quad 4
99MarquetteBig East13-24-23-02-04-0
1312UConnBig East11-33-23-10-05-0
3836St. John's (NY)Big East11-30-32-03-06-0
6057XavierBig East9-60-61-01-07-0
6161VillanovaBig East9-51-21-21-16-0
6264CreightonBig East9-61-52-12-04-0
7577GeorgetownBig East12-20-12-02-18-0
7879ButlerBig East7-72-41-10-14-1
8888ProvidenceBig East7-70-22-41-14-0
9090DePaulBig East9-50-40-01-18-0
199189Seton HallBig East5-9
 
tom in salem said:
Georgetown is now 75th on the NET this morning among all BIG EAST teams . Based on who they have remaining, they're most certainly dead in the water. Marquette (9) and yukon (13) are in for certain but 3rd place St. John's (38) has put themselves in a pickle. Every other school is 60 and below, making it difficult to accumulate points defeating the bottom 8. Those Marquette and yukon games are now imperative.
Quad 1 Quad 2 Quad 3 Quad 4
99MarquetteBig East13-24-23-02-04-0
1312UConnBig East11-33-23-10-05-0
3836St. John's (NY)Big East11-30-32-03-06-0
6057XavierBig East9-60-61-01-07-0
6161VillanovaBig East9-51-21-21-16-0
6264CreightonBig East9-61-52-12-04-0
7577GeorgetownBig East12-20-12-02-18-0
7879ButlerBig East7-72-41-10-14-1
8888ProvidenceBig East7-70-22-41-14-0
9090DePaulBig East9-50-40-01-18-0
199189Seton HallBig East5-9
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Yeah I mean UConn, Marquette and St. John's were the only 3 teams with good OOCs. Georgetown may not be the most ideal option for a 4th spot, their schedule was pretty weak, but unlike most BE teams they didn't have any bad losses. We got into the Tournament with a NET around #72 in Mullin's final year (a NET that high doesn't automatically disqualify teams and they can still improve it), so Georgetown definitely can get in if they get some big wins in conference and finish top 4. Not saying it's likely, but as of now they remain a contender.
 
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ADORAZ said:
Yeah I mean UConn, Marquette and St. John's were the only 3 teams with good OOCs. Georgetown may not be the most ideal option for a 4th spot, their schedule was pretty weak, but unlike most BE teams they didn't have any bad losses. We got into the Tournament with a NET around #72 in Mullin's final year (a NET that high doesn't automatically disqualify teams and they can still improve it), so Georgetown definitely can get in if they get some big wins in conference and finish top 4. Not saying it's likely, but as of now they remain a contender.
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''yukon, Marquette and St. John's were the only 3 teams with good OOCs?'' Heck no, don't count us. Marquette has played 6 Quad 1 opponents, yukon has played 5. Xavier, Creighton and Butler have all played 6 Quad 1 opponents, while DePaul as played 4. We have played 3, more than only Providence and Georgetown. There's a reason we're a projected 9 seed on most brackets.
 
tom in salem said:
''yukon, Marquette and St. John's were the only 3 teams with good OOCs?'' Heck no, don't count us. Marquette has played 6 Quad 1 opponents, yukon has played 5. Xavier, Creighton and Butler have all played 6 Quad 1 opponents, while DePaul as played 4. We have played 3, more than only Providence and Georgetown. There's a reason we're a projected 9 seed on most brackets.
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I said good, not great. Top 40ish NET I'd consider "good enough". We had the third best OOC in the conference.

I'm not defending the conference at all, it did poorly OOC by major conference standards, I'm just saying what needs to happen for us to get at least 3-4 teams in. Part of that is St. John's needs to be top 3-4 in conference, and so far that has happened.
 
ADORAZ said:
I said good, not great. Top 40ish NET I'd consider "good enough". We had the third best OOC in the conference.

I'm not defending the conference at all, it did poorly OOC by major conference standards, I'm just saying what needs to happen for us to get at least 3-4 teams in. Part of that is St. John's needs to be top 3-4 in conference, and so far that has happened.
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ADORAZ said:
I said good, not great. Top 40ish NET I'd consider "good enough". We had the third best OOC in the conference.

I'm not defending the conference at all, it did poorly OOC by major conference standards, I'm just saying what needs to happen for us to get at least 3-4 teams in. Part of that is St. John's needs to be top 3-4 in conference, and so far that has happened.
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Have to admit I am feeling pretty negatively today as for the most part the teams we beat are looking worse than I thought.

Providence was killed at home by Marquette. DePaul who we beat by 29 is down close to 40 at Nova. New Mexico needed a last section shot to beat a struggling Nevada team last night at home.

Georgia is hanging in at Ole Miss which would be a nice win if they could get it.

Anyway we can’t afford not to play our absolute best going forward or we will be in the same spot as last year.
 
Oh well - Ole Miss put away Georgia rather easily when it mattered.
 
Andrew said:
Have to admit I am feeling pretty negatively today as for the most part the teams we beat are looking worse than I thought.

Providence was killed at home by Marquette. DePaul who we beat by 29 is down close to 40 at Nova. New Mexico needed a last section shot to beat a struggling Nevada team last night at home.

Georgia is hanging in at Ole Miss which would be a nice win if they could get it.

Anyway we can’t afford not to play our absolute best going forward or we will be in the same spot as last year.
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Yeah, the board has understandably been negative the last few days and recent results from our previous opponents haven't helped. Beat Butler today, especially by a large margin, and the optimism will (mostly) return.
 
ADORAZ said:
Yeah, the board has understandably been negative the last few days and recent results from our previous opponents haven't helped. Beat Butler today, especially by a large margin, and the optimism will (mostly) return.
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Beating Xavier at their great environment will positively influence my opinion of this team rather than beating a team w seven losses in a row.
 
paultzman said:
Beating Xavier at their great environment will positively influence my opinion of this team rather than beating a team w seven losses in a row.
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Yeah today's performance didn't exactly inspire confidence, but regardless it's always good to put a loss behind us and start a new winning streak. Butler lost to the top two Big East teams by 10 on the road (Marquette) and 4 at home (UConn), so it wasn't a guaranteed W today. I agree about Xavier being a great test (likely to remain Q1). It's the type of game we need to win if we want to relax on Selection Sunday.
 
Interesting stat, the top two NET teams with a .500 or worse record?

#78 Butler (7-7 - now 7-8)
#88 Providence (7-7)

This includes all conferences, and of course we beat both teams. Those are decent NET rankings (NIT range or close to it). Also, Xavier has a mediocre 9-6 record but a NET of #60.

Point being, as fans we look at these teams and their records and expect to destroy them, but they're better teams than their records indicate.

Butler beat Northwestern. They beat SMU. They beat #17 Mississippi St. They have two Q1 wins and a lot of their losses were close, which is why their NET is solid despite a losing record.

Most of the Big East teams this year were pretty unlucky OOC with a ton of close losses, St. John's included. These teams are much better than their record indicates and we're not going to blow them out. If we can beat Xavier (by any margin) then we can all feel pretty good about our start to Big East play.
 
ADORAZ said:
Yeah I mean UConn, Marquette and St. John's were the only 3 teams with good OOCs. Georgetown may not be the most ideal option for a 4th spot, their schedule was pretty weak, but unlike most BE teams they didn't have any bad losses....
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I would consider their 20 pt loss to Notre Dame to be a stain on their resume... but with ND being around 100 in the NET... guess that falls into Quad 2 territory... They have no OOC victories of note, same as us, however they do own a better Win than us by blowing out Creighton at home.

Facts of the matter are... with the failure of the BE in the OOC part of the schedule... if we don't manage 2 wins over Marq/UConn- i think we are looking at a 2 bid League.

Last year- what stood out to me - we owned 1 win over a Tournament team. I think that is a good measure of whether a bubble team gets in, which is what we look like right now.
 
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