2024-25 Rankings

RedStormNC said:
Its ceremonial, but while it still exists and gets lot of attention, it's relevant and matters whether you disagree or just won't admit.

You're way off on the age of voters too.
Click a few profiles. Avg age based on visuals is probably 40 or less.

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That surprises me. People I know get all their info on the computer. I get all my basketball info from Twitter. Listen to my kids too much I guess. Well you taught me a valuable lesson here and I appreciate that. Go Johnnies.
 
A college basketball season is a season, and if the only thing that matters to a person is a one and done tournament in March the AP rankings do not matter. No argument from me. But if you actually care about the three month season it’s logical to care about the published and publicly accepted rankings. It’s all what you value - no right or wrong answer here.

I will ask a question for the tournament obsessed. Do teams in the final AP Top 25 regularly get left out of the field? I ask because if the answer is no it seems like a good place to be, even though it is not used by the committee as a tool (if you don’t know yet they use a blindfold and dartboard and when finished make up some “metrics” that fit their dart throwing results.)
 
My take on college basketball rankings:

I could care less about preseason rankings. They mean absolutely diddly squat which is less than nothing.

I could barely care less about rankings in November and December. As I said when we were ranked earlier (and was called Major Buzz Kill), let’s see if we can manage to stay there, we didn’t. Rankings then might mean more than preseason but not a whole lot more.

I start to pay attention to rankings in January where the major conference teams usually have at least two conference games under their belt and the conference schedule is now in full swing. That’s when it really starts to matter. Everything prior is just internet fodder.
 
Mean Gene said:
Our NET did nothing to help us get in last year. I bet if we were ranked to end the season last year with the same NET that we had the committee would have had to put us in.
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There's a damn good reason we weren't ranked last year. They were called Michigan and Boston College. An get over the ranking and follow the NET. You'll sleep better.
 
In year 2 of Pitino era, we have work to do, but how can anyone not be optimistic about our chances to get a Dance bid and make noise there if key guys stay healthy?

Matt, staff & Rick did nice job retooling this year in portal, added a couple of young foreign players with potential & a local solid guy for the future. We also seem positioned well in BE. If Pitino gets us to top 3 in league, the Big East Tourney semis w good chance for finals and has some success in Dance, you have to give Shanley a game ball.

No sense worrying about post Pitino times, just enjoy the ride. I never thought we’d be in this position to succeed so quickly, warts and all.
 
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paultzman said:
In year 2 of Pitino era, we have work to do, but how can anyone not be optimistic about our chances to get a Dance bid and make noise there if key guys stay healthy?

Matt, staff & Rick did nice job retooling this year in portal, added a couple of young foreign players with potential & a local solid guy for the future. We alsoseem poisoned well in BE. If Pitino gets us to top 3 in league, the Big East Tourney semis w good chance for finals and has some success in Dance, you have to give Shanley a game ball.

No sense worrying about post Pitino times, just enjoy the ride. I never thought we’d be in this position to succeed so quickly, warts and all.
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Also, Rick’s own joy has come a long way since “most unenjoyable experience of my life”.

I know to not get caught up in Rick speak but I do think STJ fans made a very positive impression on him at the Bahamas, he’s finally learning the big picture idea of his team’s identity (“st John’s man”), and most importantly, he sees that there’s a strong infrastructure in place to get the guys he needs to succeed. It’s clear as day he likes this team and guys, and clearly believes in them.

If Rick is happy and healthy, no reason to not be optimistic about future years
 
tom in salem said:
There's a damn good reason we weren't ranked last year. They were called Michigan and Boston College. A get over the ranking and follow the NET. You'll sleep better.
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I don’t disagree with you Tom. That’s not my point. My point is that, if we had the same NET we had last year but we were ranked 24th to end the season we would have made the tournament, hypothetically. That’s all I’m saying. Being ranked matters. If you’re ranked to end the season there’s no way the committee is not giving you an At-large bid.
 
SJUWillRockNYC said:
Net didn't mean Jack s* come Tournament time, being ranked means more.
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Don't shoot the messenger.
Key points about NET rankings:
  • Full name: NCAA Evaluation Tool

  • Importance in March: As the NCAA tournament nears, the NET ranking becomes increasingly important for determining which teams make the tournament and where they are seeded.

  • Factors considered: NET takes into account not just wins and losses but also strength of schedule, game location, and offensive/defensive efficiency.

"More come March" refers to a team's NET ranking being more important than their overall ranking as the NCAA basketball tournament approaches in March, as the NET ranking is the primary metric used by the selection committee to determine tournament seeding and is considered a more accurate measure of a team's strength based on their schedule and quality of wins compared to a simple ranking.
 
tom in salem said:
Don't shoot the messenger.
Key points about NET rankings:
  • Full name: NCAA Evaluation Tool

  • Importance in March: As the NCAA tournament nears, the NET ranking becomes increasingly important for determining which teams make the tournament and where they are seeded.

  • Factors considered: NET takes into account not just wins and losses but also strength of schedule, game location, and offensive/defensive efficiency.

"More come March" refers to a team's NET ranking being more important than their overall ranking as the NCAA basketball tournament approaches in March, as the NET ranking is the primary metric used by the selection committee to determine tournament seeding and is considered a more accurate measure of a team's strength based on their schedule and quality of wins compared to a simple ranking.
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Based on this we should have made it last year but we didn’t because they’re full of shit! They will do whatever they can to put as many power football conference teams in as they can regardless of your NET or anything else. If you’re ranked to end the season there is no way in hell that the committee can not give you an At-large bid. If you’re not ranked and you’re not from a power football conference they will do whatever they can to screw you. We saw that last year.
 
Mean Gene said:
Based on this we should have made it last year but we didn’t because they’re full of shit! They will do whatever they can to put as many power football conference teams in as they can regardless of your NET or anything else. If you’re ranked to end the season there is no way in hell that the committee can not give you an At-large bid. If you’re not ranked and you’re not from a power football conference they will do whatever they can to screw you. We saw that last year.
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If I'm not mistaken didn't we have the best NET ever to not make the tournament last season (or close to it)?
 
Mean Gene said:
I don’t disagree with you Tom. That’s not my point. My point is that, if we had the same NET we had last year but we were ranked 24th to end the season we would have made the tournament, hypothetically. That’s all I’m saying. Being ranked matters. If you’re ranked to end the season there’s no way the committee is not giving you an At-large bid.
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No, being ranked in March in college basketball does not guarantee a bid to the NCAA tournament, as the selection committee considers a variety of factors beyond just rankings when deciding on at-large bids, including strength of schedule, win-loss record, and performance in conference tournaments; while a high ranking in March significantly increases the chances of a bid, it is not a guaranteed spot.
matmi03 said:
If I'm not mistaken didn't we have the best NET ever to not make the tournament last season (or close to it)?
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I think we were close as you mention and what was really bizarre is I recall we finished 5h, right behind Seton Hall, who also got passed over.
 
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tom in salem said:
No, being ranked in March in college basketball does not guarantee a bid to the NCAA tournament, as the selection committee considers a variety of factors beyond just rankings when deciding on at-large bids, including strength of schedule, win-loss record, and performance in conference tournaments; while a high ranking in March significantly increases the chances of a bid, it is not a guaranteed spot.

I think we were close as you mention and what was really bizarre is I recall we finished 5h, right behind Seton Hall, who also got passed over.
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This is some of the silliest stuff I've seen. It's great that you and your kids are so into metrics whatever the hell that means, but the only important point imho is if we go 14-6 in the BE we won't have a worry in the world and there is no reason we can't do that.
 
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