2020 Jets

[quote="Jack Williams" post=400462][URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjet...t_challenges_the_idea_that_trevor/?utm_source[/URL]=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Zaun this guys take might put your mind at ease a little bit. He makes some very valid points[/quote]

There's no way to know what Lawrence will do at this point, but its hard to listen to the audio clip of him discussing the draft/returning to school and not conclude that he was very politely trying to leave his options open.
Clearly he's not committed to coming out this year, and that is at least somewhat of a reflection on his likely landing spot(s).
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=400471][quote="Jack Williams" post=400462][URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjet...t_challenges_the_idea_that_trevor/?utm_source[/URL]=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Zaun this guys take might put your mind at ease a little bit. He makes some very valid points[/quote]

There's no way to know what Lawrence will do at this point, but its hard to listen to the audio clip of him discussing the draft/returning to school and not conclude that he was very politely trying to leave his options open.
Clearly he's not committed to coming out this year, and that is at least somewhat of a reflection on his likely landing spot(s).[/quote]

Just because you don't remember an injury like that, you can't tell me the possibility of it happening isn't there.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=400473][quote="SJUFAN2" post=400471][quote="Jack Williams" post=400462][URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjet...t_challenges_the_idea_that_trevor/?utm_source[/URL]=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Zaun this guys take might put your mind at ease a little bit. He makes some very valid points[/quote]

There's no way to know what Lawrence will do at this point, but its hard to listen to the audio clip of him discussing the draft/returning to school and not conclude that he was very politely trying to leave his options open.
Clearly he's not committed to coming out this year, and that is at least somewhat of a reflection on his likely landing spot(s).[/quote]

Just because you don't remember an injury like that, you can't tell me the possibility of it happening isn't there.[/quote]Sure. You got me there. Its certainly possible.
Of course, its certainly possible that I could win Powerball this week. Should I start spending that money before I've even purchased the winning ticket?

What if his fear of the Jets is worse than his fear of a never-happened-before career ending injury and the huge insurance payout he'll undoubtedly get with it?
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=400479][quote="EliteBaller K" post=400473][quote="SJUFAN2" post=400471][quote="Jack Williams" post=400462][URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjet...t_challenges_the_idea_that_trevor/?utm_source[/URL]=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Zaun this guys take might put your mind at ease a little bit. He makes some very valid points[/quote]

There's no way to know what Lawrence will do at this point, but its hard to listen to the audio clip of him discussing the draft/returning to school and not conclude that he was very politely trying to leave his options open.
Clearly he's not committed to coming out this year, and that is at least somewhat of a reflection on his likely landing spot(s).[/quote]

Just because you don't remember an injury like that, you can't tell me the possibility of it happening isn't there.[/quote]Sure. You got me there. Its certainly possible.
Of course, its certainly possible that I could win Powerball this week. Should I start spending that money before I've even purchased the winning ticket?

What if his fear of the Jets is worse than his fear of a never-happened-before career ending injury and the huge insurance payout he'll undoubtedly get with it?[/quote]

In the end, it's his choice, he'll figure it out.
 
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I wouldn't commit to playing for a team with a beyond terrible coach and an owner who might not even have the testicular fortitude to fire him. We all assume Gase is getting fired, but until I see it, I'm sadly assuming that it's not happening.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=400497]I wouldn't commit to playing for a team with a beyond terrible coach and an owner who might not even have the testicular fortitude to fire him. We all assume Gase is getting fired, but until I see it, I'm sadly assuming that it's not happening.[/quote]

That's the scary part if I'm a Jets fan. Gase won the power struggle with McCagnan all of 18 months ago. He's had one draft and one FA signing period to teardown and rebuild the team in the manner he sold to ownership. I agree that Gase has given plenty of reasons for people to conclude he's not the answer, but 1 draft and 1 FA period are not a fair amount of time to judge someone on a rebuild. Ownership is going to look incompetent if they fire him so quickly. Are they willing to deal with that humiliation in order to make the right move?
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=400500][quote="L J S A" post=400497]I wouldn't commit to playing for a team with a beyond terrible coach and an owner who might not even have the testicular fortitude to fire him. We all assume Gase is getting fired, but until I see it, I'm sadly assuming that it's not happening.[/quote]

That's the scary part if I'm a Jets fan. Gase won the power struggle with McCagnan all of 18 months ago. He's had one draft and one FA signing period to teardown and rebuild the team in the manner he sold to ownership. I agree that Gase has given plenty of reasons for people to conclude he's not the answer, but 1 draft and 1 FA period are not a fair amount of time to judge someone on a rebuild. Ownership is going to look incompetent if they fire him so quickly. Are they willing to deal with that humiliation in order to make the right move?[/quote]
Going winless or just a terrible record aren't humiliating enough? Agree 1 draft and one FA period are not enough time to judge unless you see definitive signs of incompetence that gives you answers in an expedited fashion.
 
I have been a Jets fan for 45 years so I feel pretty comfortable saying I understand how they operate. They don't like to fire coaches during the season. With no fans in the stands they have very little external pressure to fire him. They value selling tickets. They know they can't sell tickets, when that is possible with Gase as coach so he will be fired when the season ends. As far as Gase not having enough time that is nonsense. Why he was hired I have no idea except they are the Jets. There is more than enough body of work on Gase to see he will not succeed as a head coach. His offenses have been among the worst in the league going back seven years. I believe he will have a difficult time getting another job in the NFL as anything more than a position coach and that is only because the NFL is still a league that hires people because someone likes them(supposedly Peyton Manning).

I agree with Jack as it relates to Lawrence. As bad an offensive team that the Jets have been there is still a lot of football to be played. I believe our defense is bad as well but I tend to agree with Williams that some of the problem is our offense. Our offense has been hands down the worst in the NFL while our defense is just mediocre. Lawrence isn't going to jump at saying I want to be a Jet. I have no idea if he would actually stay another year in school to avoid playing for the Jets but that is something we can worry about when the season ends. Perhaps Fields or the North Dakota State guy develop into better QB's. Mahomes and Lamar Jackson weren't considered "generational" talents and they look pretty good. Time will tell.
 
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Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=400511][quote="SJUFAN2" post=400500][quote="L J S A" post=400497]I wouldn't commit to playing for a team with a beyond terrible coach and an owner who might not even have the testicular fortitude to fire him. We all assume Gase is getting fired, but until I see it, I'm sadly assuming that it's not happening.[/quote]

That's the scary part if I'm a Jets fan. Gase won the power struggle with McCagnan all of 18 months ago. He's had one draft and one FA signing period to teardown and rebuild the team in the manner he sold to ownership. I agree that Gase has given plenty of reasons for people to conclude he's not the answer, but 1 draft and 1 FA period are not a fair amount of time to judge someone on a rebuild. Ownership is going to look incompetent if they fire him so quickly. Are they willing to deal with that humiliation in order to make the right move?[/quote]
Going winless or just a terrible record aren't humiliating enough? Agree 1 draft and one FA period are not enough time to judge unless you see definitive signs of incompetence that gives you answers in an expedited fashion.[/quote]

NFL Franchise rebuilds are like turning an aircraft carrier around: It takes time.
Having a bad season when you are rebuilding under new leadership is fairly common. Firing a guy you gave total control to 18 months ago, when you knew it was going to take time to flip the roster to fit his plan is going to come off as impulsive in NFL circles and be viewed as a sign of incompetent/impulsive/clueless ownership.

Not saying Gase deserves to stay, only that firing him is not going to be presenting an image of stability or direction for a franchise trying to convince a generational QB talent NOT to return to college in order to avoid playing for them.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=400521]Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.[/quote]

1) if he goes back to school he'll have a massive insurance policy for a career ending/threatening injury that could reduce or eliminate his NFL earning potential. Figure it will be for the amount covering the difference in guaranteed money from being the top pick vs any guaranteed money he gets for being undrafted or taken aster #1 overall.

2) Not all bad teams are created equal. Some are just in a down cycle and have the management, resources and desire to be great again. Some don't.

3) Are you suggesting he just shut up and play, and not use whatever leverage he has (not much) to get himself to a team he wants to play for?
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=400527][quote="Mike Zaun" post=400521]Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.[/quote]

1) if he goes back to school he'll have a massive insurance policy for a career ending/threatening injury that could reduce or eliminate his NFL earning potential. Figure it will be for the amount covering the difference in guaranteed money from being the top pick vs any guaranteed money he gets for being undrafted or taken aster #1 overall.

2) Not all bad teams are created equal. Some are just in a down cycle and have the management, resources and desire to be great again. Some don't.

3) Are you suggesting he just shut up and play, and not use whatever leverage he has (not much) to get himself to a team he wants to play for?[/quote]

So the Dolphins having five coaches in 10 years including two mid season firings shows stability? And the same one winning season as the Jets. Also you keep talking about how the Dolphins have created some monster team. They are 3-3 with a win against the Jets and Jaguars probably the two worst teams in the NFL. And Tua hasn't played a game in the NFL yet.
 
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[quote="Andrew" post=400534][quote="SJUFAN2" post=400527][quote="Mike Zaun" post=400521]Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.[/quote]

1) if he goes back to school he'll have a massive insurance policy for a career ending/threatening injury that could reduce or eliminate his NFL earning potential. Figure it will be for the amount covering the difference in guaranteed money from being the top pick vs any guaranteed money he gets for being undrafted or taken aster #1 overall.

2) Not all bad teams are created equal. Some are just in a down cycle and have the management, resources and desire to be great again. Some don't.

3) Are you suggesting he just shut up and play, and not use whatever leverage he has (not much) to get himself to a team he wants to play for?[/quote]

So the Dolphins having five coaches in 10 years including two mid season firings shows stability? And the same one winning season as the Jets. Also you keep talking about how the Dolphins have created some monster team. They are 3-3 with a win against the Jets and Jaguars probably the two worst teams in the NFL. And Tua hasn't played a game in the NFL yet.[/quote]

1) Just because my wife is ugly doesn't mean yours isn't even more hideous. :whistle:
2) Please show me where I said Miami had created a monster team. I'll wait...
3) God makes you uber-rich tomorrow and wants to give you an NFL football team. He says you can take one group (front office, HC, roster, and draft capital) from the 2020 Jets or 2020 Dolphins. You can slap the Green and White on them, call them the NY Jets and play in NJ next year. Find me 5 people who would take the Jets group over Miami's. I'll wait.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=400527][quote="Mike Zaun" post=400521]Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.[/quote]

1) if he goes back to school he'll have a massive insurance policy for a career ending/threatening injury that could reduce or eliminate his NFL earning potential. Figure it will be for the amount covering the difference in guaranteed money from being the top pick vs any guaranteed money he gets for being undrafted or taken aster #1 overall.

2) Not all bad teams are created equal. Some are just in a down cycle and have the management, resources and desire to be great again. Some don't.

3) Are you suggesting he just shut up and play, and not use whatever leverage he has (not much) to get himself to a team he wants to play for?[/quote]
Don't think he would be permitted to take out a "massive" injury insurance policy as I believe the NCAA limits expected top picks to 2-3 million dollars.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=400543][quote="SJUFAN2" post=400527][quote="Mike Zaun" post=400521]Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.[/quote]

1) if he goes back to school he'll have a massive insurance policy for a career ending/threatening injury that could reduce or eliminate his NFL earning potential. Figure it will be for the amount covering the difference in guaranteed money from being the top pick vs any guaranteed money he gets for being undrafted or taken aster #1 overall.

2) Not all bad teams are created equal. Some are just in a down cycle and have the management, resources and desire to be great again. Some don't.

3) Are you suggesting he just shut up and play, and not use whatever leverage he has (not much) to get himself to a team he wants to play for?[/quote]
Don't think he would be permitted to take out a "massive" injury insurance policy as I believe the NCAA limits expected top picks to 2-3 million dollars.[/quote]

OK, that's interesting. Do they prohibit him and his family from getting their own policy?
 
[quote="bamafan" post=400543][quote="SJUFAN2" post=400527][quote="Mike Zaun" post=400521]Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.[/quote]

1) if he goes back to school he'll have a massive insurance policy for a career ending/threatening injury that could reduce or eliminate his NFL earning potential. Figure it will be for the amount covering the difference in guaranteed money from being the top pick vs any guaranteed money he gets for being undrafted or taken aster #1 overall.

2) Not all bad teams are created equal. Some are just in a down cycle and have the management, resources and desire to be great again. Some don't.

3) Are you suggesting he just shut up and play, and not use whatever leverage he has (not much) to get himself to a team he wants to play for?[/quote]
Don't think he would be permitted to take out a "massive" injury insurance policy as I believe the NCAA limits expected top picks to 2-3 million dollars.[/quote]

OK, that's interesting but I think those limits are on the policies that the school can provide a player. Do they prohibit him and his family from getting their own policy?
 
with the money now no way would I come back. The cost of waiting even for 1 year for the number 1 pick when you factor in pay and endorsements I'd play anyone for that first contract
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=400549]with the money now no way would I come back. The cost of waiting even for 1 year for the number 1 pick when you factor in pay and endorsements I'd play anyone for that first contract[/quote]

If I was a RB/WR/TE I'd definitely agree with you. They make their living with their legs. One bad knee injury or broken leg/ankle and they might never be the same.

QB's are different.

If someone offered you $200m in career earnings and you had to live and work in Buffalo for the rest of your life, and someone else offered you $190m to live in San Diego...which job are you taking?
 
Can we get one thing clear... there will be nothing “humiliating” about the Jets parting ways with Gase after the season

He’s terrible. The jets weren’t supposed to be in a rebuild when they hired Gase, they were supposed to be an up and coming team with a young QB. Instead, all of our star players got out of dodge, citing Gase as a bad leader.

He has to go and he will go and no one will give the Jets a hard time for it

Is the Cleveland front office still writhing in pain and humiliation because they hired Freddie Kitchens? No, he was the wrong guy, they moved on and made a better hire, and are a better football team for it. And kitchens is hardly ever mentioned now and that was recent too
 
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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=400548][quote="bamafan" post=400543][quote="SJUFAN2" post=400527][quote="Mike Zaun" post=400521]Never want to see this obv, but imagine he tries to spurn the Jets at #1, stays at Clemson and suffers a career ending injury. Or one where he's never the same. May make kids be more grateful to be in the NFL at all regardless of the team that drafts you. I'm prob in the minority here, but I think it's a real dickish, diva move to refuse to come out because of the team that may draft you. Or if you pull an Eli. Making the NFL is every kid's dream...especially being picked 1st. Shouldn't matter which team it is...they will all suck at that pick. He could always give it a shot and force a trade if he hates it here. It's kind of like that show "My Super Sweet 16" on MTV where rich parents would buy their daughter an $80,000+ Range Rover and instead of being insanely grateful, she breaks down in tears because it's not the color she wanted.[/quote]

1) if he goes back to school he'll have a massive insurance policy for a career ending/threatening injury that could reduce or eliminate his NFL earning potential. Figure it will be for the amount covering the difference in guaranteed money from being the top pick vs any guaranteed money he gets for being undrafted or taken aster #1 overall.

2) Not all bad teams are created equal. Some are just in a down cycle and have the management, resources and desire to be great again. Some don't.

3) Are you suggesting he just shut up and play, and not use whatever leverage he has (not much) to get himself to a team he wants to play for?[/quote]
Don't think he would be permitted to take out a "massive" injury insurance policy as I believe the NCAA limits expected top picks to 2-3 million dollars.[/quote]

OK, that's interesting but I think those limits are on the policies that the school can provide a player. Do they prohibit him and his family from getting their own policy?[/quote]
Oops. I do remember the numbers I gave but total disability that prevents a player from ever playing football or basketball is 10 million, not what they would probably earn but still a tidy sum.
 
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