2019 Coaching Changes

[quote="Chicago Days" post=335869][quote="cappy105" post=335823]this is all sad because Mullin (I believe) came back for all the right reasons. He is and will always be the greatest johnnie to wear the uniform. he came back to restore the image and brand ( although i thought Lav was fine). Now, the experiment is over. Now that Matt is gone it will turn ugly. We say thank you to Mully for his efforts (no pun intended) but its time to revamp the staff starting with the top. Mully should go out on top. I improved every year argument and step down. He can use that for his next gig ( in cali I'm sure). Everyone saves face, now is the time. Mully leaves on his terms, leaves on a good note, and MC can bring in his own staff. The time is now ( or maybe once Duke gets knocked out) to start the changes. Just my opinion but i know for a fact MANY johnnie fans share my thoughts[/quote]

I agree with your sentiments, Cappy.
But I don’t see St. John’s having the ‘will’ or the $$$’s to force Chris out.
That move has to come from Chris—perhaps resisting the pressure from MC to fire both GSJ and Mitch—and then, there’s still the problem about the $$$’s.
We shall see, but I’m just hoping for dramatic Staff changes to be announced soon and we’ll go from there.[/quote]

They'll finish between 7th - 10th next year, then Chris will have to get extended or relieved of his duties, can't go in your last season with no extension or be a lame duck coach.
I say why prolong it and get a new coach for next year, I mean after a crappy year next year they can't extend him right? We're talking about SJU though so who knows.
Cragg knows what's best, but who's to say the higher ups won't make the call on Chris.
 
After one year on the job I don't think Cragg has the juice to force Chris to do anything, including mandating staff choices or asking Chris to step down. I think this is a critical year for both of them. Chris has the opportunity to revamp his staff with ma leaving and St.Jean supposedly going too. How he does this and how the recruiting goes, along with how the team does will be the deciding factors.

If we strike out in all three areas then we'll see if Cragg has the backing of the administration to make the big move.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=335874]Two schools of thought on the current situation:
1)Matt leaving is blessing in disguise because it could lead to a major staff overhaul and allow for better recruiting and roster management. Some nice names currently being discussed.
2)It's a year late these changes should have happened a year ago this is just putting lipstick on a pig. Chris is a lame duck after this next year and these staff changes simply won't have enough of an immediate impact on team next year and chances are they will all be looking for a new job in a year anyway so why delay the inevitable. Move on at this point.

Does that about cover it?

I am actually in camp #2 but short of Chris stepping away number 1 is the next best thing....[/quote]

Agree. Since I doubt Chris leaves or is forced out at this point, #1 is the best scenario to expect.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=335877][quote="fordham96" post=335874]Two schools of thought on the current situation:
1)Matt leaving is blessing in disguise because it could lead to a major staff overhaul and allow for better recruiting and roster management. Some nice names currently being discussed.
2)It's a year late these changes should have happened a year ago this is just putting lipstick on a pig. Chris is a lame duck after this next year and these staff changes simply won't have enough of an immediate impact on team next year and chances are they will all be looking for a new job in a year anyway so why delay the inevitable. Move on at this point.

Does that about cover it?

I am actually in camp #2 but short of Chris stepping away number 1 is the next best thing....[/quote]

Or 3) Cragg already knows who he wants to replace Chris, and the assistants he wants to influence Chris to hire would be guys mystery coach would want/keep on staff when he makes his appearance in 2020-21. I prefer this one, because some cloak and dagger intrigue would be pretty awesome.[/quote]

Interesting stuff, LJSA.
You must write suspense novels.
Lol.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=335875][quote="Chicago Days" post=335869][quote="cappy105" post=335823]this is all sad because Mullin (I believe) came back for all the right reasons. He is and will always be the greatest johnnie to wear the uniform. he came back to restore the image and brand ( although i thought Lav was fine). Now, the experiment is over. Now that Matt is gone it will turn ugly. We say thank you to Mully for his efforts (no pun intended) but its time to revamp the staff starting with the top. Mully should go out on top. I improved every year argument and step down. He can use that for his next gig ( in cali I'm sure). Everyone saves face, now is the time. Mully leaves on his terms, leaves on a good note, and MC can bring in his own staff. The time is now ( or maybe once Duke gets knocked out) to start the changes. Just my opinion but i know for a fact MANY johnnie fans share my thoughts[/quote]

I agree with your sentiments, Cappy.
But I don’t see St. John’s having the ‘will’ or the $$$’s to force Chris out.
That move has to come from Chris—perhaps resisting the pressure from MC to fire both GSJ and Mitch—and then, there’s still the problem about the $$$’s.
We shall see, but I’m just hoping for dramatic Staff changes to be announced soon and we’ll go from there.[/quote]

People wanting St. Jean fired are nuts. Mitch does nothing, ok. Ratt A only recruited and didn’t even do that well. St. Jean led a team with a 6’7 jump shooter at center and to the dance. He will only get better.[/quote]

We limped into the ‘play-in’ game and lost that.
I think that proves our ‘system’ doesn’t work with any roster we can hope to have and needs to be changed, so we need an AC that can craft a ‘new’ / different system, assuming Chris returns, which I think proves out.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=335879]I can't recall a single college program, or pro for that matter, where change was initiated through replacing support staff and keeping the coach. I'm sure it happened, but just not the way business is done. Replacing departing staff is of course necessary, but here the discussion of needed staff changes is beyond the norm.[/quote]


Agree Ray, but given SJU realities, revamping the staff is our best hope.
 
[quote="cappy105" post=335823]this is all sad because Mullin (I believe) came back for all the right reasons. He is and will always be the greatest johnnie to wear the uniform. he came back to restore the image and brand ( although i thought Lav was fine). Now, the experiment is over. Now that Matt is gone it will turn ugly. We say thank you to Mully for his efforts (no pun intended) but its time to revamp the staff starting with the top. Mully should go out on top. I improved every year argument and step down. He can use that for his next gig ( in cali I'm sure). Everyone saves face, now is the time. Mully leaves on his terms, leaves on a good note, and MC can bring in his own staff. The time is now ( or maybe once Duke gets knocked out) to start the changes. Just my opinion but i know for a fact MANY johnnie fans share my thoughts[/quote]

Hey Cappy, your actions shows where your heart is at. Have you really seen him out there going to games? being on campus when recruits came to visit? Ever change his coaching staff besides the slice situation? Last week wtf was he??? Was being streamed or whatever with Mitch and Tim talking about the old days and the 90s warriors.
How does that SJU at the present? He thought all he needed was Matt to recruits? Tell Matt: " Hey Matt bring the kid to me and Mitch and we'll talk to him and he'll be our? Yeah possibly, but they aren't even on campus when the kids show. I know if I really wanted to bring my school back I'd be obsessed and go everywhere with very little sleep.
 
[quote="Section9" post=335885]After one year on the job I don't think Cragg has the juice to force Chris to do anything, including mandating staff choices or asking Chris to step down. I think this is a critical year for both of them. Chris has the opportunity to revamp his staff with ma leaving and St.Jean supposedly going too. How he does this and how the recruiting goes, along with how the team does will be the deciding factors.

If we strike out in all three areas then we'll see if Cragg has the backing of the administration to make the big move.[/quote]

Great points, ‘9, but Alumni pressure can influence the Administration and if we’re not ‘there’ yet, we seem pretty close to that juncture.
 
[quote="Section9" post=335885]After one year on the job I don't think Cragg has the juice to force Chris to do anything, including mandating staff choices or asking Chris to step down. I think this is a critical year for both of them. Chris has the opportunity to revamp his staff with ma leaving and St.Jean supposedly going too. How he does this and how the recruiting goes, along with how the team does will be the deciding factors.

If we strike out in all three areas then we'll see if Cragg has the backing of the administration to make the big move.[/quote]

He didn't leave Duke to be a juice-less, ball-less figurehead.
 
It appears SJU is heading to a position where it was looking to be four years ago. A head coach with no experience having an ass't. he can rely on and a couple of other assts. required for recruiting since the head coach has neither the time or desire to get deeply involved in that endeavor.
This may not be the optimum way to run a major college program but it can work if Mullin is willing to rely on the X's and O's ass't. and is willing to get more involved in the recruiting aspect than he has been.
The SJU administration is partly to blame for the program's recent lack of success for doing nothing for almost four years until hiring Cragg. SJU fans can look at the program's achievements as being better than expected considering the two major holes in the coaching area.
Going into next season Mullin should be aware that Cragg is now top gun who will go out on a limb to help the program but if Mullin is unwilling to change it will be Cragg who is left standing.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=335889][quote="Marillac" post=335875]
People wanting St. Jean fired are nuts. Mitch does nothing, ok. Ratt A only recruited and didn’t even do that well. St. Jean led a team with a 6’7 jump shooter at center and to the dance. He will only get better.[/quote]

We limped into the ‘play-in’ game and lost that.
I think that proves our ‘system’ doesn’t work with any roster we can hope to have and needs to be changed, so we need an AC that can craft a ‘new’ / different system, assuming Chris returns, which I think proves out.[/quote]

I understand Marillac's point but St Jean's system will only yield high results with top level players and neither he nor CM showed any ability to modify their styles to meet their player's strengths. Last year was a high water mark for the talent level of the roster, despite the poor positional/size balance, and with the downgrade in talent next year the St Jean/Mullin system is very likely to deliver results in line with their first 3 years. For that reason I wouldn't miss him but also doubt that CM is going to let his replacement put in a new system better suited to the roster.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=335889][quote="Marillac" post=335875][quote="Chicago Days" post=335869][quote="cappy105" post=335823]this is all sad because Mullin (I believe) came back for all the right reasons. He is and will always be the greatest johnnie to wear the uniform. he came back to restore the image and brand ( although i thought Lav was fine). Now, the experiment is over. Now that Matt is gone it will turn ugly. We say thank you to Mully for his efforts (no pun intended) but its time to revamp the staff starting with the top. Mully should go out on top. I improved every year argument and step down. He can use that for his next gig ( in cali I'm sure). Everyone saves face, now is the time. Mully leaves on his terms, leaves on a good note, and MC can bring in his own staff. The time is now ( or maybe once Duke gets knocked out) to start the changes. Just my opinion but i know for a fact MANY johnnie fans share my thoughts[/quote]

I agree with your sentiments, Cappy.
But I don’t see St. John’s having the ‘will’ or the $$$’s to force Chris out.
That move has to come from Chris—perhaps resisting the pressure from MC to fire both GSJ and Mitch—and then, there’s still the problem about the $$$’s.
We shall see, but I’m just hoping for dramatic Staff changes to be announced soon and we’ll go from there.[/quote]

People wanting St. Jean fired are nuts. Mitch does nothing, ok. Ratt A only recruited and didn’t even do that well. St. Jean led a team with a 6’7 jump shooter at center and to the dance. He will only get better.[/quote]

We limped into the ‘play-in’ game and lost that.
I think that proves our ‘system’ doesn’t work with any roster we can hope to have and needs to be changed, so we need an AC that can craft a ‘new’ / different system, assuming Chris returns, which I think proves out.[/quote]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=335902]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah, can't wait to see those guys playing ree form 5 out standing outside the arc and jacking up the occasional or not that occasional three.
 
[quote="austour" post=335904][quote="Marillac" post=335902]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah, can't wait to see those guys playing ree form 5 out standing outside the arc and jacking up the occasional or not that occasional three.[/quote]

I think it’s pretty obvious that we played “5 out” out of necessity. Mullin would have loved to have a big man to post and draw double teams. It opens up the whole court offensively.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=335907][quote="austour" post=335904][quote="Marillac" post=335902]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah, can't wait to see those guys playing ree form 5 out standing outside the arc and jacking up the occasional or not that occasional three.[/quote]

I think it’s pretty obvious that we played “5 out” out of necessity. Mullin would have loved to have a big man to post and draw double teams. It opens up the whole court offensively.[/quote]

Should have recruited a serviceable Big. But its tough to recruit when you only have one recruiter covering the world.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=335907][quote="austour" post=335904][quote="Marillac" post=335902]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah, can't wait to see those guys playing ree form 5 out standing outside the arc and jacking up the occasional or not that occasional three.[/quote]

I think it’s pretty obvious that we played “5 out” out of necessity. Mullin would have loved to have a big man to post and draw double teams. It opens up the whole court offensively.[/quote]
Would have loved it so much he couldn't be bothered to recruit one. They don't just show up on campus.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=335911][quote="Marillac" post=335907][quote="austour" post=335904][quote="Marillac" post=335902]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah, can't wait to see those guys playing ree form 5 out standing outside the arc and jacking up the occasional or not that occasional three.[/quote]

I think it’s pretty obvious that we played “5 out” out of necessity. Mullin would have loved to have a big man to post and draw double teams. It opens up the whole court offensively.[/quote]
Would have loved it so much he couldn't be bothered to recruit one. They don't just show up on campus.[/quote]

So you know for a fact Mullin couldn't have bothered to recruit a big?
 
[quote="austour" post=335900][quote="Chicago Days" post=335889][quote="Marillac" post=335875]
People wanting St. Jean fired are nuts. Mitch does nothing, ok. Ratt A only recruited and didn’t even do that well. St. Jean led a team with a 6’7 jump shooter at center and to the dance. He will only get better.[/quote]

We limped into the ‘play-in’ game and lost that.
I think that proves our ‘system’ doesn’t work with any roster we can hope to have and needs to be changed, so we need an AC that can craft a ‘new’ / different system, assuming Chris returns, which I think proves out.[/quote]

I understand Marillac's point but St Jean's system will only yield high results with top level players and neither he nor CM showed any ability to modify their styles to meet their player's strengths. Last year was a high water mark for the talent level of the roster, despite the poor positional/size balance, and with the downgrade in talent next year the St Jean/Mullin system is very likely to deliver results in line with their first 3 years. For that reason I wouldn't miss him but also doubt that CM is going to let his replacement put in a new system better suited to the roster.[/quote]

You’re probably right austour.
I base my long-shot hopes on the new hires and the pressure on Mullin to ‘go along’ with revisions, but I’m likely wrong.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=335902][quote="Chicago Days" post=335889][quote="Marillac" post=335875][quote="Chicago Days" post=335869][quote="cappy105" post=335823]this is all sad because Mullin (I believe) came back for all the right reasons. He is and will always be the greatest johnnie to wear the uniform. he came back to restore the image and brand ( although i thought Lav was fine). Now, the experiment is over. Now that Matt is gone it will turn ugly. We say thank you to Mully for his efforts (no pun intended) but its time to revamp the staff starting with the top. Mully should go out on top. I improved every year argument and step down. He can use that for his next gig ( in cali I'm sure). Everyone saves face, now is the time. Mully leaves on his terms, leaves on a good note, and MC can bring in his own staff. The time is now ( or maybe once Duke gets knocked out) to start the changes. Just my opinion but i know for a fact MANY johnnie fans share my thoughts[/quote]

I agree with your sentiments, Cappy.
But I don’t see St. John’s having the ‘will’ or the $$$’s to force Chris out.
That move has to come from Chris—perhaps resisting the pressure from MC to fire both GSJ and Mitch—and then, there’s still the problem about the $$$’s.
We shall see, but I’m just hoping for dramatic Staff changes to be announced soon and we’ll go from there.[/quote]

People wanting St. Jean fired are nuts. Mitch does nothing, ok. Ratt A only recruited and didn’t even do that well. St. Jean led a team with a 6’7 jump shooter at center and to the dance. He will only get better.[/quote]

We limped into the ‘play-in’ game and lost that.
I think that proves our ‘system’ doesn’t work with any roster we can hope to have and needs to be changed, so we need an AC that can craft a ‘new’ / different system, assuming Chris returns, which I think proves out.[/quote]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.[/quote]

The ‘system’ was the Warriors’ system, less the Warriors’ players.
Hence, the disappointing results.
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=335912][quote="bamafan" post=335911][quote="Marillac" post=335907][quote="austour" post=335904][quote="Marillac" post=335902]

What “system”’did you see this season? Hang on and pray with a 6’7 center and 6’6 195 PF? That’s clearly not what he wants going forward. Steere is built the hulk and they went out and got 6’10 Manuel as well with Roberts, Keita, and Earlington on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah, can't wait to see those guys playing ree form 5 out standing outside the arc and jacking up the occasional or not that occasional three.[/quote]

I think it’s pretty obvious that we played “5 out” out of necessity. Mullin would have loved to have a big man to post and draw double teams. It opens up the whole court offensively.[/quote]
Would have loved it so much he couldn't be bothered to recruit one. They don't just show up on campus.[/quote]

So you know for a fact Mullin couldn't have bothered to recruit a big?[/quote]

You could have stopped the sentence after the word recruit
 
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