2017-18 Transfers
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[quote="Paultzman" post=286995][quote="otis" post=286993]Two thoughts:
1. Hopefully St. John's retains experienced counsel to guide Mr. Heron's hardship request. Anyone reading this post that has influence with St. John's should suggest to our beloved "Mom & Pop" institution retain Michael Glazier to assist Heron's application. Glazier served seven years on the NCAA staff where, in addition to his primary responsibilities involving infractions, compliance and legislative matters. Now is not the time to have someone with no NCAA contact or experience to assist Mustafa Heron
[URL][URL]https://www.bsk.com/people/mike-glazier/collegiate-sports[/URL][/URL]
2. Again today, much like Wednesday when Shamorie Ponds announced he would return to play next season, this is NOT a good day for the handful of posters on this site who seemingly enjoy negative information regarding St. John's basketball.[/quote]
Why the need to stir the pot? And you are a moderator? Sheez![/quote]
Coming from one who enjoys pot stirring, agree with you wholeheartedly on this one; time for all to just feel good. FWIW, I was told by a pretty connected (CBB not SJU) buddy that there will be no need to hire a lawyer. We shall see.
1. Hopefully St. John's retains experienced counsel to guide Mr. Heron's hardship request. Anyone reading this post that has influence with St. John's should suggest to our beloved "Mom & Pop" institution retain Michael Glazier to assist Heron's application. Glazier served seven years on the NCAA staff where, in addition to his primary responsibilities involving infractions, compliance and legislative matters. Now is not the time to have someone with no NCAA contact or experience to assist Mustafa Heron
[URL][URL]https://www.bsk.com/people/mike-glazier/collegiate-sports[/URL][/URL]
2. Again today, much like Wednesday when Shamorie Ponds announced he would return to play next season, this is NOT a good day for the handful of posters on this site who seemingly enjoy negative information regarding St. John's basketball.[/quote]
Why the need to stir the pot? And you are a moderator? Sheez![/quote]
Coming from one who enjoys pot stirring, agree with you wholeheartedly on this one; time for all to just feel good. FWIW, I was told by a pretty connected (CBB not SJU) buddy that there will be no need to hire a lawyer. We shall see.
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WillyDilly
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=286994]Family Hardship Waivers
Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness:
The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member:
The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events:
Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.
When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:
Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.
These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.[/quote]
The part that I don't understand is the part of the waiver that mentions the day-to-day care of the family member. Yes, St Johns is ALOT closer to his home than Auburn, but it is still a decent distance away (I think a previous post mentioned 80+miles).
How much day-to-day care would he actually be able to provide? How much will that matter in the appeal process?
Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness:
The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member:
The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events:
Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.
When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:
Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.
These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.[/quote]
The part that I don't understand is the part of the waiver that mentions the day-to-day care of the family member. Yes, St Johns is ALOT closer to his home than Auburn, but it is still a decent distance away (I think a previous post mentioned 80+miles).
How much day-to-day care would he actually be able to provide? How much will that matter in the appeal process?
JohnnyFever
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Do we know if:
His mother's diagnosis changed or preceded his intent to transfer?
If it's life-threatening? I could be wrong but I remember hearing post-concussion syndrome and it can be life-threatening if there was a 2nd concussion. I'm not the resident MD though so no idea. Really hope his mother is doing well and prayers for the family.
His mother's diagnosis changed or preceded his intent to transfer?
If it's life-threatening? I could be wrong but I remember hearing post-concussion syndrome and it can be life-threatening if there was a 2nd concussion. I'm not the resident MD though so no idea. Really hope his mother is doing well and prayers for the family.
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=286998][quote="OLV72" post=286997][quote="mjmaherjr" post=286988]Great week to be a Johnnie fan and Congrats to staff and WELCOME HERON !!!!!![/quote]
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]
The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.
[quote="OLV72" post=287005][quote="mjmaherjr" post=286998][quote="OLV72" post=286997][quote="mjmaherjr" post=286988]Great week to be a Johnnie fan and Congrats to staff and WELCOME HERON !!!!!![/quote]
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ? Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]
The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.[/quote]
If you’re lucky, the guy behind you spreads his legs and lets you rest in between.
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.[/quote]
If you’re lucky, the guy behind you spreads his legs and lets you rest in between.
Class of 72
Active member
[quote="OhioFan" post=286981]Reminds me of a feeling I had about twenty years ago when I was on campus for a visit and wound up with a poster that said "Back Among the Elite".[/quote]
They still give out that same poster. For the past 19 years it has referred to the Fencing Team,:cheer:
They still give out that same poster. For the past 19 years it has referred to the Fencing Team,:cheer:
Ray Morgan
Well-known member
We got Heron and Ponds. Next news is that Larry Bird and Doc Rivers are joining the staff. I need a fifth current or former player with fowl or water origins. This is what happens when one gets giddy from all the good news.
Class of 72
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[quote="Logen" post=287002][quote="Paultzman" post=286995][quote="otis" post=286993]Two thoughts:
1. Hopefully St. John's retains experienced counsel to guide Mr. Heron's hardship request. Anyone reading this post that has influence with St. John's should suggest to our beloved "Mom & Pop" institution retain Michael Glazier to assist Heron's application. Glazier served seven years on the NCAA staff where, in addition to his primary responsibilities involving infractions, compliance and legislative matters. Now is not the time to have someone with no NCAA contact or experience to assist Mustafa Heron
[URL][URL]https://www.bsk.com/people/mike-glazier/collegiate-sports[/URL][/URL]
2. Again today, much like Wednesday when Shamorie Ponds announced he would return to play next season, this is NOT a good day for the handful of posters on this site who seemingly enjoy negative information regarding St. John's basketball.[/quote]
Why the need to stir the pot? And you are a moderator? Sheez![/quote]
Coming from one who enjoys pot stirring, agree with you wholeheartedly on this one; time for all to just feel good. FWIW, I was told by a pretty connected (CBB not SJU) buddy that there will be no need to hire a lawyer. We shall see.[/quote]
If you are correct and Heron qualifies I will buy you a pale ale at MSG!
1. Hopefully St. John's retains experienced counsel to guide Mr. Heron's hardship request. Anyone reading this post that has influence with St. John's should suggest to our beloved "Mom & Pop" institution retain Michael Glazier to assist Heron's application. Glazier served seven years on the NCAA staff where, in addition to his primary responsibilities involving infractions, compliance and legislative matters. Now is not the time to have someone with no NCAA contact or experience to assist Mustafa Heron
[URL][URL]https://www.bsk.com/people/mike-glazier/collegiate-sports[/URL][/URL]
2. Again today, much like Wednesday when Shamorie Ponds announced he would return to play next season, this is NOT a good day for the handful of posters on this site who seemingly enjoy negative information regarding St. John's basketball.[/quote]
Why the need to stir the pot? And you are a moderator? Sheez![/quote]
Coming from one who enjoys pot stirring, agree with you wholeheartedly on this one; time for all to just feel good. FWIW, I was told by a pretty connected (CBB not SJU) buddy that there will be no need to hire a lawyer. We shall see.[/quote]
If you are correct and Heron qualifies I will buy you a pale ale at MSG!
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[quote="simplyred" post=287006][quote="OLV72" post=287005][quote="mjmaherjr" post=286998][quote="OLV72" post=286997][quote="mjmaherjr" post=286988]Great week to be a Johnnie fan and Congrats to staff and WELCOME HERON !!!!!![/quote]
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ? Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]
The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.[/quote]
If you’re lucky, the guy behind you spreads his legs and lets you rest in between.[/quote]
That is one way to get us to move down to the expensive seats.
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.[/quote]
If you’re lucky, the guy behind you spreads his legs and lets you rest in between.[/quote]
That is one way to get us to move down to the expensive seats.
Turns out the 'experts' were right all along- back in '15 they had Heron to SJU. A little early but feels right on time now.
https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitu...t-Sacred-Heart-63639/CurrentExpertPredictions
https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitu...t-Sacred-Heart-63639/CurrentExpertPredictions
[quote="Class of 72" post=287013][quote="Logen" post=287002][quote="Paultzman" post=286995][quote="otis" post=286993]Two thoughts:
1. Hopefully St. John's retains experienced counsel to guide Mr. Heron's hardship request. Anyone reading this post that has influence with St. John's should suggest to our beloved "Mom & Pop" institution retain Michael Glazier to assist Heron's application. Glazier served seven years on the NCAA staff where, in addition to his primary responsibilities involving infractions, compliance and legislative matters. Now is not the time to have someone with no NCAA contact or experience to assist Mustafa Heron
[URL][URL]https://www.bsk.com/people/mike-glazier/collegiate-sports[/URL][/URL]
2. Again today, much like Wednesday when Shamorie Ponds announced he would return to play next season, this is NOT a good day for the handful of posters on this site who seemingly enjoy negative information regarding St. John's basketball.[/quote]
Why the need to stir the pot? And you are a moderator? Sheez![/quote]
Coming from one who enjoys pot stirring, agree with you wholeheartedly on this one; time for all to just feel good. FWIW, I was told by a pretty connected (CBB not SJU) buddy that there will be no need to hire a lawyer. We shall see.[/quote]
If you are correct and Heron qualifies I will buy you a pale ale at MSG![/quote]
Well, I’ll take it and thank you but just passing on what I was told. Hopefully, it is good info but it appears the Heron families unfortunate situation is exactly what the waiver rule was put in place for. As always, we shall see.
1. Hopefully St. John's retains experienced counsel to guide Mr. Heron's hardship request. Anyone reading this post that has influence with St. John's should suggest to our beloved "Mom & Pop" institution retain Michael Glazier to assist Heron's application. Glazier served seven years on the NCAA staff where, in addition to his primary responsibilities involving infractions, compliance and legislative matters. Now is not the time to have someone with no NCAA contact or experience to assist Mustafa Heron
[URL][URL]https://www.bsk.com/people/mike-glazier/collegiate-sports[/URL][/URL]
2. Again today, much like Wednesday when Shamorie Ponds announced he would return to play next season, this is NOT a good day for the handful of posters on this site who seemingly enjoy negative information regarding St. John's basketball.[/quote]
Why the need to stir the pot? And you are a moderator? Sheez![/quote]
Coming from one who enjoys pot stirring, agree with you wholeheartedly on this one; time for all to just feel good. FWIW, I was told by a pretty connected (CBB not SJU) buddy that there will be no need to hire a lawyer. We shall see.[/quote]
If you are correct and Heron qualifies I will buy you a pale ale at MSG!
[/quote]Well, I’ll take it and thank you but just passing on what I was told. Hopefully, it is good info but it appears the Heron families unfortunate situation is exactly what the waiver rule was put in place for. As always, we shall see.
[quote="Paultzman" post=287001]https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/st-johns-gets-verbal-commitment-from-auburns-leading-scorer/[/quote]
Great article. Thanks Paultz!
I hope his mom, Thalia, recovers and is able to see her son play often.
An uplifting experience for his mom and Mustapha.
And the kid sounds incredibly well-grounded.
We shall see what happens but this may well be a good happening for all involved.
Great article. Thanks Paultz!
I hope his mom, Thalia, recovers and is able to see her son play often.
An uplifting experience for his mom and Mustapha.
And the kid sounds incredibly well-grounded.
We shall see what happens but this may well be a good happening for all involved.
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[quote="simplyred" post=287006][quote="OLV72" post=287005][quote="mjmaherjr" post=286998][quote="OLV72" post=286997][quote="mjmaherjr" post=286988]Great week to be a Johnnie fan and Congrats to staff and WELCOME HERON !!!!!![/quote]
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ? Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]
The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.[/quote]
If you’re lucky, the guy behind you spreads his legs and lets you rest in between.[/quote]
Sounds like former-Senator Larry "Wide Stance" Craig is a season ticket-holder.
Are you braving the sauna and showing up in Queens this coming November?[/quote] did the school announce backrests yet ?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves but we can definitely start picking road trips[/quote]The backrest in our section are knee caps of the guy sitting behind you.[/quote]
If you’re lucky, the guy behind you spreads his legs and lets you rest in between.[/quote]
Sounds like former-Senator Larry "Wide Stance" Craig is a season ticket-holder.
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redfan259999888
Active member
[quote="L J S A" post=286897]I'm shocked anyone is worried about this. Two posters with great sources both confirmed. And even if it's totally wrong, what did we really lose? It's a stud who appeared out of nowhere to most fans, and it gave us several days of dreaming. Way more frustrating to lose a high school kid the staff has spent two or three years on. Losing a kid who essentially didn't exist before yesterday is nothing.[/quote]
Ponds & Heron could possibly be the difference between at top 10 backcourt nationwide and tops in the B.E and a middle of the B.E. backcourt.
With I could see 24 regular season wins and possibly winning the BE tourny, without 20-21 regular season wins and possibly 2 wins in the tourny. When's the last time we won 27 games going into selection sunday, 01.
To me it's what the future/recruits see next year.
I'm not just focused on next year.
Ponds & Heron could possibly be the difference between at top 10 backcourt nationwide and tops in the B.E and a middle of the B.E. backcourt.
With I could see 24 regular season wins and possibly winning the BE tourny, without 20-21 regular season wins and possibly 2 wins in the tourny. When's the last time we won 27 games going into selection sunday, 01.
To me it's what the future/recruits see next year.
I'm not just focused on next year.
redfan259999888
Active member
[quote="Paultzman" post=286956]Zach B
Plan is to get the waiver material in ASAP. Confidence Mustapha Heron will be eligible. School may hire a lawyer as well if there is resistance. #subb[/quote]
Great news, now I get the feeling ncaa won't announce the waiver part until the week or week before the first game.
Plan is to get the waiver material in ASAP. Confidence Mustapha Heron will be eligible. School may hire a lawyer as well if there is resistance. #subb[/quote]
Great news, now I get the feeling ncaa won't announce the waiver part until the week or week before the first game.
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=287033][quote="L J S A" post=286897]I'm shocked anyone is worried about this. Two posters with great sources both confirmed. And even if it's totally wrong, what did we really lose? It's a stud who appeared out of nowhere to most fans, and it gave us several days of dreaming. Way more frustrating to lose a high school kid the staff has spent two or three years on. Losing a kid who essentially didn't exist before yesterday is nothing.[/quote]
Ponds & Heron could possibly be the difference between at top 10 backcourt nationwide and tops in the B.E and a middle of the B.E. backcourt.
With I could see 24 regular season wins and possibly winning the BE tourny, without 20-21 regular season wins and possibly 2 wins in the tourny. When's the last time we won 27 games going into selection sunday, 01.
To me it's what the future/recruits see next year.
I'm not just focused on next year.[/quote]
More importantly, neither is the staff. FWIW, and IMO very little because there are games to be played, we have arguably the highest rated roster ever at SJU so the recruiting complaint is wearing a bit thin. So let’s get musical and Live For Today because Tomorrow Never Comes.
Ponds & Heron could possibly be the difference between at top 10 backcourt nationwide and tops in the B.E and a middle of the B.E. backcourt.
With I could see 24 regular season wins and possibly winning the BE tourny, without 20-21 regular season wins and possibly 2 wins in the tourny. When's the last time we won 27 games going into selection sunday, 01.
To me it's what the future/recruits see next year.
I'm not just focused on next year.[/quote]
More importantly, neither is the staff. FWIW, and IMO very little because there are games to be played, we have arguably the highest rated roster ever at SJU so the recruiting complaint is wearing a bit thin. So let’s get musical and Live For Today because Tomorrow Never Comes.