2017-18 Transfers

[quote="RedStormNC" post=287153]I know there are a number of SJU law grads here...

how much could litigation costs be with hiring this high profile NCAA lawyer?

I'd have to think there's a limit to what school can realistically justify in spending to outsource, vs. attempt to keep in house as a university w/ law school and many law grads.[/quote]

Start the gofundme we can do it!
 
Per Bret McMurphy, interesting;

SEC grad transfers no longer must sit out a year when transferring to another league school, SEC presidents voted today. Previously, SEC required grad transfers to sit out a year when transferring to another SEC school
 
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=287174]Didn't we hire some high-profile lawyer to help with getting Orlando Sanchez eligible a few years ago?[/quote]
Yes
 
Remember when I said Nevada was 2 over the scholarship limit after the Martin twins agreed to come back.

Well Ehab Amin a grad transfer from Corpus Christi is de-committing from Nevada....
 
[quote="fordham96" post=287179]Remember when I said Nevada was 2 over the scholarship limit after the Martin twins agreed to come back.

Well Ehab Amin a grad transfer from Corpus Christi is de-committing from Nevada....[/quote]

Guessing we're done and should be, but I'm betting once this team proves it on the court,recruiting 'big' transfers or 'big' recruits will not be the hurdle it has been.
Or dare I say, top 4* HS recruits--those who ain't 'big'!
Let's go Johnnies.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=287172]Per Bret McMurphy, interesting;

SEC grad transfers no longer must sit out a year when transferring to another league school, SEC presidents voted today. Previously, SEC required grad transfers to sit out a year when transferring to another SEC school[/quote]

Don't some conferences--in fact, doesn't the BEC block players from transferring within the conference?
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=287184][quote="Paultzman" post=287172]Per Bret McMurphy, interesting;

SEC grad transfers no longer must sit out a year when transferring to another league school, SEC presidents voted today. Previously, SEC required grad transfers to sit out a year when transferring to another SEC school[/quote]

Don't some conferences--in fact, doesn't the BEC block players from transferring within the conference?[/quote]
Yes
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=287186][quote="Chicago Days" post=287184][quote="Paultzman" post=287172]Per Bret McMurphy, interesting;

SEC grad transfers no longer must sit out a year when transferring to another league school, SEC presidents voted today. Previously, SEC required grad transfers to sit out a year when transferring to another SEC school[/quote]

Don't some conferences--in fact, doesn't the BEC block players from transferring within the conference?[/quote]
Yes[/quote]

Including the Big East

Edit: misread that as SEC, sorry
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=287153]I know there are a number of SJU law grads here...

how much could litigation costs be with hiring this high profile NCAA lawyer?

I'd have to think there's a limit to what school can realistically justify in spending to outsource, vs. attempt to keep in house as a university w/ law school and many law grads.[/quote]

1. You do not want to litigate this matter. Glazier has been a fixture in and out of the NCAA network for the past several decades. He knows the Investigators and NCAA attorneys by name. He may have hired on or more of them when he was employed by the NCAA. He is better able to make things happen behind the scene (see: UNC) than anyone else I am aware of.
* "Mike Glazier, an attorney representing Michigan State, filed a response to NCAA’s investigation..."
Mike Glazier, an attorney representing Michigan State, filed a response to NCAA’s investigation
* "Ole Miss will be represented by renowned collegiate sports attorney Mike Glazier"
[URL][URL]https://247sports.com/col...ttee-on-Infractions-starting-Monday-107106046[/URL][/URL]
* Glazier, credited with creating legal market representing colleges before NCAA
[URL][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/sports/ncaabasketball/04ncaa.html[/URL][/URL]
*Glazier representing UTennessee
[URL][URL]https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2011-07-25/ut-defends-handling-pearl’s-firing[/URL][/URL]

2. There is no limit to what a school can pay for legal representation to work with the NCAA to advance its position. There is however a substantial cost to have someone/ group with little or no experience represent St. John's in seeking Mr. Heron's eligibility.
 
[quote="otis" post=287198][quote="RedStormNC" post=287153]I know there are a number of SJU law grads here...

how much could litigation costs be with hiring this high profile NCAA lawyer?

I'd have to think there's a limit to what school can realistically justify in spending to outsource, vs. attempt to keep in house as a university w/ law school and many law grads.[/quote]

1. You do not want to litigate this matter. Glazier has been a fixture in and out of the NCAA network for the past several decades. He knows the Investigators and NCAA attorneys by name. He may have hired on or more of them when he was employed by the NCAA. He is better able to make things happen behind the scene (see: UNC) than anyone else I am aware of.
* "Mike Glazier, an attorney representing Michigan State, filed a response to NCAA’s investigation..."
Mike Glazier, an attorney representing Michigan State, filed a response to NCAA’s investigation
* "Ole Miss will be represented by renowned collegiate sports attorney Mike Glazier"
[URL][URL]https://247sports.com/col...ttee-on-Infractions-starting-Monday-107106046[/URL][/URL]
* Glazier, credited with creating legal market representing colleges before NCAA
[URL][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/sports/ncaabasketball/04ncaa.html[/URL][/URL]
*Glazier representing UTennessee
[URL][URL]https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2011-07-25/ut-defends-handling-pearl’s-firing[/URL][/URL]

2. There is no limit to what a school can pay for legal representation to work with the NCAA to advance its position. There is however a substantial cost to have someone/ group with little or no experience represent St. John's in seeking Mr. Heron's eligibility.[/quote]

On this one thing I completely agree with you!
 
I realize there's technically no limit and definitely don't want to bring a knife to a gun battle...

my question was more along the lines of what can SJU realistically afford in attorney fees to fight this, if supposedly school is in financial challenge ?

$50K, 100K ...more ?

I'm sure they want Heron and willing to hire attorney, just not sure to what degree..
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=287184][quote="Paultzman" post=287172]Per Bret McMurphy, interesting;

SEC grad transfers no longer must sit out a year when transferring to another league school, SEC presidents voted today. Previously, SEC required grad transfers to sit out a year when transferring to another SEC school[/quote]

Don't some conferences--in fact, doesn't the BEC block players from transferring within the conference?[/quote]

This was a football move. Saban is gonna be mad. (most other coaches where supporting waivers to let their grad transfers go anywhere without having to sit).

http://www.espn.com/college-football/
 
Evan Daniels
Toledo transfer Justin Roberts is headed to Niagara, per a source. Roberts is the son of Kansas assistant Norm Roberts.

Chris Casey connection
 
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=287174]Didn't we hire some high-profile lawyer to help with getting Orlando Sanchez eligible a few years ago?[/quote]
Was this the guy? Has a reputation as a fixer.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=287233]Evan Daniels
Toledo transfer Justin Roberts is headed to Niagara, per a source. Roberts is the son of Kansas assistant Norm Roberts.

Chris Casey connection[/quote]

I hope the kid can play better than the father could coach.
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=287243][quote="Paultzman" post=287233]Evan Daniels
Toledo transfer Justin Roberts is headed to Niagara, per a source. Roberts is the son of Kansas assistant Norm Roberts.

Chris Casey connection[/quote]

I hope the kid can play better than the father could coach.[/quote]
And I hope he's as classy as his father is.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=287210]I realize there's technically no limit and definitely don't want to bring a knife to a gun battle...

my question was more along the lines of what can SJU realistically afford in attorney fees to fight this, if supposedly school is in financial challenge ?

$50K, 100K ...more ?

I'm sure they want Heron and willing to hire attorney, just not sure to what degree..[/quote]

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RedstornNC

I am not sure anyone can predict what experienced legal represention will cost to prosecute this request for an medical eligibility waiver because no one likely knows how long the proceeding will take.

If Mr. Heron’s application is promptly accepted then the legal fees would be far- far less than if there is a hearing with adjournments and appeals after a negative determination. For the more drawn out version the legal fees could easily top six figures.

St. John’s must ask itself if wants to be a “prime time paogram” of a secondary program. If the St. John’s Administration wants to play with the bigs then it should hire one of the handful of attorneys with substantial experience in dealing with the NCAA to prosecute Mr. Heron’s request for the medical hardship waiver.

If St. John’s is willing to settle as a secondary program then it will hire an attorney who reads the NCAA procedures manual for the first time and give the appeal a whirl.

As the old saying goes, “a good attorney knows the law, but a better attorney knows the law and the Judge”. In this instance the judge and Jury is the NCAA .

The issue will go a long way in defining St.John’s commitment to its athletic program and it athlete.
 
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