2017-18 Transfers
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=286850][quote="Happy" post=286818][quote="walkenman" post=286814]Question about Heron. Would he be considered the best player to transfer this year? I know a ton of kids have transferred but I can't remember anyone this good, whether grad transfer or not. Just wondering.[/quote]
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.
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But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.
[/quote]But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.
[quote="Logen" post=286852][quote="Chicago Days" post=286850][quote="Happy" post=286818][quote="walkenman" post=286814]Question about Heron. Would he be considered the best player to transfer this year? I know a ton of kids have transferred but I can't remember anyone this good, whether grad transfer or not. Just wondering.[/quote]
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.[/quote]
But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.[/quote]
Agree Heron did not just fall in our lap. As noted before, he flirted with transferring here last season and has a solid relationship with Matt A.
Also agree with the lineup point.
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.
[/quote]But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.[/quote]
Agree Heron did not just fall in our lap. As noted before, he flirted with transferring here last season and has a solid relationship with Matt A.
Also agree with the lineup point.
[quote="Logen" post=286852][quote="Chicago Days" post=286850][quote="Happy" post=286818][quote="walkenman" post=286814]Question about Heron. Would he be considered the best player to transfer this year? I know a ton of kids have transferred but I can't remember anyone this good, whether grad transfer or not. Just wondering.[/quote]
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.[/quote]
But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.[/quote]
I was approaching this from my ignorance. Seemed to come from nowhere. I wasn’t disparaging the Staff. If it happened this would be a great coup, with ‘things’ crystalizing for us, based on the family’s needs and our past relationship with the kid. That’s all I meant.
Yup, I imagined that potential lineup next season as well.
Insane scoring machine that few teams could run with.
P.S. To me that’s serendipitous—a positive confluence of things combining to happen: his need and our past relationship. That’s all I meant.
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.
[/quote]But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.[/quote]
I was approaching this from my ignorance. Seemed to come from nowhere. I wasn’t disparaging the Staff. If it happened this would be a great coup, with ‘things’ crystalizing for us, based on the family’s needs and our past relationship with the kid. That’s all I meant.
Yup, I imagined that potential lineup next season as well.
Insane scoring machine that few teams could run with.
P.S. To me that’s serendipitous—a positive confluence of things combining to happen: his need and our past relationship. That’s all I meant.
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=286854][quote="Logen" post=286852][quote="Chicago Days" post=286850][quote="Happy" post=286818][quote="walkenman" post=286814]Question about Heron. Would he be considered the best player to transfer this year? I know a ton of kids have transferred but I can't remember anyone this good, whether grad transfer or not. Just wondering.[/quote]
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.[/quote]
But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.[/quote]
I was approaching this from my ignorance. Seemed to come from nowhere. I wasn’t disparaging the Staff. If it happened this would be a great coup, with ‘things’ crystalizing for us, based on the family’s needs and our past relationship with the kid. That’s all I meant.
Yup, I imagined that potential lineup next season as well.
Insane scoring machine that few teams could run with.[/quote]
And after the past few 'deplorable' DECADES how sweet it will be and how grateful most of us will be to be winning again and to be relevant again. Nice.
For our needs I would say a kid like Reid Travis is the best transfer this year but Heron is pretty damn good. I would never turn a talent like Heron away but it is a weird fit the way our roster is currently constructed.
[/quote]But we’re we ever in the mix for Reid Travis? Stanford people were hoping he’d return there as of a few weeks ago, but now KY seems to be in his sights.
Didnt Mustapha kind of just fall our way? (I hope!) His mom’s Health issues and his need to be closer to her, plus our past relationship with the kid?
This came out of nowhere—to me anyway.
Like the Figgy gift.
Had no clue about that either![/quote]
No, Heron did not "just fall our way." I realize some here have promoted the narrative that the staff doesn't work but it is just not true. They just don't talk about what they do, they just do it. Figueroa is another prime example of their approach. Again, I point to the amount of recruits we have been involved with but one of the strengths of this staff is that they are realistic about our chances, the "where would you go - Kansas or SJU? reality" and therefore have multiple tentacles out for players. Only my perspective, but much is made here about failures, little noise about successes. One last point, IF Heron signs and is eligible (IF), I guarantee we will at some points in the season see a lineup of Ponds, Heron, Figueroa, Simon and Dixon on the court.[/quote]
I was approaching this from my ignorance. Seemed to come from nowhere. I wasn’t disparaging the Staff. If it happened this would be a great coup, with ‘things’ crystalizing for us, based on the family’s needs and our past relationship with the kid. That’s all I meant.
Yup, I imagined that potential lineup next season as well.
Insane scoring machine that few teams could run with.[/quote]
And after the past few 'deplorable' DECADES how sweet it will be and how grateful most of us will be to be winning again and to be relevant again. Nice.
[quote="bamafan" post=286856]Read that Nevada has 4 starters back from their 29-8 Sweet 16 team, their 6th man, 6 transfers that averaged double figures, and a high school All-American recruit Jordan Brown.[/quote]
Yeah, talk about ‘insane’.
Yeah, talk about ‘insane’.
redfan259999888
Active member
[quote="fordham96" post=286765]If you need more evidence of Heron to SJU guess who started following him on Twitter?
BTW may want to start a separate Heron thread under 2018 recruits.[/quote]
Ok, so Matt followed Heron, and how many times does he unfollow a recruit?
I guess if he hasn't decided to come today or tomorrow, then he'll decide sometime next it next week, why prolong it if he knows that he wants to come here? If nothing by next Friday then he probably isn't coming.
Hope he does come, MSG would be rocking. He'd be Mullins biggest recruit to date.
BTW may want to start a separate Heron thread under 2018 recruits.[/quote]
Ok, so Matt followed Heron, and how many times does he unfollow a recruit?
I guess if he hasn't decided to come today or tomorrow, then he'll decide sometime next it next week, why prolong it if he knows that he wants to come here? If nothing by next Friday then he probably isn't coming.
Hope he does come, MSG would be rocking. He'd be Mullins biggest recruit to date.
L J S A
Well-known member
[quote="bamafan" post=286856]Read that Nevada has 4 starters back from their 29-8 Sweet 16 team, their 6th man, 6 transfers that averaged double figures, and a high school All-American recruit Jordan Brown.[/quote]
Most of the time I know who I'm picking for the following year's Final Four (which may be why I do poorly most years) by May or June. I'll 100 percent have Nevada in there.
Most of the time I know who I'm picking for the following year's Final Four (which may be why I do poorly most years) by May or June. I'll 100 percent have Nevada in there.
[quote="L J S A" post=286859][quote="bamafan" post=286856]Read that Nevada has 4 starters back from their 29-8 Sweet 16 team, their 6th man, 6 transfers that averaged double figures, and a high school All-American recruit Jordan Brown.[/quote]
Most of the time I know who I'm picking for the following year's Final Four (which may be why I do poorly most years) by May or June. I'll 100 percent have Nevada in there.[/quote]
Nevada has 15 players committed next year. Not sure how they will work out the scholarship situation. Most people thought the Martin twins were likely gone and that is why they landed Trey Porter and then Brown.
They'll figure out I'm sure.
Most of the time I know who I'm picking for the following year's Final Four (which may be why I do poorly most years) by May or June. I'll 100 percent have Nevada in there.[/quote]
Nevada has 15 players committed next year. Not sure how they will work out the scholarship situation. Most people thought the Martin twins were likely gone and that is why they landed Trey Porter and then Brown.
They'll figure out I'm sure.
[quote="AlBovino" post=286861]Nevada won't make the Elite 8 much less the Final Four next year.[/quote]
They will be in everyone's pre-season Top 10, maybe Top 5. Will have a great season and get a great seed in the NCAA. Whether they go to the Final Four is a crapshoot. Loyola of Chicago went to the Final Four, they didn't have a better season then Virginia.
They will be in everyone's pre-season Top 10, maybe Top 5. Will have a great season and get a great seed in the NCAA. Whether they go to the Final Four is a crapshoot. Loyola of Chicago went to the Final Four, they didn't have a better season then Virginia.
Windy City Johnny Fan
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Who freakin cares about Nevada? Where's my Heron update? (half kidding)
L J S A
Well-known member
[quote="AlBovino" post=286861]Nevada won't make the Elite 8 much less the Final Four next year.[/quote]
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.
[quote="L J S A" post=286865][quote="AlBovino" post=286861]Nevada won't make the Elite 8 much less the Final Four next year.[/quote]
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.[/quote]
I can say Duke, Kentucky, Kansas aren't going to the Final Four next year either. It is actually isn't that far fetched since only 4 teams out of over 300 can go. Now tell me all 3 will fail to win 28+ games, tell me all 3 won't get a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tourney and tell me all 3 will finish outside the AP top 10. That is going out on a limb.
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.[/quote]
I can say Duke, Kentucky, Kansas aren't going to the Final Four next year either. It is actually isn't that far fetched since only 4 teams out of over 300 can go. Now tell me all 3 will fail to win 28+ games, tell me all 3 won't get a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tourney and tell me all 3 will finish outside the AP top 10. That is going out on a limb.
[quote="L J S A" post=286865][quote="AlBovino" post=286861]Nevada won't make the Elite 8 much less the Final Four next year.[/quote]
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.[/quote]
The Wolfpack is loaded with talent, well coached, should win the Mountain West, and will play their home games before sellout (11,000) crowds. Sweet sixteen is a sure bet, good chance for better.
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.[/quote]
The Wolfpack is loaded with talent, well coached, should win the Mountain West, and will play their home games before sellout (11,000) crowds. Sweet sixteen is a sure bet, good chance for better.
[quote="Paultzman" post=286868][quote="NCJohnnie" post=286864]Given that he has to be enrolled in his new school to apply for hardship waiver, I would think we'd know where he is going by the end of the weekend, no?[/quote]
Or sooner[/quote]
Nothing's a given. But if Paultz is confident, we should be .
And if he becomes immediately eligible--it'll be a veritable godsend and downright magical combined with Shamorie's return
Wow
Or sooner[/quote]
Nothing's a given. But if Paultz is confident, we should be .
And if he becomes immediately eligible--it'll be a veritable godsend and downright magical combined with Shamorie's return
Wow
L J S A
Well-known member
[quote="fordham96" post=286866][quote="L J S A" post=286865][quote="AlBovino" post=286861]Nevada won't make the Elite 8 much less the Final Four next year.[/quote]
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.[/quote]
I can say Duke, Kentucky, Kansas aren't going to the Final Four next year either. It is actually isn't that far fetched since only 4 teams out of over 300 can go. Now tell me all 3 will fail to win 28+ games, tell me all 3 won't get a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tourney and tell me all 3 will finish outside the AP top 10. That is going out on a limb.[/quote]
I usually avoid picking Kentucky for Final Four since everyone else in my main pool does when they have a great year, and that's too many bodies to climb in the standings. I'd rather take my chances with dark horse -- I picked Marquette the year they destroyed that Kentucky team and shot up to the top of the standings. Unfortunately, I had Marquette winning it all that year and finished third.
I think landing Travis will greatly influence who I pick out of Kentucky or Duke to go to Final Four. But I think out of the three, I have Kansas in the Final Four most often when I opt to go blue blood direction. Not quite feeling them for next year, even though they got their big man back.
I kick ass in the opening rounds most of the time, but no one is paying me for my bracket.
You stick to your Final Four method, I'll stick to mine, and you can feel free to revisit this conversation in April. That Nevada team is likely going to win 35 games next season and have a top 15 offense nationally.[/quote]
I can say Duke, Kentucky, Kansas aren't going to the Final Four next year either. It is actually isn't that far fetched since only 4 teams out of over 300 can go. Now tell me all 3 will fail to win 28+ games, tell me all 3 won't get a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tourney and tell me all 3 will finish outside the AP top 10. That is going out on a limb.[/quote]
I usually avoid picking Kentucky for Final Four since everyone else in my main pool does when they have a great year, and that's too many bodies to climb in the standings. I'd rather take my chances with dark horse -- I picked Marquette the year they destroyed that Kentucky team and shot up to the top of the standings. Unfortunately, I had Marquette winning it all that year and finished third.
I think landing Travis will greatly influence who I pick out of Kentucky or Duke to go to Final Four. But I think out of the three, I have Kansas in the Final Four most often when I opt to go blue blood direction. Not quite feeling them for next year, even though they got their big man back.
I kick ass in the opening rounds most of the time, but no one is paying me for my bracket.