2017-18 Transfers

[quote="fordham96" post=286565][quote="Moose" post=286560][quote="fordham96" post=286552][quote="Moose" post=286542]

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.
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Even if that is the case, I still don't see the downside. There is no guarantee you are using the scholarship anyway, so the difference is 10 eligible players with 2 sit out transfers or 10 eligible players with 3 sit out players next year. And if he were to leave before playing all he did was use a scholarship you weren't going to use anyway. It won't stop them from recruiting top guards and swingmen. In other words players like Cockburn, Gaffney, Lewis, Whitney etc are not connected to Heron in any way.

The other thing is why would he sit a year and NOT then play? I can see him not wanting to sit a year, but once he commits to that why would he then bail before he had an opportunity to play and improve his game in live competition.[/quote]

There are many scenarios that both you and I can propose and we wouldn't be right or wrong. I don't have the faith in staff being proactive and using him strictly as a wildcard after a sit out year. I'd fear too much that plans would revolve around him and then losing Clark and maybe Ponds or Simon leaves you very short handed and if Heron said adios then what. Again nothing concrete but I think as a fan of this school I've earned the right to be skeptical. And I'd worry about other prospective recruits maybe being worried about shots or PT.

As for why would he leave. Again plenty of things can change. Hope nothing changes with family situation of course. But that or handler or agents chirping in ear. Maybe not liking what he saw while sitting out. Again if we had a stacked team and he was strictly a wildcard great. But I think we can all agree he's more like a godsend then a wildcard[/quote]

Most of that is worst case scenario stuff. That's fine but that is a lot of speculation. And no I am not worried about Heron blunting recruiting. I worry more about the staff inability to land top recruits than I do about them being scare off about Heron. Honestly I am tough on this staff with justification, don't have a problem with taking him even with the worst case scenario.[/quote]

Never said I have a problem taking him. But please have contingency plans in place. Planning ahead so you don't get caught with Fran pants
 
[quote="fordham96" post=286566][quote="Chicago Days" post=286564][quote="Moose" post=286558][quote="Chicago Days" post=286553][quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Definitely fingers crossed, all of it comes up roses.
But I wonder how difficult it would be for a kid who wasn't invited to the NBA combine after a very good year, attract much interest from NBA evaluators after a year of practice.
He'd have to dominate at either the combine or at team sessions.
Very possible for a skilled and great athlete, but kind of an uphill challenge.
So, maybe if he has to sit, he will play 1 year, with the further potential upside of attracting some top 2018 talent here.?
Dunno.
That said, sure, I'd luv for the stars to align for him and us for him to be immediately eligible.
Be great for his family as well.
"We shall see."[/quote]

Diallo from Kentucky kind of similar that first half year[/quote]

Good point. Diallo played 1/2 year and then declared for draft. I guess it depends.[/quote]

Diallo did not play. He enrolled at UK mid-season and redshirted. This was his 1st and only year.[/quote]

Cheick Diallo? I thought he played 2nd half of the '15/16 season. I may have the wrong Diallo.
 
[quote="Moose" post=286568][quote="fordham96" post=286565][quote="Moose" post=286560][quote="fordham96" post=286552][quote="Moose" post=286542]

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.
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Even if that is the case, I still don't see the downside. There is no guarantee you are using the scholarship anyway, so the difference is 10 eligible players with 2 sit out transfers or 10 eligible players with 3 sit out players next year. And if he were to leave before playing all he did was use a scholarship you weren't going to use anyway. It won't stop them from recruiting top guards and swingmen. In other words players like Cockburn, Gaffney, Lewis, Whitney etc are not connected to Heron in any way.

The other thing is why would he sit a year and NOT then play? I can see him not wanting to sit a year, but once he commits to that why would he then bail before he had an opportunity to play and improve his game in live competition.[/quote]

There are many scenarios that both you and I can propose and we wouldn't be right or wrong. I don't have the faith in staff being proactive and using him strictly as a wildcard after a sit out year. I'd fear too much that plans would revolve around him and then losing Clark and maybe Ponds or Simon leaves you very short handed and if Heron said adios then what. Again nothing concrete but I think as a fan of this school I've earned the right to be skeptical. And I'd worry about other prospective recruits maybe being worried about shots or PT.

As for why would he leave. Again plenty of things can change. Hope nothing changes with family situation of course. But that or handler or agents chirping in ear. Maybe not liking what he saw while sitting out. Again if we had a stacked team and he was strictly a wildcard great. But I think we can all agree he's more like a godsend then a wildcard[/quote]

Most of that is worst case scenario stuff. That's fine but that is a lot of speculation. And no I am not worried about Heron blunting recruiting. I worry more about the staff inability to land top recruits than I do about them being scare off about Heron. Honestly I am tough on this staff with justification, don't have a problem with taking him even with the worst case scenario.[/quote]

Never said I have a problem taking him. But please have contingency plans in place. Planning ahead so you don't get caught with Fran pants[/quote]

I'm fine with labeling it a 'godsend'. If he chooses us, it's a schollie we were not likely using any way this year.
 
[quote="Moose" post=286568][quote="fordham96" post=286565][quote="Moose" post=286560][quote="fordham96" post=286552][quote="Moose" post=286542]

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.
[/quote]

Even if that is the case, I still don't see the downside. There is no guarantee you are using the scholarship anyway, so the difference is 10 eligible players with 2 sit out transfers or 10 eligible players with 3 sit out players next year. And if he were to leave before playing all he did was use a scholarship you weren't going to use anyway. It won't stop them from recruiting top guards and swingmen. In other words players like Cockburn, Gaffney, Lewis, Whitney etc are not connected to Heron in any way.

The other thing is why would he sit a year and NOT then play? I can see him not wanting to sit a year, but once he commits to that why would he then bail before he had an opportunity to play and improve his game in live competition.[/quote]

There are many scenarios that both you and I can propose and we wouldn't be right or wrong. I don't have the faith in staff being proactive and using him strictly as a wildcard after a sit out year. I'd fear too much that plans would revolve around him and then losing Clark and maybe Ponds or Simon leaves you very short handed and if Heron said adios then what. Again nothing concrete but I think as a fan of this school I've earned the right to be skeptical. And I'd worry about other prospective recruits maybe being worried about shots or PT.

As for why would he leave. Again plenty of things can change. Hope nothing changes with family situation of course. But that or handler or agents chirping in ear. Maybe not liking what he saw while sitting out. Again if we had a stacked team and he was strictly a wildcard great. But I think we can all agree he's more like a godsend then a wildcard[/quote]

Most of that is worst case scenario stuff. That's fine but that is a lot of speculation. And no I am not worried about Heron blunting recruiting. I worry more about the staff inability to land top recruits than I do about them being scare off about Heron. Honestly I am tough on this staff with justification, don't have a problem with taking him even with the worst case scenario.[/quote]

Never said I have a problem taking him. But please have contingency plans in place. Planning ahead so you don't get caught with Fran pants[/quote]

The contingency is recruiting hard for 2019 and 2020 which they should be doing anyway regardless of Heron. This is like running a Hedge Fund, it is about accumulating assets. Big time assets. Heron or no Heron they need to get recruiting momentum. Keep in mind if Heron is eligible immediately he is likely gone in 2019 as is Ponds. So SJU knows it will need to recruit hard in 2019 anyway whether Heron comes or if that is an open schollie for 2018-19 that they never filled.
 
Andrew Slater
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Assuming Andy has a good source and I know he does, that is a lot of schools willing to presumably take the same chance SJU is wrt/Heron playing.not playing.

@Andrew__Slater
3h3 hours ago
More Andrew Slater Retweeted Ed Daigneault
Source extremely close to the Mustapha Heron @Kingheron5 recruitment says Maryland, BC, UConn, Penn State Texas Tech, Western Kentucky & Pitt have inquired in last 3 hours
 
[quote="fordham96" post=286573]Andrew Slater
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Assuming Andy has a good source and I know he does, that is a lot of schools willing to presumably take the same chance SJU is wrt/Heron playing.not playing.

@Andrew__Slater
3h3 hours ago
More Andrew Slater Retweeted Ed Daigneault
Source extremely close to the Mustapha Heron @Kingheron5 recruitment says Maryland, BC, UConn, Penn State Texas Tech, Western Kentucky & Pitt have inquired in last 3 hours[/quote]

Maryland and Uconn would be the only two teams on that list that would make any sense to me IMO.
 
[quote="mattc" post=286574][quote="fordham96" post=286573]Andrew Slater
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Assuming Andy has a good source and I know he does, that is a lot of schools willing to presumably take the same chance SJU is wrt/Heron playing.not playing.

@Andrew__Slater
3h3 hours ago
More Andrew Slater Retweeted Ed Daigneault
Source extremely close to the Mustapha Heron @Kingheron5 recruitment says Maryland, BC, UConn, Penn State Texas Tech, Western Kentucky & Pitt have inquired in last 3 hours[/quote]

Maryland and Uconn would be the only two teams on that list that would make any sense to me IMO.[/quote]

To me, only St. John's. U-Con-vict (thanks to RedStorm.Rising2 for that gem), and maybe BC make sense if the goal is to play close to family.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=286573]Andrew Slater
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Assuming Andy has a good source and I know he does, that is a lot of schools willing to presumably take the same chance SJU is wrt/Heron playing.not playing.

@Andrew__Slater
3h3 hours ago
More Andrew Slater Retweeted Ed Daigneault
Source extremely close to the Mustapha Heron @Kingheron5 recruitment says Maryland, BC, UConn, Penn State Texas Tech, Western Kentucky & Pitt have inquired in last 3 hours[/quote]

Jesus, these cats are like vulture. This is going to be a ugly war. Oh well, in the words of Twork

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[quote="fordham96" post=286573]Andrew Slater
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Assuming Andy has a good source and I know he does, that is a lot of schools willing to presumably take the same chance SJU is wrt/Heron playing.not playing.

@Andrew__Slater
3h3 hours ago
More Andrew Slater Retweeted Ed Daigneault
Source extremely close to the Mustapha Heron @Kingheron5 recruitment says Maryland, BC, UConn, Penn State Texas Tech, Western Kentucky & Pitt have inquired in last 3 hours[/quote]

What he tweets is irrelevant.. You said done deal, right?
 
Here is the Mjmaherjr stance on this, Our high school recruiting sucks. Love the Williams signing even though lim 99% of us I haven't seen anything other than youtube. But other than that our hs recruiting sucks. Now transfers we excel and if we get Heron " HELL YES " !!!!!!!!
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=286556][quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Agree with your entire post. I, too, think we could open ourselves up to a couple of unfortunate scenarios if Heron isn't immediately eligible.

I will say Ponds, Simon, Heron and Figueroa would be a "disgusting" group. Hopefully, it comes to pass.[/quote] this would be stupid good and the one chance for small ball vision for Mullin to succeed. That group could be so good even sitting on the scorers table would be fine by me
 
I can't take credit for Uconvict, that's been kicking around this site for a while. :D

I do have a good feeling about Heron only because 2 SHU fans that always rip on me told me even though SHU needs a pg they weren't going after Heron because they thought Heron to STJ was a forgone conclusion. (They also thought there is no way he gets a hardship waiver). Take it for what it's worth, which is almost nothing.
 
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=286587]I can't take credit for Uconvict, that's been kicking around this site for a while. :D

I do have a good feeling about Heron only because 2 SHU fans that always rip on me told me even though SHU needs a pg they weren't going after Heron because they thought Heron to STJ was a forgone conclusion. (They also thought there is no way he gets a hardship waiver). Take it for what it's worth, which is almost nothing.[/quote]

Lol! Well, whoever said it should get a prize!
 
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=286587]I can't take credit for Uconvict, that's been kicking around this site for a while. :D

I do have a good feeling about Heron only because 2 SHU fans that always rip on me told me even though SHU needs a pg they weren't going after Heron because they thought Heron to STJ was a forgone conclusion. (They also thought there is no way he gets a hardship waiver). Take it for what it's worth, which is almost nothing.[/quote]

Yeah, it's hard for me to believe as well, since the NCAA has turned down 'a dad's cancer' as recently as 2015 to continue its hard-assed interpretation of the rule.
But maybe just maybe, they may think 'modifying it' makes sense.
But should the transfer come to pass, I still luv the 'godsend'.
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=286590]IMO worst case scenario he comes for one year and pushes our guys every day in practice[/quote]

Exactly how I look at it. Worst case if he sits out and then leaves, we have him for a year pushing the other guys in workouts and drills and playing on the scout team in practice helping them raise their games. Not bad for a scholarship that was probably not going to be used.

I trust Paultzman but let’s close this deal.
 
Seems like Heron will soon announce he is transferring to St. John's. The first summer session begins this week, so it may happen fast.

This is a "no-brainer", as he is an outstanding talent. That said, a few points to consider:

1. Given the NCAA's most recent stance on Hardship Waivers, it should be considered a long shot.

2. A ruling on the waiver will not come soon. Think 4-5 months.

3. Whether Heron gets the waiver or not, come next spring, he may decide to (again) exercise his right to explore NBA options without penalty to his college eligibility.

4. The range of MH's possible impact is expansive. It could be a program-changing acquisition, or he may never play a minute for SJU.

Again, regardless of outcome, this is a good move. The staff just needs to plan for the worst, so we don't get screwed.
 
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Did they change the rule that only allowed for a one time testing of the waters for the draft and being eligible to return to school?
 
[quote="bamafan" post=286596]Did they change the rule that only allowed for a one time testing of the waters for the draft and being eligible to return to school?[/quote]

Yes. They can now declare multiple times, so long as they do not hire an agent.
My point is, it might be a challenge to favorably impress NBA people, following a year in practice and not in-game competition.
But who knows.
 
If Heron comes he is definitely playing the following year at the least. Come on SJU fans we are traumatized but that will happen
 
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