2017-18 Transfers

Some fans are so quick to push kids out, then complaint about inexperience and roster depth. Trimble showed some nice things last year. Can shoot, has size for a guard, doesn't force things, probably can develop into a nice rebounder for the position, played smart for a freshman. An in-shape Trimble - and getting more athletic and quicker is his biggest offseason issue to address - -can absolutely be a valuable contributor. If the kid buys in that is exactly the type of depth you want who can grow into a better player down the line and lead to less roster turnover.

[quote="fordham96" post=286529]I'd be careful about publicly stating that you "hope" or "maybe it will happen" with regards to a current player transferring.[/quote]
 
Let’s face it, Heron is a total stud. SG with size that will be an NBA’er. Best thing we can possibly do with that last scholarship. I’d love to see him get a waiver but even if not, totally worth it. 5-Star kid. The type of talent we need to get it done at next level..
 
[quote="simplyred" post=286533][quote="Paultzman" post=286349][quote="fordham96" post=286345]All but a done deal with MH.[/quote]
Hearing Friday arrival rumblings. We’ll see.[/quote]
Slice putting in work[/quote]

Sounds funny but in actuality we would even be on the radar had it not been for Slice.
Should this come to fruition could a thawing of the contractual stalemate be far behind?
Who would have thought that we would be THIS CLOSE to solving the nuclear threat of war with North Korea?;)
Anything is possible!
 
I'm not sure how this works. The kid has publicly announced--or his dad has--that he has dropped out of the NBA Draft and plans to transfer to be closer to his mom because of her illness and plans to seek an NCAA waiver to be able to play immediately at his new school.
Does his current school grants that request 'automatically'?
It will also be interesting to see what the NCAA's decides.
As of a few years ago, they turned down a football player's request for immediate eligibility so his dad--who had cancer--could see him play.
Maybe the NCAA wants to modify it's current hardball policy on the rule.
Timing is, indeed, everything.
 
Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.
 
Never read those tea leaves. Realism is that we are lucky for NCAA to rule on this any earlier than Sept. Think the NCAA might be stringent on this. That being said a little surprised the transfer rules changes seem to have quieted down somewhat.

If we have a local guard tandem starring on a successful Big East team.... man that really could bring attention to the Gaffneys of this coast. Thanks Matty and hope Mr. Rice is our July present.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Totally get it and guys transfer/leave all the time, but what would be the benefit of that? Why not g league or some other route? Maybe he could get a degree in the one year.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=286545][quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Totally get it and guys transfer/leave all the time, but what would be the benefit of that? Why not g league or some other route? Maybe he could get a degree in the one year.[/quote]

I don't know the exact reason G league is crap pay and you're bouncing around random cities. I mean there is the factor where mom is sick. And I'm sure it's happened before. Where a kid as a soph tried for draft and still ended up playing 4 college years. Just would be very skeptical. And fearful it puts eggs in a basket only to have carpet pulled out from under
 
Enough with the running kids out of town. Trimble was a frosh last year. Had some trying moments but also some positive ones. Give him room and time. Every player doesn't have to have an immediate impact.
 
[quote="Moose" post=286542]

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.
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Even if that is the case, I still don't see the downside. There is no guarantee you are using the scholarship anyway, so the difference is 10 eligible players with 2 sit out transfers or 10 eligible players with 3 sit out players next year. And if he were to leave before playing all he did was use a scholarship you weren't going to use anyway. It won't stop them from recruiting top guards and swingmen. In other words players like Cockburn, Gaffney, Lewis, Whitney etc are not connected to Heron in any way.

The other thing is why would he sit a year and NOT then play? I can see him not wanting to sit a year, but once he commits to that why would he then bail before he had an opportunity to play and improve his game in live competition.
 
[quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Definitely fingers crossed, all of it comes up roses.
But I wonder how difficult it would be for a kid who wasn't invited to the NBA combine after a very good year, attract much interest from NBA evaluators after a year of practice.
He'd have to dominate at either the combine or at team sessions.
Very possible for a skilled and great athlete, but kind of an uphill challenge.
So, maybe if he has to sit, he will play 1 year, with the further potential upside of attracting some top 2018 talent here.?
Dunno.
That said, sure, I'd luv for the stars to align for him and us for him to be immediately eligible.
Be great for his family as well.
"We shall see."
 
[quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Agree with your entire post. I, too, think we could open ourselves up to a couple of unfortunate scenarios if Heron isn't immediately eligible.

I will say Ponds, Simon, Heron and Figueroa would be a "disgusting" group. Hopefully, it comes to pass.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=286553][quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Definitely fingers crossed, all of it comes up roses.
But I wonder how difficult it would be for a kid who wasn't invited to the NBA combine after a very good year, attract much interest from NBA evaluators after a year of practice.
He'd have to dominate at either the combine or at team sessions.
Very possible for a skilled and great athlete, but kind of an uphill challenge.
So, maybe if he has to sit, he will play 1 year, with the further potential upside of attracting some top 2018 talent here.?
Dunno.
That said, sure, I'd luv for the stars to align for him and us for him to be immediately eligible.
Be great for his family as well.
"We shall see."[/quote]

Diallo from Kentucky kind of similar that first half year
 
[quote="fordham96" post=286552][quote="Moose" post=286542]

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.
[/quote]

Even if that is the case, I still don't see the downside. There is no guarantee you are using the scholarship anyway, so the difference is 10 eligible players with 2 sit out transfers or 10 eligible players with 3 sit out players next year. And if he were to leave before playing all he did was use a scholarship you weren't going to use anyway. It won't stop them from recruiting top guards and swingmen. In other words players like Cockburn, Gaffney, Lewis, Whitney etc are not connected to Heron in any way.

The other thing is why would he sit a year and NOT then play? I can see him not wanting to sit a year, but once he commits to that why would he then bail before he had an opportunity to play and improve his game in live competition.[/quote]

That's what I was trying to say! You said it better. Thanks.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=286552][quote="Moose" post=286542]

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.
[/quote]

Even if that is the case, I still don't see the downside. There is no guarantee you are using the scholarship anyway, so the difference is 10 eligible players with 2 sit out transfers or 10 eligible players with 3 sit out players next year. And if he were to leave before playing all he did was use a scholarship you weren't going to use anyway. It won't stop them from recruiting top guards and swingmen. In other words players like Cockburn, Gaffney, Lewis, Whitney etc are not connected to Heron in any way.

The other thing is why would he sit a year and NOT then play? I can see him not wanting to sit a year, but once he commits to that why would he then bail before he had an opportunity to play and improve his game in live competition.[/quote]

There are many scenarios that both you and I can propose and we wouldn't be right or wrong. I don't have the faith in staff being proactive and using him strictly as a wildcard after a sit out year. I'd fear too much that plans would revolve around him and then losing Clark and maybe Ponds or Simon leaves you very short handed and if Heron said adios then what. Again nothing concrete but I think as a fan of this school I've earned the right to be skeptical. And I'd worry about other prospective recruits maybe being worried about shots or PT.

As for why would he leave. Again plenty of things can change. Hope nothing changes with family situation of course. But that or handler or agents chirping in ear. Maybe not liking what he saw while sitting out. Again if we had a stacked team and he was strictly a wildcard great. But I think we can all agree he's more like a godsend then a wildcard
 
Here is the final reason why there is little downside and potential high upside (either next year or 19/20 season). Not to be mean to Diakite but knowing his injury and his lack of progress in recovery, assuming you had the choice, who would you rather use that scholarship on: Mustapha Heron with the potential to play as early as this coming season or Diakite? Again no disrespect to Diakite, it ain't even close....

Unless you are going to tell me they had a 5 star kid lined up or a grad big lined up with big numbers ready to contribute immediately there is little downside to this. Best case he is immediately eligible and plays big time, next best case he sits next year and steps in for Ponds starting 19/20 and worst case is he sits a year and then decides to leave. That worst case doesn't scare me much at all.
 
[quote="Moose" post=286558][quote="Chicago Days" post=286553][quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Definitely fingers crossed, all of it comes up roses.
But I wonder how difficult it would be for a kid who wasn't invited to the NBA combine after a very good year, attract much interest from NBA evaluators after a year of practice.
He'd have to dominate at either the combine or at team sessions.
Very possible for a skilled and great athlete, but kind of an uphill challenge.
So, maybe if he has to sit, he will play 1 year, with the further potential upside of attracting some top 2018 talent here.?
Dunno.
That said, sure, I'd luv for the stars to align for him and us for him to be immediately eligible.
Be great for his family as well.
"We shall see."[/quote]

Diallo from Kentucky kind of similar that first half year[/quote]

Good point. Diallo played 1/2 year and then declared for draft. I guess it depends.
 
[quote="Moose" post=286560][quote="fordham96" post=286552][quote="Moose" post=286542]

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.
[/quote]

Even if that is the case, I still don't see the downside. There is no guarantee you are using the scholarship anyway, so the difference is 10 eligible players with 2 sit out transfers or 10 eligible players with 3 sit out players next year. And if he were to leave before playing all he did was use a scholarship you weren't going to use anyway. It won't stop them from recruiting top guards and swingmen. In other words players like Cockburn, Gaffney, Lewis, Whitney etc are not connected to Heron in any way.

The other thing is why would he sit a year and NOT then play? I can see him not wanting to sit a year, but once he commits to that why would he then bail before he had an opportunity to play and improve his game in live competition.[/quote]

There are many scenarios that both you and I can propose and we wouldn't be right or wrong. I don't have the faith in staff being proactive and using him strictly as a wildcard after a sit out year. I'd fear too much that plans would revolve around him and then losing Clark and maybe Ponds or Simon leaves you very short handed and if Heron said adios then what. Again nothing concrete but I think as a fan of this school I've earned the right to be skeptical. And I'd worry about other prospective recruits maybe being worried about shots or PT.

As for why would he leave. Again plenty of things can change. Hope nothing changes with family situation of course. But that or handler or agents chirping in ear. Maybe not liking what he saw while sitting out. Again if we had a stacked team and he was strictly a wildcard great. But I think we can all agree he's more like a godsend then a wildcard[/quote]

Most of that is worst case scenario stuff. That's fine but that is a lot of speculation. And no I am not worried about Heron blunting recruiting. I worry more about the staff inability to land top recruits than I do about them being scare off about Heron. Honestly I am tough on this staff with justification, don't have a problem with taking him even with the worst case scenario.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=286564][quote="Moose" post=286558][quote="Chicago Days" post=286553][quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Definitely fingers crossed, all of it comes up roses.
But I wonder how difficult it would be for a kid who wasn't invited to the NBA combine after a very good year, attract much interest from NBA evaluators after a year of practice.
He'd have to dominate at either the combine or at team sessions.
Very possible for a skilled and great athlete, but kind of an uphill challenge.
So, maybe if he has to sit, he will play 1 year, with the further potential upside of attracting some top 2018 talent here.?
Dunno.
That said, sure, I'd luv for the stars to align for him and us for him to be immediately eligible.
Be great for his family as well.
"We shall see."[/quote]

Diallo from Kentucky kind of similar that first half year[/quote]

Good point. Diallo played 1/2 year and then declared for draft. I guess it depends.[/quote]

Diallo did not play. He enrolled at UK mid-season and redshirted. This was his 1st and only year.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=286564][quote="Moose" post=286558][quote="Chicago Days" post=286553][quote="Moose" post=286542]Look Heron is great. I wanted him out of HS big time.

But I hope he's immediately eligible. I just don't see how a kid who flirted with draft would sit out and then play. He would sit out and practice but then I can only imagine him leaving then.

Again fingers crossed the ball finally bounces our way here. And if it does then all the chips are pushed to the middle.[/quote]

Definitely fingers crossed, all of it comes up roses.
But I wonder how difficult it would be for a kid who wasn't invited to the NBA combine after a very good year, attract much interest from NBA evaluators after a year of practice.
He'd have to dominate at either the combine or at team sessions.
Very possible for a skilled and great athlete, but kind of an uphill challenge.
So, maybe if he has to sit, he will play 1 year, with the further potential upside of attracting some top 2018 talent here.?
Dunno.
That said, sure, I'd luv for the stars to align for him and us for him to be immediately eligible.
Be great for his family as well.
"We shall see."[/quote]

Diallo from Kentucky kind of similar that first half year[/quote]

Good point. Diallo played 1/2 year and then declared for draft. I guess it depends.[/quote]

He didn't play at all that first year. He joined Kentucky mid year and just practiced. Tested waters and likely should have stayed in but came back. His stock was higher then.
 
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