19-20 Transfers

Paultzman wrote: New Mexico forward Vance Jackson has entered his name into the Transfer Portal. Grad-transfer for the fall that averaged over 11 points and five rebounds last season.
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Very consistent three year career. Another kid who'd be a decent replacement for LJ but will be long gone by the time LJ makes a decision.
 
When I look at these transfer players the first stat that I am looking at the past 3+ seasons is Total Rebounds. Not just because we need rebounds but to me it is a toughness indicator. ("a" not "the") and toughness is required when both under Mullin and CMA we are playing undersized vs pretty much every opponent. When I drill down I look at the total average but then I look at individual game performance vs high majors. So for example Goodwin had 2 boards vs Butler which was a red flag but then vs Duke and UNC he had good numbers.
The next stat I look at is FT%. To me this is tipping point number. Guys who put up good stats but then kill you on FTs and Turnovers (next) have to be weighed accordingly and way too many fans and coaches miss this.
Toro, not a lot to go by last season by my methods because they didn't play any high majors, but the previous season put up good numbers vs Mich and UVA as well as vs MIA and Xavier in previous seasons. All good there. FT% definitely a red flag and borderline into the scary bad last season. Turnovers in the acceptable range. I would still take this kid normally but considering Roberts struggles at the FT line makes it more questionable.
That said, I would take Toro over Goodwin whose FT numbers are worse than Roberts (first and second year 31 and 33% but improved to 51 3rd year) and almost into the Shaq level of painfully bad.
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=383779]When I look at these transfer players the first stat that I am looking at the past 3+ seasons is Total Rebounds. Not just because we need rebounds but to me it is a toughness indicator. ("a" not "the") and toughness is required when both under Mullin and CMA we are playing undersized vs pretty much every opponent. When I drill down I look at the total average but then I look at individual game performance vs high majors. So for example Goodwin had 2 boards vs Butler which was a red flag but then vs Duke and UNC he had good numbers.
The next stat I look at is FT%. To me this is tipping point number. Guys who put up good stats but then kill you on FTs and Turnovers (next) have to be weighed accordingly and way too many fans and coaches miss this.
Toro, not a lot to go by last season by my methods because they didn't play any high majors, but the previous season put up good numbers vs Mich and UVA as well as vs MIA and Xavier in previous seasons. All good there. FT% definitely a red flag and borderline into the scary bad last season. Turnovers in the acceptable range. I would still take this kid normally but considering Roberts struggles at the FT line makes it more questionable.
That said, I would take Toro over Goodwin whose FT numbers are worse than Roberts (first and second year 31 and 33% but improved to 51 3rd year) and almost into the Shaq level of painfully bad.[/quote]

What Toro has that Roberts doesn’t is offensive post ability. We desperately need guys that can score inside. This kid seems to use his body well and have ability in there. Seems he can score down low and with our kind of team we need a guy who we can dump down to who’s at least somewhat of a threat. This kid doesn’t seem like one that’s gonna miss the bunnies around the rim.
 
I notice people keep referring to how we played down the stretch. I hope they aren't using that as the benchmark moving forward. 5 games shouldnt be an indicator of the big picture.
 
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Evan Daniels
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Wofford graduate transfer Chevez Goodwin just verbally committed to USC, he tells
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. Averaged 11.9 PPG and 6.2 RPG this past season.
 
[quote="Moose" post=383788]I notice people keep referring to how we played down the stretch. I hope they aren't using that as the benchmark moving forward. 5 games shouldnt be an indicator of the big picture.[/quote]


When you have that team coming back, why can’t it be an indicator?
 
[quote="Moose" post=383788]I notice people keep referring to how we played down the stretch. I hope they aren't using that as the benchmark moving forward. 5 games shouldnt be an indicator of the big picture.[/quote]

Not a benchmark at all. I just mean that we were playing well ending the season and likely gonna beat Creighton and advance in the BET imo. We need a lot more talent, and are getting a lot more than we had this season which should be great for us. If LJ comes back we lose essentially no major contributors except an injured Heron, but gain a ton of new and more talented parts. I’m excited and hope LJ returns, so we don’t have to do any late shopping for Wings. What LJ does have which you can’t teach is a little bit of that D’Lo killer instinct and with more players around him, he won’t have to force as much.
 
McGowens wants to play PG
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Pitt transfer Trey McGowens is considering Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Seton Hall and TCU
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=383795][quote="Moose" post=383788]I notice people keep referring to how we played down the stretch. I hope they aren't using that as the benchmark moving forward. 5 games shouldnt be an indicator of the big picture.[/quote]


When you have that team coming back, why can’t it be an indicator?[/quote]

A variety of reasons. We all hope players continue to improve. However possibly that is their ceiling. Maybe certain players in certain roles played over their head?
I'm more saying what I said for those who think the last 5 games of the year with Julian and Marcellus playing the 5 is oh its ok no worries if we don't get a big man. Look how we did then. (I'm paraphrasing)

And no I'm not in the camp who cries we need a big bruiser that we have lacked for the last 2 decades. We need a true big man not having two bright spots who played out of position.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=383801][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=383795][quote="Moose" post=383788]I notice people keep referring to how we played down the stretch. I hope they aren't using that as the benchmark moving forward. 5 games shouldnt be an indicator of the big picture.[/quote]


When you have that team coming back, why can’t it be an indicator?[/quote]

A variety of reasons. We all hope players continue to improve. However possibly that is their ceiling. Maybe certain players in certain roles played over their head?
I'm more saying what I said for those who think the last 5 games of the year with Julian and Marcellus playing the 5 is oh its ok no worries if we don't get a big man. Look how we did then. (I'm paraphrasing)

And no I'm not in the camp who cries we need a big bruiser that we have lacked for the last 2 decades. We need a true big man not having two bright spots who played out of position.[/quote]

Don’t disagree with you. But our situation was unique in the sense we started playing a different group down the stretch and we had success with it. Don’t think it’s meaningless in our situation. I also know I’ve said it already but I think we will see a lot of Champ and Earlington together and I think that works much better as a 4-5 than a 3-4.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=383807][quote="Moose" post=383801][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=383795][quote="Moose" post=383788]I notice people keep referring to how we played down the stretch. I hope they aren't using that as the benchmark moving forward. 5 games shouldnt be an indicator of the big picture.[/quote]

Couldnt agree more. And the duke shut done gtown’s skilled 7 footer when he was put on him in the 2nd half of that game. Took him right out of the game. We played much better with the small ball lineup.



When you have that team coming back, why can’t it be an indicator?[/quote]

A variety of reasons. We all hope players continue to improve. However possibly that is their ceiling. Maybe certain players in certain roles played over their head?
I'm more saying what I said for those who think the last 5 games of the year with Julian and Marcellus playing the 5 is oh its ok no worries if we don't get a big man. Look how we did then. (I'm paraphrasing)

And no I'm not in the camp who cries we need a big bruiser that we have lacked for the last 2 decades. We need a true big man not having two bright spots who played out of position.[/quote]

Don’t disagree with you. But our situation was unique in the sense we started playing a different group down the stretch and we had success with it. Don’t think it’s meaningless in our situation. I also know I’ve said it already but I think we will see a lot of Champ and Earlington together and I think that works much better as a 4-5 than a 3-4.[/quote]
 
Yes, my bad when I said that he is a Sears “type” player, I did not know he was playing above Marfo his freshman year and that injuries have plagued him, if he can get healthy I think he can be a key piece, I also believe Sears never fully recovered from his surgery.
 
[quote="SJU14" post=383851]https://twitter.com/andrew__slater/status/1245007560891158528?s=21[/quote]

Terrible offensive player. Regressed from 2018-2019 to 2019-2020. But he's 6'11, 240+....
 
Familiar name

San Francisco’s leading scorer, Charles Minlend, is in the portal, source told @Stadium. 6-4 junior guard averaged 14.4 points and 4.7 boards this past season. Will be a grad transfer.
 
The staff should be in on every single big man grad transfer. When the list comes out on who is in contact with these guys and we are not even mentioned it is very frustrating. I don't know if maybe they are contacting them and this staff just keeps things on the low down, but not at least trying is criminal at this point with the lack of depth we have in this area.
 
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I’m sure the staff is doing everything they can to contact every grad transfer that fits. I haven’t noticed anything that makes me question this staffs effort to improve the program or put in the work. Refreshing thought IMO
 
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