Smith Injury

If i recall, Pitino said two different things.

They didn't want to play him but Smith wanted to...then he said to give him some burn.

If they didn't want to play him, why did they?
Then he went on and said how he hadn’t gotten work in recently and then they thought it would help him get back in shape for next game or something to that effect.
 
Then he went on and said how he hadn’t gotten work in recently and then they thought it would help him get back in shape for next game or something to that effect.
His wording was not very good and just added to the confusion when he said him and the trainer both didn’t want him to play. Or maybe he could have given a reason.
 
This is where speculation by us on the outside means nothing. Myself included since I don’t know what he’s got going on. I’m just giving generalities about injuries etc.

I’m sure you also mean dislocation and not separation as that is a different joint in the shoulder area. Separation is usually inferring the a-c joint. And dislocation or subluxation is the g-h joint. That’s what is usually popped back in.

What a great job alumni hall had being a part of all this.
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Dislocation. Thanks for the catch on that. With dislocation guessing pt involves strengthening the muscles in thst area. Correct?
 
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Dislocation. Thanks for the catch on that. With dislocation guessing pt involves strengthening the muscles in thst area. Correct?
Yup you got it. Strengthen the muscles to help stabilize the g-h joint and keep that humeral head in place along with the ligaments.

But I’ve also been hearing shoulder bruise. So who knows what his injury fully is. At least in this specific incident.
 
Smith looked completely fine in warmups and was hitting more jumpers than Sim or Glover. He looked really excited and clearly wanted to play. Pitino’s language postgame made it sound like he wanted him warmed up in game situations for next week. I trust him and the staff.

I’d be lying if I didn’t compare him to Thibs late in the game though. Lol
 
Smith looked completely fine in warmups and was hitting more jumpers than Sim or Glover. He looked really excited and clearly wanted to play. Pitino’s language postgame made it sound like he wanted him warmed up in game situations for next week. I trust him and the staff.

I’d be lying if I didn’t compare him to Thibs late in the game though. Lol
Thibs would have left him in our “Willis Reed Moment” when he re-entered game w one arm while Mas iced the other on the bench.
 
Thibs would have left him in our “Willis Reed Moment” when he re-entered game w one arm while Mas iced the other on the bench.
Have heard analogies to a Willis Reed moment hundreds of times. In my mind there was only ONE Willis Reed moment. Just like there was only one Ali-Frazier event. (I know they fought 3 times and the third fight rivaled the first for content but not for build up or enormity of the event).
 
Have heard analogies to a Willis Reed moment hundreds of times. In my mind there was only ONE Willis Reed moment. Just like there was only one Ali-Frazier event. (I know they fought 3 times and the third fight rivaled the first for content but not for build up or enormity of the event).
Of course Paultzman wasn't suggesting that. It was a joke but you knew that.

it's kinda like the years I played arc pitch softball. There was a light pole along the first base line, and the first time one of my teammates lofted a weak foul popup that glanced off the light fixture, I screamed out "Holy shit ! The Natural!!!" For years after guys yelled that as if they came up with it and every time guys laughed.


Reed's moment was iconic, and for me was my where were you when JFK was shot moment. I was at a boy scout meeting that was just starting, and patrols were lined up for inspection. Friday night 7 pm. I had a transistor radio tucked into my pocket and an earplug in one ear. Marv Albert was announcing and i was pregame. All of a sudden a thunderous ovation drowned out Marv and all you could hear was this tremendous roar. Reed had limped out of the tunnel. The Lakers stopped pregame shootaround and stared silently as if they had seen a ghost. And they had. May 8 1970 game 7. Reed hits his first 2 shots, Frazier goes nuts all game.

1973 couldn't compare, and who knew 50 years later, Knick fans still waiting for the next one.
 
Of course Paultzman wasn't suggesting that. It was a joke but you knew that.

it's kinda like the years I played arc pitch softball. There was a light pole along the first base line, and the first time one of my teammates lofted a weak foul popup that glanced off the light fixture, I screamed out "Holy shit ! The Natural!!!" For years after guys yelled that as if they came up with it and every time guys laughed.


Reed's moment was iconic, and for me was my where were you when JFK was shot moment. I was at a boy scout meeting that was just starting, and patrols were lined up for inspection. Friday night 7 pm. I had a transistor radio tucked into my pocket and an earplug in one ear. Marv Albert was announcing and i was pregame. All of a sudden a thunderous ovation drowned out Marv and all you could hear was this tremendous roar. Reed had limped out of the tunnel. The Lakers stopped pregame shootaround and stared silently as if they had seen a ghost. And they had. May 8 1970 game 7. Reed hits his first 2 shots, Frazier goes nuts all game.

1973 couldn't compare, and who knew 50 years later, Knick fans still waiting for the next one.
I was at the Frontier Palace on Union Turnpike across from St. John’s despite being about six weeks shy of 18. Had watched a few of the playoff games at another bar whose name I no longer remember just over the 59th street bridge because they got the games on cable but we all listened to game 7 on radio. Like Beast I will never forget that game and Frazier going nuts on the Lakers.
 
I was at the Frontier Palace on Union Turnpike across from St. John’s despite being about six weeks shy of 18. Had watched a few of the playoff games at another bar whose name I no longer remember just over the 59th street bridge because they got the games on cable but we all listened to game 7 on radio. Like Beast I will never forget that game and Frazier going nuts on the Lakers.
I watched it on a black and white 19” TV with rabbit ears antenna on a Connecticut TV station with terrible reception. Picture was extremely grainy and wavy could barely make out ghost like figures. Pretty sure it was replayed on a NY station later that night.
 
Yup you got it. Strengthen the muscles to help stabilize the g-h joint and keep that humeral head in place along with the ligaments.

But I’ve also been hearing shoulder bruise. So who knows what his injury fully is. At least in this specific incident.
It was obviously not a "shoulder bruise" other than the Doctor Pitino ex post facto "merely a flesh wound" diagnosis.

Obviously don't know if it is a subluxation or a dislocation, but willing to accept for the sake of argument it was a subluxation.

Either way you have pain, loss of range o motion, and either damage to or inflammation of the surrounding tissue, all of which is subject to significant exacerbation by contact and overuse. That's without getting into any potential laxity of the ligaments and tendons that could lead to recurrent problems with another subluxation.

There is also zero chance that any of that resolved in 3 days and thus the trainer clearly told Pitino the kid shouldn't play. And after initially listening to the trainer when Smith said "nah I'm good boss" that was good enough for Pitino to play him significant minutes in a game where he should not have been on the floor at all.

Absolutely disgraceful IMHO regardless of the fact that he apparently got away without any additional damage. No way to know whether the activity he did get set him back any, though.
 
I watched it on a black and white 19” TV with rabbit ears antenna on a Connecticut TV station with terrible reception. Picture was extremely grainy and wavy could barely make out ghost like figures. Pretty sure it was replayed on a NY station later that night.
I was at the series with my best HS friend at the time (who coincidentally was a CYO teammate of CRP at St. Dominic in Oyster Bay). We had skipped HS at Syosset, took the train into the city in the middle of the night to get on line at MSG to get tickets. Not the way it's done today. The crowd when Willis came out before tipoff was a sound that we had never heard prior to that.
 
This is where speculation by us on the outside means nothing. Myself included since I don’t know what he’s got going on. I’m just giving generalities about injuries etc.

I’m sure you also mean dislocation and not separation as that is a different joint in the shoulder area. Separation is usually inferring the a-c joint. And dislocation or subluxation is the g-h joint. That’s what is usually popped back in.

What a great job alumni hall had being a part of all this.

I am just guessing, but it seems Pitino misspoke on the injury. He said “I think it popped out…and popped back in.” Sounds like he’s pretty clueless about shoulder injuries like this.

It looked like an AC separation to me. It was a violent straight on impact. You don’t see that often in basketball. I’ve had several from football and the bruising and pain were wild. I had to literally walk my fingers up the wall to put a shirt on.
 
I am just guessing, but it seems Pitino misspoke on the injury. He said “I think it popped out…and popped back in.” Sounds like he’s pretty clueless about shoulder injuries like this.

It looked like an AC separation to me. It was a violent straight on impact. You don’t see that often in basketball. I’ve had several from football and the bruising and pain were wild. I had to literally walk my fingers up the wall to put a shirt on.
Rick does watch Chicago Med a lot though & I stand by his ok on this one 😇

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