Chris Ledlum

[tnice]

When you live in a world where you think players and teams don't get better, you get the madness of portal mania.

We. Need. Better. Players. Than. Dingle. And. Ledlum.

Our Hall of Fame coach literally told you that during the season. When he talked about older, primarily offensive players who couldn't play defense and lacked lateral quickness- aka athleticism- WHO DO YOU THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT??? You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Rick Pitino. They can stay here for another 5 years, all that continuity isnt going to make Dingle any quicker or Ledlum any taller or keep him from getting dominated around the rim.

Love both guys. Class acts, both of them. Thank you for your service, time to move on. The whole reason you bring CRP here in the first place is to get better players than those two guys. And he will, I have no doubt.

 

[mkras99]

We. Need. Better. Players. Than. Dingle. And. Ledlum.

Our Hall of Fame coach literally told you that during the season. When he talked about older, primarily offensive players who couldn't play defense and lacked lateral quickness- aka athleticism- WHO DO YOU THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT??? You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Rick Pitino. They can stay here for another 5 years, all that continuity isnt going to make Dingle any quicker or Ledlum any taller or keep him from getting dominated around the rim.

Love both guys. Class acts, both of them. Thank you for your service, time to move on. The whole reason you bring CRP here in the first place is to get better players than those two guys. And he will, I have no doubt.

Yet St. John’s wants them back. Interesting.

 

[Boo Harvey]

We. Need. Better. Players. Than. Dingle. And. Ledlum.

Our Hall of Fame coach literally told you that during the season. When he talked about older, primarily offensive players who couldn't play defense and lacked lateral quickness- aka athleticism- WHO DO YOU THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT??? You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Rick Pitino. They can stay here for another 5 years, all that continuity isnt going to make Dingle any quicker or Ledlum any taller or keep him from getting dominated around the rim.

Love both guys. Class acts, both of them. Thank you for your service, time to move on. The whole reason you bring CRP here in the first place is to get better players than those two guys. And he will, I have no doubt.

I believe Pitino made those comments bc he was angry about losing. Nothing more nothing less. Take them with a grain of salt. The team was primed to make a big run in the tournament this year

 

[guinness77]

I would take Dingle and Ledlum back in a heartbeat. Both got hurt and both played their best ball down the stretch. A year of Big East bball under their belt? Hell yeah.

 

[Rocket]

Who’s getting the 6th? Medical redshirts?

The issue in the appeal is that they did not play 4 years of basketball in the Ivy League. They played three.
They were deprived of a year through no fault of their own.
Aren't numerous players playing a "graduate year" AFTER graduation?
Thus, they are post graduates but had the benefit of playing 4 full years or 3 and half years in other conferences.
It may be a stretch but if Pitino has room for them why would anyone object?

 

[fordham96]

The issue in the appeal is that they did not play 4 years of basketball in the Ivy League. They played three.
They were deprived of a year through no fault of their own.
Aren't numerous players playing a "graduate year" AFTER graduation?
Thus, they are post graduates but had the benefit of playing 4 full years or 3 and half years in other conferences.
It may be a stretch but if Pitino has room for them why would anyone object?

They were not deprived of a year. The rule still is you get 4 years of eligiblity.

The NCAA simply said if you played in 20-21 (they were worried kids would opt out that year because of the virus) it would not count against your overall 4 years of eligibility. It was an incentive to get kids to play that year. If you chose not to play you still get 4 years but you don't get to carry that free year to another year.

The argument is simply Dingle and Ledlum did not choose themselves not to play the choice was made by their conference. That is fine. But as I noted that argument was made by Jimmy Boeheim. It didn't work. Same issue. Spent 4 years at Cornell and graduated (2017-21), played 3, transferred after 20-21 season which he was not allowed to play and played one grad year at Syracuse for his father. His 4th year of eligibility. He petitioned the NCAA for a 5th year and lost.

Again the wrinkle could be litigation. But short of that I don't see either winning. But I would not be against it.

 

[Joedib]

We. Need. Better. Players. Than. Dingle. And. Ledlum.

Our Hall of Fame coach literally told you that during the season. When he talked about older, primarily offensive players who couldn't play defense and lacked lateral quickness- aka athleticism- WHO DO YOU THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT??? You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Rick Pitino. They can stay here for another 5 years, all that continuity isnt going to make Dingle any quicker or Ledlum any taller or keep him from getting dominated around the rim.

Love both guys. Class acts, both of them. Thank you for your service, time to move on. The whole reason you bring CRP here in the first place is to get better players than those two guys. And he will, I have no doubt.

You did not see the improvement on defense in last seven games?

 

[Joedib]

They were not deprived of a year. The rule still is you get 4 years of eligiblity.

The NCAA simply said if you played in 20-21 (they were worried kids would opt out that year because of the virus) it would not count against your overall 4 years of eligibility. It was an incentive to get kids to play that year. If you chose not to play you still get 4 years but you don't get to carry that free year to another year.

The argument is simply Dingle and Ledlum did not choose themselves not to play the choice was made by their conference. That is fine. But as I noted that argument was made by Jimmy Boeheim. It didn't work. Same issue. Spent 4 years at Cornell and graduated (2017-21), played 3, transferred after 20-21 season which he was not allowed to play and played one grad year at Syracuse for his father. His 4th year of eligibility. He petitioned the NCAA for a 5th year and lost.

Again the wrinkle could be litigation. But short of that I don't see either winning. But I would not be against it.

There was recent ruling in 12/23 granting Ithaca national pole vault champ a sixth year of eligibility because covid cancelled his spring outdoor season. He was in his second year of grad school. Ncaa may have changed its outlook after it was sued last fall on eligibility of two time transfers. It lost that case. Permanent injunction against it. Not sure how broad wording is in the injunction. Maybe NCAA just does not want to be sued. Not a big loophole. Very few ivy players from covid era looking to get sixth year

 

[Andrew]

Thats a worse team that the one that just missed the NCAA tournament.

That should have made the tournament except the committee put in six uselsss Mountain West teams that won one game.

 

[Rocket]

They were not deprived of a year. The rule still is you get 4 years of eligiblity.

The NCAA simply said if you played in 20-21 (they were worried kids would opt out that year because of the virus) it would not count against your overall 4 years of eligibility. It was an incentive to get kids to play that year. If you chose not to play you still get 4 years but you don't get to carry that free year to another year.

The argument is simply Dingle and Ledlum did not choose themselves not to play the choice was made by their conference. That is fine. But as I noted that argument was made by Jimmy Boeheim. It didn't work. Same issue. Spent 4 years at Cornell and graduated (2017-21), played 3, transferred after 20-21 season which he was not allowed to play and played one grad year at Syracuse for his father. His 4th year of eligibility. He petitioned the NCAA for a 5th year and lost.

Again the wrinkle could be litigation. But short of that I don't see either winning. But I would not be against it.

The wrinkle is that those who "chose" to play in 20--21 get a fifth year of playing time.
Those who were barred from playing only get four years of playing time.
One group of players get an extra year of development and coaching in their sport which is an occupational goal.
An example is Dubar. He played one year at Iowa State and three years at Hofstra.
Now, he is in the portal and will play a 5th year of basketball. Medical redshirts will be in their 6th year of college.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

The issue in the appeal is that they did not play 4 years of basketball in the Ivy League. They played three.
They were deprived of a year through no fault of their own.
Aren't numerous players playing a "graduate year" AFTER graduation?
Thus, they are post graduates but had the benefit of playing 4 full years or 3 and half years in other conferences.
It may be a stretch but if Pitino has room for them why would anyone object?

I’m definitely not objecting.

The ncaa gave everyone an additional year. Not an extra year. If not for the additional year, Ledlum wouldn’t have been able to play last year. As I’ve said before, Ivy kids have a legitimate leg to stand on because the IVY took away the “extra year” (covid season) that all other conference players got. But they DID get the 4 years they should have gotten originally.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I’m definitely not objecting.

The ncaa gave everyone an additional year. Not an extra year. If not for the additional year, Ledlum wouldn’t have been able to play last year. As I’ve said before, Ivy kids have a legitimate leg to stand on because the IVY took away the “extra year” (covid season) that all other conference players got. But they DID get the 4 years they should have gotten originally.

Agree, Mase.

Due to a decision that was out of the Ivy League players' hands, they will play one less year than all other Covid-era players. It's not equitable.

 

[SJU85]

They were not deprived of a year. The rule still is you get 4 years of eligiblity.

The NCAA simply said if you played in 20-21 (they were worried kids would opt out that year because of the virus) it would not count against your overall 4 years of eligibility. It was an incentive to get kids to play that year. If you chose not to play you still get 4 years but you don't get to carry that free year to another year.

The argument is simply Dingle and Ledlum did not choose themselves not to play the choice was made by their conference. That is fine. But as I noted that argument was made by Jimmy Boeheim. It didn't work. Same issue. Spent 4 years at Cornell and graduated (2017-21), played 3, transferred after 20-21 season which he was not allowed to play and played one grad year at Syracuse for his father. His 4th year of eligibility. He petitioned the NCAA for a 5th year and lost.

Again the wrinkle could be litigation. But short of that I don't see either winning. But I would not be against it.

With the NCAA’s current record with litigation and recent rulings against them, they might just grant the waiver to avoid going to court.

 

[Knight]

Ledlum and Dingle would be great to have back for another season. We know their skill level and they know Pitino's system and what he wants. Unless we can recruit players that are significantly better for their positions, we would be a better team. Healthy and Pitinoed. I'd be happy with that.

 

[fordham96]

The wrinkle is that those who "chose" to play in 20--21 get a fifth year of playing time.
Those who were barred from playing only get four years of playing time.
One group of players get an extra year of development and coaching in their sport which is an occupational goal.
An example is Dubar. He played one year at Iowa State and three years at Hofstra.
Now, he is in the portal and will play a 5th year of basketball. Medical redshirts will be in their 6th year of college.

They were not "barred."

Their conference opted out. They had the option of transferring to a different school.

They were not slaves. They were not being held against their will to go to Harvard/Cornell/Princeton/Penn etc.

The fact that the Ivy League does not allow redshirt players is their rule as well. Is that "barring" a kid from playing in his 5th year when he still has eligibility?

 

[bucketshardy]

Chris:


Jordan:


Sorry... I am a visual learner... So- as per the above - both players played 4 years.... but, since the IVY league chose not to play the 20-21 season... those guys aren't granted a 5th year of playing like all others?

Thinking of our ex-players - Posh/Wusu - they will be playing their 5th season next year... BUT had they chose to sit out 20-21- would they not be allowed to play next year either?

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Chris:
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Sorry... I am a visual learner... So- as per the above - both players played 4 years.... but, since the IVY league chose not to play the 20-21 season... those guys aren't granted a 5th year of playing like all others?

Thinking of our ex-players - Posh/Wusu - they will be playing their 5th season next year... BUT had they chose to sit out 20-21- would they not be allowed to play next year either?

Posh and Wusu were in their 4th year this year. Both Ledlum and Dingle started college the year prior to them so it’s not apples to apples to begin with.

Simply put, the ncaa doesn’t count the Covid season as anything. Weather you played that year or not, it doesn’t count towards your allotted 4 years of eligibility.

 

[Beasts of the East]

Posh and Wusu were in their 4th year this year. Both Ledlum and Dingle started college the year prior to them so it’s not apples to apples to begin with.

Simply put, the ncaa doesn’t count the Covid season as anything. Weather you played that year or not, it doesn’t count towards your allotted 4 years of eligibility.

Given that logic, they may not be allowed to play for an Ivy league team this coming season, but since the NCAA "doesn't count the Covid season as anything", whether they played or not played is irrelevant. They should get the 5th season everyone else gets at a non-Ivy school.

 

[bucketshardy]

Posh and Wusu were in their 4th year this year. Both Ledlum and Dingle started college the year prior to them so it’s not apples to apples to begin with.

Simply put, the ncaa doesn’t count the Covid season as anything. Weather you played that year or not, it doesn’t count towards your allotted 4 years of eligibility.

so- if the IVY had played that Covid season... these guys would have just finished their 5th season... got it.

Their argument is then- we didn't have the opportunity to play 5 seasons like the rest of the 20-21 players...

 

[bucketshardy]

speaking of- you know who should be really pissed... guys like Myles Powell and other seniors in that 19-20 year where the Tourney was cancelled... that's WHY you play college bball... for March Glory...

well... that WAS* why you played lol...