Zach article/Our soft OOC schedule

[monte]

In 30-40 years, when all us old guys are gone, they'll be talking about SJU basketball the way people talk about CCNY and NYU basketball today. Depressing thought for the day. 

Terrifying thought. Since my wife works at CCNY, I can attest to the fact that their entire history of success has been marginalized to a poster on the gym entrance in tribute.

Wasn't the betting scandal the death knell for their basketball program? Guess maybe they'd rather erase that part of their history. 

 

[bamafan]

We all basically agree that our student support is and has always been severely lacking for whatever reasons so my question is why would anyone expect a higher percentage of alumni to support the program if they didn't even do it while they are students. This unfortunately makes our large local alumni base irrelevant in terms of support for the basketball program. Sad really but it seems like the vast majority of St. John's students are just not interested in college sports because if they don't support the flagship program of St. John's which is men's basketball obviously none of the other sports programs at St. John's garner much support either.

 

[monte]

We all basically agree that our student support is and has always been severely lacking for whatever reasons so my question is why would anyone expect a higher percentage of alumni to support the program if they didn't even do it while they are students. This unfortunately makes our large local alumni base irrelevant in terms of support for the basketball program. Sad really but it seems like the vast majority of St. John's students are just not interested in college sports because if they don't support the flagship program of St. John's which is men's basketball obviously none of the other sports programs at St. John's garner much support either.

I can't speak for anyone else, but when I was a student my priorities were(in no particular order);
-Working full time/making money
-Getting through school with decent grades
-Partying my ass off
-Getting laid 

That didn't leave much time for supporting  the SJU sports programs. I believe Mike Maher's priorities were the same. Once i graduated, I had more time to attend SJU basketball games, especially the MSG games since I was living in the city. 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Is the Zach article much different then what’ we’ve been saying here

 

[GardenCity62]

In the forty five years since the big east was created has anybody ever heard “ what did Manhattan do last night? People in Manhattan may have an interest in Duke or Gonzaga but no one cares about Fordham basketball, not even their grads.

 

[RedStormNC]

Is the Zach article much different then what’ we’ve been saying here

Sometimes it seems like he gets his article ideas or talking points from here...lol

 

[paultzman]

Kansas game parking expense fyi, car pooling seems wise perhaps




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[monte]

Kansas game parking expense fyi, car pooling seems wise perhaps




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That'll really help attendance /media/kunena/emoticons/ermm.png

 

[Knight]

I think I’ll Uber to UBS for the Kansas game.

 

[monte]

I think I’ll Uber to UBS for the Kansas game.

You could take a helicopter and it would be cheaper /media/kunena/emoticons/cheerful.png

 

[beast of the east]

Well it just means a family of 4 can come to the game and watch it on a mobile device in the lot.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

I’m certainly from another ERA of St John’s fans . I loved College Basketball from the time I was old enough to bounce a Ball myself .                           While still in HS , I went to the Holiday Festival at the old Garden during Christmas Break .  We always went to the afternoon games as they were Triple Headers .   1 Year we saw St John ‘s , NYU, Providence , Illinois , Duquesne , Manhattan .                                                        
     When I was ready to go to College , the Schools I was interested in were St John’s , Providence , Villanova , Manhattan and St Francis .                                                                 My point is this , I already had a big interest in College Basketball before I even attended the School .    As a undergrad , I didn’t get to as many in Campus games as I wanted but , made sure I went to Games in the Garden and the NIT , when it was still a big time tourney .     And , unlike today , St John’s was a Commuter School entirely . Yet , school spirit was pretty good.             I have no idea why , as this post indicates , more Students aren’t more interested in BB and supporting our Program .  Maybe there should be a discount for Students , available through the School and not Ticketmaster .                               I went to the Navy - Notre Dame football game a few weeks ago in SBend and to visit my Granddaughter. My Ticket was $ 85 .      If she wants to go to the Games , she has to buy a Season Ticket .   I think her Parents had to pay $400-500 for her Season ticket .                               I’m sure cost of the Ticket for Students isn’t cheap but , it doesn’t explain lack of interest .    St John’s is a relatively large school for a Catholic College , with that size more students should have some interest . It’s a mystery . 

 

[beast of the east]

Average ticket price at CA is $12.  Additionally we give a lot of tickets away.   Sju cannot give away tickets to ubs or msg without paying for them first.   

In Mullin's last season we averaged 5500 at CA, and 16,500 at MSG, the best attendance for us since 1992.

To talk here that this may be our best team in decades, heap praise on CMA, Cragg, and Shanley, yet not buy tickets to the best opponent on our schedule is really disgraceful IMO.    When we are playing 3 or 4 games at MSG and the rest at CA we will have no one to blame but our fans or lack thereof.

College bball is not dead.  Absurd statement.  March madness is described as the biggest on earth.   tournament on earth.   Creighton can sell out home games with mediocre teams.   Villanova sells out games with tons of men and women students, alumni, and family with a much smaller alumni base.  

What Norm Roberts or Mike jarvis did in 2003 to 2007 is irrelevant.    We have a tourney caliber team capable of beating Kansas, who came within 1 possession of beating Indiana in a sold out away game.   Every reason for not showing up is weak, unless you are just too far away.   

To compare free tix at a state school that is funded by tax dollars is not free at all - someone else is paying for it.   I dunno , maybe we should wait for Repole to pay for everyone's tickets and send uber's to take us to and from games.

I've been a season ticket holder on and off for the past 30 years. Most recently during the Mullin years. I was all set to renew when CMA was hired, but then the school decided to raise ticket prices by 30%. So I decided not to renew. That was a business decision by them, and by me. Not sure how many other season ticket holder they lost with that move. It's doubtful, at this point in my life, that I'll ever become a full season ticket holder again. I hate sitting at CA, and its become tougher and tougher to drive out there and back. Maybe I'd get the MSG package again, but not before the school proves to me that they are committed to having a wining program. Not with words, with results.  

Monte, the 30%increase is often misstated, since the net effect is the same.  SJU was I believe the last Big East school to institute a mandatory minimum donation that went along with purchasing a season's ticket, which I believe is $250.   I also believe in that season, the adjust in prices (apart from the required donation) was either because of an expanded schedule or more games at MSG, which always cost more.    Of course, purchasing tickets is an economic decision that in part is value for the money, support of the program, and allegiance to the school.

Bottom line:  We cannot expect Shanley to support investment in Athletic facilities if our donor base and fan base doesn't support the school the way Providence alums (or alums of other schools) do.  Now with a highly competent leadership team in place, the last important piece is alums and fans supporting the program financially.   Of course, we can all wait for a Repole to fork over $50 million to finance the program, but I wouldn't hold my breath.   It's not just Repole's responsibility - it's ours also.

 

[rcatalano]

Taking the LIRR!

 

[monte]

Average ticket price at CA is $12.  Additionally we give a lot of tickets away.   Sju cannot give away tickets to ubs or msg without paying for them first.   

In Mullin's last season we averaged 5500 at CA, and 16,500 at MSG, the best attendance for us since 1992.

To talk here that this may be our best team in decades, heap praise on CMA, Cragg, and Shanley, yet not buy tickets to the best opponent on our schedule is really disgraceful IMO.    When we are playing 3 or 4 games at MSG and the rest at CA we will have no one to blame but our fans or lack thereof.

College bball is not dead.  Absurd statement.  March madness is described as the biggest on earth.   tournament on earth.   Creighton can sell out home games with mediocre teams.   Villanova sells out games with tons of men and women students, alumni, and family with a much smaller alumni base.  

What Norm Roberts or Mike jarvis did in 2003 to 2007 is irrelevant.    We have a tourney caliber team capable of beating Kansas, who came within 1 possession of beating Indiana in a sold out away game.   Every reason for not showing up is weak, unless you are just too far away.   

To compare free tix at a state school that is funded by tax dollars is not free at all - someone else is paying for it.   I dunno , maybe we should wait for Repole to pay for everyone's tickets and send uber's to take us to and from games.

I've been a season ticket holder on and off for the past 30 years. Most recently during the Mullin years. I was all set to renew when CMA was hired, but then the school decided to raise ticket prices by 30%. So I decided not to renew. That was a business decision by them, and by me. Not sure how many other season ticket holder they lost with that move. It's doubtful, at this point in my life, that I'll ever become a full season ticket holder again. I hate sitting at CA, and its become tougher and tougher to drive out there and back. Maybe I'd get the MSG package again, but not before the school proves to me that they are committed to having a wining program. Not with words, with results.  

Monte, the 30%increase is often misstated, since the net effect is the same.  SJU was I believe the last Big East school to institute a mandatory minimum donation that went along with purchasing a season's ticket, which I believe is $250.   I also believe in that season, the adjust in prices (apart from the required donation) was either because of an expanded schedule or more games at MSG, which always cost more.    Of course, purchasing tickets is an economic decision that in part is value for the money, support of the program, and allegiance to the school.

Bottom line:  We cannot expect Shanley to support investment in Athletic facilities if our donor base and fan base doesn't support the school the way Providence alums (or alums of other schools) do.  Now with a highly competent leadership team in place, the last important piece is alums and fans supporting the program financially.   Of course, we can all wait for a Repole to fork over $50 million to finance the program, but I wouldn't hold my breath.   It's not just Repole's responsibility - it's ours also.

Again Beast, it's a bit of a chicken/egg thing. I don't remember the particulars of the increase, but I do remember having done the math at the time and thinking "this doesn't make sense considering where our program is right now". As we've talked about, the school chose to extend CMA and give him and the staff raises, before we've even danced once under them. IMO dancing is the bare minimum that should have been achieved before extensions and  raises were handed out.  But, at the end the day, it's a business decision and it's the school's money, not mine. At the same time, that kind of business decision is a real l head scratcher to me, I'm very careful about where I chose to donate, and how much.  I believe it's a very personal choice for everyone. Just because someone doesn't necessarily donate as much to the school as someone else, or attend as many games(for whatever reason), doesn't give them any less of a right to be a huge fan of the basketball program. And it doesn't mean that they are not entitled to to be frustrated about our failures over the past couple of decades, and complain about it. 

 

[beast of the east]

Average ticket price at CA is $12.  Additionally we give a lot of tickets away.   Sju cannot give away tickets to ubs or msg without paying for them first.   

In Mullin's last season we averaged 5500 at CA, and 16,500 at MSG, the best attendance for us since 1992.

To talk here that this may be our best team in decades, heap praise on CMA, Cragg, and Shanley, yet not buy tickets to the best opponent on our schedule is really disgraceful IMO.    When we are playing 3 or 4 games at MSG and the rest at CA we will have no one to blame but our fans or lack thereof.

College bball is not dead.  Absurd statement.  March madness is described as the biggest on earth.   tournament on earth.   Creighton can sell out home games with mediocre teams.   Villanova sells out games with tons of men and women students, alumni, and family with a much smaller alumni base.  

What Norm Roberts or Mike jarvis did in 2003 to 2007 is irrelevant.    We have a tourney caliber team capable of beating Kansas, who came within 1 possession of beating Indiana in a sold out away game.   Every reason for not showing up is weak, unless you are just too far away.   

To compare free tix at a state school that is funded by tax dollars is not free at all - someone else is paying for it.   I dunno , maybe we should wait for Repole to pay for everyone's tickets and send uber's to take us to and from games.

I've been a season ticket holder on and off for the past 30 years. Most recently during the Mullin years. I was all set to renew when CMA was hired, but then the school decided to raise ticket prices by 30%. So I decided not to renew. That was a business decision by them, and by me. Not sure how many other season ticket holder they lost with that move. It's doubtful, at this point in my life, that I'll ever become a full season ticket holder again. I hate sitting at CA, and its become tougher and tougher to drive out there and back. Maybe I'd get the MSG package again, but not before the school proves to me that they are committed to having a wining program. Not with words, with results.  

Monte, the 30%increase is often misstated, since the net effect is the same.  SJU was I believe the last Big East school to institute a mandatory minimum donation that went along with purchasing a season's ticket, which I believe is $250.   I also believe in that season, the adjust in prices (apart from the required donation) was either because of an expanded schedule or more games at MSG, which always cost more.    Of course, purchasing tickets is an economic decision that in part is value for the money, support of the program, and allegiance to the school.

Bottom line:  We cannot expect Shanley to support investment in Athletic facilities if our donor base and fan base doesn't support the school the way Providence alums (or alums of other schools) do.  Now with a highly competent leadership team in place, the last important piece is alums and fans supporting the program financially.   Of course, we can all wait for a Repole to fork over $50 million to finance the program, but I wouldn't hold my breath.   It's not just Repole's responsibility - it's ours also.

Again Beast, it's a bit of a chicken/egg thing. I don't remember the particulars of the increase, but I do remember having done the math at the time and thinking "this doesn't make sense considering where our program is right now". As we've talked about, the school chose to extend CMA and give him and the staff raises, before we've even danced once under them. IMO dancing is the bare minimum that should have been achieved before extensions and  raises were handed out.  But, at the end the day, it's a business decision and it's the school's money, not mine. At the same time, that kind of business decision is a real l head scratcher to me, I'm very careful about where I chose to donate, and how much.  I believe it's a very personal choice for everyone. Just because someone doesn't necessarily donate as much to the school as someone else, or attend as many games(for whatever reason), doesn't give them any less of a right to be a huge fan of the basketball program. And it doesn't mean that they are not entitled to to be frustrated about our failures over the past couple of decades, and complain about it. 

Agree 100% on all accounts, Monte.

 

[fuchsia]

Twelve pages and no mention of COVID as the frame for the current picture.  I have triple vaccinated friends here in Florida who will not eat in an indoor restaurant because they have immunocompromised or extreme elderly they will see.  Now bigger crowd = bigger risk.

 

[monte]

Twelve pages and no mention of COVID as the frame for the current picture.  I have triple vaccinated friends here in Florida who will not eat in an indoor restaurant because they have immunocompromised or extreme elderly they will see.  Now bigger crowd = bigger risk.

One of my sister in laws, who had Covid about 6 months ago and has had all her shots, was just diagnosed again with Covid last night. My 88 year old Mother has been in close contact with her and my brother. Praying that  my Mom doesn't get it. Can't let our guard down. 

 

[ras]

Twelve pages and no mention of COVID as the frame for the current picture.  I have triple vaccinated friends here in Florida who will not eat in an indoor restaurant because they have immunocompromised or extreme elderly they will see.  Now bigger crowd = bigger risk.
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You make an interesting point. I am triple vaccinated and think twice about going to a crowded concert or sporting event. I do eat out, however and go to the movies. But despite Covid, others schools have full houses, look at the Indiana game. And as others have said, programs like Dayton and Creighton are selling out. Two problems we have, as others have mentioned are things are expensive in NY and there are many other  entertainment options.

 

 

[usguard]

If you have to play with the schedule then you  probably should not go to the tournament  if you good enough you really do not worry about the schedule not saying  you play all hard teams but maybe you should not play teams you know you will probably beat by 25+