Storm Tracker
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the end of a strange career. makes u wonder if he was incredibly overrated and freshman year a fluke, or if the staff just couldnt develop him
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Storm Tracker
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[quote="Redmen07" post=279784][quote="OLV72" post=279767][quote="Redmen07" post=279750]I think Yakwe is a great player, and was frustrated staff refused to play him. When he played, he played very well. He’ll be an asset for any major conf team. I blame staff on this one.[/quote]
Before we moved to 114 you and storm tracker sat in front of us. Which one of you wore the number 20 jersey to all the games?[/quote]
Yes, i remember old 116 well! I was the one always wearing the Mullin jersey. I sit in section 110 now. Would be nice to catchup next season. Despite my comments, im optimistic for this season as long as Ponds returns, just concerned long term.[/quote]
2011 in section 110: what a year... ND, gtown, duke, uconn, Pitt such great games!
Before we moved to 114 you and storm tracker sat in front of us. Which one of you wore the number 20 jersey to all the games?[/quote]
Yes, i remember old 116 well! I was the one always wearing the Mullin jersey. I sit in section 110 now. Would be nice to catchup next season. Despite my comments, im optimistic for this season as long as Ponds returns, just concerned long term.[/quote]
2011 in section 110: what a year... ND, gtown, duke, uconn, Pitt such great games!
we are sju
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[quote="Storm Tracker" post=279808]the end of a strange career. makes u wonder if he was incredibly overrated and freshman year a fluke, or if the staff just couldnt develop him[/quote]
Very strange. Never saw a guy's ability to catch a basketball decrease. Didn't seem to be an issue that first year. Totally lost confidence and that with terrible hands made it hard to play him.
Very strange. Never saw a guy's ability to catch a basketball decrease. Didn't seem to be an issue that first year. Totally lost confidence and that with terrible hands made it hard to play him.
[quote="MJDinkins" post=279723][quote="Class of 72" post=279718][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=279709][quote="SJU85" post=279708][quote="Class of 72" post=279697][quote="MJDinkins" post=279692][quote="SJU14" post=279688][quote="MJDinkins" post=279670][quote="Adam" post=279668][quote="MJDinkins" post=279660][quote="Adam" post=279655]Generally teams have 2-3 transfers a year I think, so hopefully this is it.[/quote]
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
" I don’t remember everybody but count Pelle,ADR,Thomas,Thompson , the parking lot transcript guy,,Gathers etc. We lost Lindsey and Stith after 1 semester. That said, the revolving door is a problem. But it is becoming more widespread and we re not the only one w this problem. Hense, the long list of transfers.[/quote]"
If you are going to count players recruited who never registered then you may as well count every recruit offered by Mullin which would make the number astronomical.
Only ADR would count based on registered players. I don't recall Thompson. Refresh my memory.[/quote]
I don't count Pelle or Thomas either, as transfers since they never enrolled or was a part of the team. Maybe, that can be counted as being risky moves, but not as transfers.
Gathers never signed an LOI or enrolled. He reneged after a verbal commitment. Lindsey left after one semester, not Stith. You can only count Lindsey, Stith, and Polee as a transfers. I thought De La Rosa transferred after Lavin was gone.[/quote]
Totally forgot about Stith.
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
" I don’t remember everybody but count Pelle,ADR,Thomas,Thompson , the parking lot transcript guy,,Gathers etc. We lost Lindsey and Stith after 1 semester. That said, the revolving door is a problem. But it is becoming more widespread and we re not the only one w this problem. Hense, the long list of transfers.[/quote]"
If you are going to count players recruited who never registered then you may as well count every recruit offered by Mullin which would make the number astronomical.
Only ADR would count based on registered players. I don't recall Thompson. Refresh my memory.[/quote]
I don't count Pelle or Thomas either, as transfers since they never enrolled or was a part of the team. Maybe, that can be counted as being risky moves, but not as transfers.
Gathers never signed an LOI or enrolled. He reneged after a verbal commitment. Lindsey left after one semester, not Stith. You can only count Lindsey, Stith, and Polee as a transfers. I thought De La Rosa transferred after Lavin was gone.[/quote]
Totally forgot about Stith.
[quote="redken" post=279745][quote="SJU85" post=279708][quote="Class of 72" post=279697][quote="MJDinkins" post=279692][quote="SJU14" post=279688][quote="MJDinkins" post=279670][quote="Adam" post=279668][quote="MJDinkins" post=279660][quote="Adam" post=279655]Generally teams have 2-3 transfers a year I think, so hopefully this is it.[/quote]
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
Come on, 85. Can't lump Harkless and Garrett (and Ponds, if it happens) leaving the program to pursue legitimate pro careers (i.e., not pipe dreams) with those who transferred out because they were dissatisfied with either the program or their playing time.[/quote]
First off Garrett did not leave St. Johns to pursue a legitimate pro career. He left here at transferred to Long Beach State or some other school in California. It was there, after sitting out a year that he made his decision to leave school and go full time baseball, not while here at St. John's.
As I stated the only reason I included Harkless, Freudenberg and Mussini is because when speaking of players not staying, posters on this site have inlcuded Ponds. So if you include Ponds, you have to include the other three.
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
Come on, 85. Can't lump Harkless and Garrett (and Ponds, if it happens) leaving the program to pursue legitimate pro careers (i.e., not pipe dreams) with those who transferred out because they were dissatisfied with either the program or their playing time.[/quote]
First off Garrett did not leave St. Johns to pursue a legitimate pro career. He left here at transferred to Long Beach State or some other school in California. It was there, after sitting out a year that he made his decision to leave school and go full time baseball, not while here at St. John's.
As I stated the only reason I included Harkless, Freudenberg and Mussini is because when speaking of players not staying, posters on this site have inlcuded Ponds. So if you include Ponds, you have to include the other three.
[quote="SJU85" post=279822][quote="redken" post=279745][quote="SJU85" post=279708][quote="Class of 72" post=279697][quote="MJDinkins" post=279692][quote="SJU14" post=279688][quote="MJDinkins" post=279670][quote="Adam" post=279668][quote="MJDinkins" post=279660][quote="Adam" post=279655]Generally teams have 2-3 transfers a year I think, so hopefully this is it.[/quote]
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
Come on, 85. Can't lump Harkless and Garrett (and Ponds, if it happens) leaving the program to pursue legitimate pro careers (i.e., not pipe dreams) with those who transferred out because they were dissatisfied with either the program or their playing time.[/quote]
First off Garrett did not leave St. Johns to pursue a legitimate pro career. He left here at transferred to Long Beach State or some other school in California. It was there, after sitting out a year that he made his decision to leave school and go full time baseball, not while here at St. John's.
As I stated the only reason I included Harkless, Freudenberg and Mussini is because when speaking of players not staying, posters on this site have inlcuded Ponds. So if you include Ponds, you have to include the other three.[/quote]
I stand corrected on Garrett, 85. (Seems like ages ago.) My point was someone leaving to go pro shouldn't be put in the same category as players who transfer out because they're unhappy with the program.
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
Come on, 85. Can't lump Harkless and Garrett (and Ponds, if it happens) leaving the program to pursue legitimate pro careers (i.e., not pipe dreams) with those who transferred out because they were dissatisfied with either the program or their playing time.[/quote]
First off Garrett did not leave St. Johns to pursue a legitimate pro career. He left here at transferred to Long Beach State or some other school in California. It was there, after sitting out a year that he made his decision to leave school and go full time baseball, not while here at St. John's.
As I stated the only reason I included Harkless, Freudenberg and Mussini is because when speaking of players not staying, posters on this site have inlcuded Ponds. So if you include Ponds, you have to include the other three.[/quote]
I stand corrected on Garrett, 85. (Seems like ages ago.) My point was someone leaving to go pro shouldn't be put in the same category as players who transfer out because they're unhappy with the program.
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[quote="Redmen07" post=279784][quote="OLV72" post=279767][quote="Redmen07" post=279750]I think Yakwe is a great player, and was frustrated staff refused to play him. When he played, he played very well. He’ll be an asset for any major conf team. I blame staff on this one.[/quote]
Before we moved to 114 you and storm tracker sat in front of us. Which one of you wore the number 20 jersey to all the games?[/quote]
Yes, i remember old 116 well! I was the one always wearing the Mullin jersey. I sit in section 110 now. Would be nice to catchup next season. Despite my comments, im optimistic for this season as long as Ponds returns, just concerned long term.[/quote]
Yeah - we had a good time back in the 116 days. We had the Pitt game and Hardy's game winner on our end. I recall us having an occasional back and forth with the drunks invaders from Connecticut.
Come over to 114 next season - we have a good group up in rows 20 and 21. M Maher actually shows up for the Garden games.
Before we moved to 114 you and storm tracker sat in front of us. Which one of you wore the number 20 jersey to all the games?[/quote]
Yes, i remember old 116 well! I was the one always wearing the Mullin jersey. I sit in section 110 now. Would be nice to catchup next season. Despite my comments, im optimistic for this season as long as Ponds returns, just concerned long term.[/quote]
Yeah - we had a good time back in the 116 days. We had the Pitt game and Hardy's game winner on our end. I recall us having an occasional back and forth with the drunks invaders from Connecticut.
Come over to 114 next season - we have a good group up in rows 20 and 21. M Maher actually shows up for the Garden games.
[quote="we are sju" post=279814][quote="Storm Tracker" post=279808]the end of a strange career. makes u wonder if he was incredibly overrated and freshman year a fluke, or if the staff just couldnt develop him[/quote]
Very strange. Never saw a guy's ability to catch a basketball decrease. Didn't seem to be an issue that first year. Totally lost confidence and that with terrible hands made it hard to play him.[/quote]
Maybe he spent too much time in the class room.
Very strange. Never saw a guy's ability to catch a basketball decrease. Didn't seem to be an issue that first year. Totally lost confidence and that with terrible hands made it hard to play him.[/quote]
Maybe he spent too much time in the class room.
[quote="redken" post=279825][quote="SJU85" post=279822][quote="redken" post=279745][quote="SJU85" post=279708][quote="Class of 72" post=279697][quote="MJDinkins" post=279692][quote="SJU14" post=279688][quote="MJDinkins" post=279670][quote="Adam" post=279668][quote="MJDinkins" post=279660][quote="Adam" post=279655]Generally teams have 2-3 transfers a year I think, so hopefully this is it.[/quote]
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
Come on, 85. Can't lump Harkless and Garrett (and Ponds, if it happens) leaving the program to pursue legitimate pro careers (i.e., not pipe dreams) with those who transferred out because they were dissatisfied with either the program or their playing time.[/quote]
First off Garrett did not leave St. Johns to pursue a legitimate pro career. He left here at transferred to Long Beach State or some other school in California. It was there, after sitting out a year that he made his decision to leave school and go full time baseball, not while here at St. John's.
As I stated the only reason I included Harkless, Freudenberg and Mussini is because when speaking of players not staying, posters on this site have inlcuded Ponds. So if you include Ponds, you have to include the other three.[/quote]
I stand corrected on Garrett, 85. (Seems like ages ago.) My point was someone leaving to go pro shouldn't be put in the same category as players who transfer out because they're unhappy with the program.[/quote]
I agree and again only included because others mentioned Ponds when they wrote about program stability and people leaving.
Really? Where did you calculate those numbers?[/quote]
There's 700-800+ transfers per year and 351 D1 programs, so average would be right in that range.[/quote]
I thought that amount happened a season ago. That wasn't actually the norm, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't count 2-3 per year transferring from any conference teams. It may have happened in a given year, but it isn't the norm.[/quote]
750+ has been the norm for 3-4 years now, unfortunately. Check the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.[/quote]
Okay.... I wasn't sure it had been that long, so I stand corrected. To say each team is losing 2-3 kids a year to the transfer game sounds off, though. I can't recall any team in the Big East who has recently lost 2-3 kids to transfer a year.[/quote]
2-3 seems the norm for schools in the bottom 266 of D1 schools and I'm sure D2 schools have a high number. The top 50 schools rarely lose more than 2 players.
Players leave for many reasons and transfer to schools they feel will give them a better opportunity. In our case, we seem to run the gamut of reasons. Transfers, early signing with European teams, grad transfers and a decommit. We have the worst turnover rate of any school in the Big East over the past two seasons.
Last season we lost 5 players that could have continued to be on the team and this season we will have lost (including Wilson) 4 to date. God forbid we lose Trimble or Ponds that would be another five.
No matter how we spin the reasons that's NINE players in two seasons. That is an obscene number and points to a serious problem with the staff's relationship with its players and vice versa.
I don't think we lost more than 5 players over Lavin's entire 5 years as coach. I'm sure someone will research the actual numbers and show Lavin lost 6 players per year.[/quote]
Off the top of my head, under Lavin we lost Polee, Lyndsay, Harkless (since people are going to include Ponds on this list if he leaves early to go pro, we have to include Harkless let alone we also lost Mussini and Freudenberg who went back home to go pro) and Garrett. I am not a betting man, but if someone actually looks it up, it might turn out to be more than five 72. However your point is taken.[/quote]
Come on, 85. Can't lump Harkless and Garrett (and Ponds, if it happens) leaving the program to pursue legitimate pro careers (i.e., not pipe dreams) with those who transferred out because they were dissatisfied with either the program or their playing time.[/quote]
First off Garrett did not leave St. Johns to pursue a legitimate pro career. He left here at transferred to Long Beach State or some other school in California. It was there, after sitting out a year that he made his decision to leave school and go full time baseball, not while here at St. John's.
As I stated the only reason I included Harkless, Freudenberg and Mussini is because when speaking of players not staying, posters on this site have inlcuded Ponds. So if you include Ponds, you have to include the other three.[/quote]
I stand corrected on Garrett, 85. (Seems like ages ago.) My point was someone leaving to go pro shouldn't be put in the same category as players who transfer out because they're unhappy with the program.[/quote]
I agree and again only included because others mentioned Ponds when they wrote about program stability and people leaving.
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[quote="simplyred" post=279851]I can envision heads exploding as Yakwe has a good Sr. season at Uconn[/quote]
What would be a good year? He can't shoot and he can't catch the ball. 4 PPG 7 boards and 2 blocks?
We could def use this version of Yakwe but that production is certainly not head explosive material.
What would be a good year? He can't shoot and he can't catch the ball. 4 PPG 7 boards and 2 blocks?
We could def use this version of Yakwe but that production is certainly not head explosive material.
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[quote="Danny Noonan" post=279805][quote="Class of 72" post=279774][quote="Danny Noonan" post=279771]Yakwe is a good kid , great teammate and played hard. To bad he couldn’t catch a basketball ( that’s right it’s Mullins fault he has hands of stone). Best of luck to him.[/quote]
Actually this is Mullin’s fault if you missed it:
"He took far fewer shots as the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him."
It is going to be hard getting a decent big when you don't design anything resembling an inside game.
It's fun watching a run and gun game but not so much if that game leads always to the bottom of the conference barrel.[/quote]
You are a joke sir. Guys like you make this site Nauseating. We all know your disdain for Mullin as a coach, you are broken record. At one time I respected your input/opinion. Now you have become 75+ year old troll.[/quote]
Sorry Danny but you are officially on my shit list! You sir are a sewer inspector constantly praising the smell of the sewer because it, and your shit, don't stink.
Three personal insults in one response where you could have have just disputed what I said would have sufficed but you made it personal to defend our dunce coach. So, the best you could come up with was " I am a joke, a broken record, and to add age descrimination you had to add "a 75 year old troll".
Perhaps you need a remedial on the dozens of past comments regarding our lack of an inside game, players being nowhere near the basket for offensive rebounds, or the very simple fact that, except for Clark, no player over 6'7 has stuck with Mullin longer than necessary. A inattentive mind like yours obviously missed the quote from the reporter that I was referencing that said "the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him." WHO on this staff could develop a big? This is where Ewing will have a "big" advantage and where Kimani Young will point to our failures with NYC area players.
Now, take your shoeshine box and get out of here!
Actually this is Mullin’s fault if you missed it:
"He took far fewer shots as the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him."
It is going to be hard getting a decent big when you don't design anything resembling an inside game.
It's fun watching a run and gun game but not so much if that game leads always to the bottom of the conference barrel.[/quote]
You are a joke sir. Guys like you make this site Nauseating. We all know your disdain for Mullin as a coach, you are broken record. At one time I respected your input/opinion. Now you have become 75+ year old troll.[/quote]
Sorry Danny but you are officially on my shit list! You sir are a sewer inspector constantly praising the smell of the sewer because it, and your shit, don't stink.
Three personal insults in one response where you could have have just disputed what I said would have sufficed but you made it personal to defend our dunce coach. So, the best you could come up with was " I am a joke, a broken record, and to add age descrimination you had to add "a 75 year old troll".
Perhaps you need a remedial on the dozens of past comments regarding our lack of an inside game, players being nowhere near the basket for offensive rebounds, or the very simple fact that, except for Clark, no player over 6'7 has stuck with Mullin longer than necessary. A inattentive mind like yours obviously missed the quote from the reporter that I was referencing that said "the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him." WHO on this staff could develop a big? This is where Ewing will have a "big" advantage and where Kimani Young will point to our failures with NYC area players.
Now, take your shoeshine box and get out of here!
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Also Noonan sucks at math. A '72 grad would only be 68 years old right now.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.
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[quote="austour" post=279858]Also Noonan sucks at math. A '72 grad would only be 68 years old right now.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.
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[quote="usguard" post=279870]Wished we would refrain from personal attacks. This site would be a better place if we could accept anothers opinion even if it differs greatly from our own.[/quote]
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Who the heck did I attack Wayne McKoy and Yakwe?
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Who the heck did I attack Wayne McKoy and Yakwe?
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[quote="we are sju" post=279862][quote="austour" post=279858]Also Noonan sucks at math. A '72 grad would only be 68 years old right now.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.[/quote]
Before my time as well, though I remember reading about McKoy at Lutheran in Newsday when I was a kid and there was no internet or ESPN or anything else useful. Stats indicate that McKoy peaked as a Soph and then regressed a little when he had another high flying LIer as his front court mate, David Russell, who I got to watch in my HS gym a few times. Werdann improved every year until he got hurt Sr year. That said any of these three under achieving big men would be the best big on any of the last 10 STJ teams. Oh and Werdann has a lot of coaching experience, albeit in the NBA and D League, presently coach of the Grand Rapids team. Hire him up if Rice doesn't come.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.[/quote]
Before my time as well, though I remember reading about McKoy at Lutheran in Newsday when I was a kid and there was no internet or ESPN or anything else useful. Stats indicate that McKoy peaked as a Soph and then regressed a little when he had another high flying LIer as his front court mate, David Russell, who I got to watch in my HS gym a few times. Werdann improved every year until he got hurt Sr year. That said any of these three under achieving big men would be the best big on any of the last 10 STJ teams. Oh and Werdann has a lot of coaching experience, albeit in the NBA and D League, presently coach of the Grand Rapids team. Hire him up if Rice doesn't come.
we are sju
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[quote="austour" post=279873][quote="we are sju" post=279862][quote="austour" post=279858]Also Noonan sucks at math. A '72 grad would only be 68 years old right now.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.[/quote]
Before my time as well, though I remember reading about McKoy at Lutheran in Newsday when I was a kid and there was no internet or ESPN or anything else useful. Stats indicate that McKoy peaked as a Soph and then regressed a little when he had another high flying LIer as his front court mate, David Russell, who I got to watch in my HS gym a few times. Werdann improved every year until he got hurt Sr year. That said any of these three under achieving big men would be the best big on any of the last 10 STJ teams. Oh and Werdann has a lot of coaching experience, albeit in the NBA and D League, presently coach of the Grand Rapids team. Hire him up if Rice doesn't come.[/quote]
I always got the feeling Werdann should have been better. Made the NBA but was never consistent here.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.[/quote]
Before my time as well, though I remember reading about McKoy at Lutheran in Newsday when I was a kid and there was no internet or ESPN or anything else useful. Stats indicate that McKoy peaked as a Soph and then regressed a little when he had another high flying LIer as his front court mate, David Russell, who I got to watch in my HS gym a few times. Werdann improved every year until he got hurt Sr year. That said any of these three under achieving big men would be the best big on any of the last 10 STJ teams. Oh and Werdann has a lot of coaching experience, albeit in the NBA and D League, presently coach of the Grand Rapids team. Hire him up if Rice doesn't come.[/quote]
I always got the feeling Werdann should have been better. Made the NBA but was never consistent here.
[quote="Class of 72" post=279856][quote="Danny Noonan" post=279805][quote="Class of 72" post=279774][quote="Danny Noonan" post=279771]Yakwe is a good kid , great teammate and played hard. To bad he couldn’t catch a basketball ( that’s right it’s Mullins fault he has hands of stone). Best of luck to him.[/quote]
Actually this is Mullin’s fault if you missed it:
"He took far fewer shots as the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him."
It is going to be hard getting a decent big when you don't design anything resembling an inside game.
It's fun watching a run and gun game but not so much if that game leads always to the bottom of the conference barrel.[/quote]
You are a joke sir. Guys like you make this site Nauseating. We all know your disdain for Mullin as a coach, you are broken record. At one time I respected your input/opinion. Now you have become 75+ year old troll.[/quote]
Sorry Danny but you are officially on my shit list! You sir are a sewer inspector constantly praising the smell of the sewer because it, and your shit, don't stink.
Three personal insults in one response where you could have have just disputed what I said would have sufficed but you made it personal to defend our dunce coach. So, the best you could come up with was " I am a joke, a broken record, and to add age descrimination you had to add "a 75 year old troll".
Perhaps you need a remedial on the dozens of past comments regarding our lack of an inside game, players being nowhere near the basket for offensive rebounds, or the very simple fact that, except for Clark, no player over 6'7 has stuck with Mullin longer than necessary. A inattentive mind like yours obviously missed the quote from the reporter that I was referencing that said "the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him." WHO on this staff could develop a big? This is where Ewing will have a "big" advantage and where Kimani Young will point to our failures with NYC area players.
Now, take your shoeshine box and get out of here![/quote]
I’m sorry Mr. 72. I shouldn’t have insulted you. I apologize to the rest of members for my comments.
I can make a 10 minute video on the kids inability to catch a basketball and add in quite a few traveling violations. He was excellent at taking charges & blocking shots. I’m not sure if it’s Mullins fault, I also don’t know how much time he was putting in the gym. Kid is a raw talent with athletic who needs a lot of gym time. I don’t have the answers and I don’t pretend like I do.
Actually this is Mullin’s fault if you missed it:
"He took far fewer shots as the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him."
It is going to be hard getting a decent big when you don't design anything resembling an inside game.
It's fun watching a run and gun game but not so much if that game leads always to the bottom of the conference barrel.[/quote]
You are a joke sir. Guys like you make this site Nauseating. We all know your disdain for Mullin as a coach, you are broken record. At one time I respected your input/opinion. Now you have become 75+ year old troll.[/quote]
Sorry Danny but you are officially on my shit list! You sir are a sewer inspector constantly praising the smell of the sewer because it, and your shit, don't stink.
Three personal insults in one response where you could have have just disputed what I said would have sufficed but you made it personal to defend our dunce coach. So, the best you could come up with was " I am a joke, a broken record, and to add age descrimination you had to add "a 75 year old troll".
Perhaps you need a remedial on the dozens of past comments regarding our lack of an inside game, players being nowhere near the basket for offensive rebounds, or the very simple fact that, except for Clark, no player over 6'7 has stuck with Mullin longer than necessary. A inattentive mind like yours obviously missed the quote from the reporter that I was referencing that said "the Johnnies played a faster pace and did not run post up plays for him." WHO on this staff could develop a big? This is where Ewing will have a "big" advantage and where Kimani Young will point to our failures with NYC area players.
Now, take your shoeshine box and get out of here![/quote]
I’m sorry Mr. 72. I shouldn’t have insulted you. I apologize to the rest of members for my comments.
I can make a 10 minute video on the kids inability to catch a basketball and add in quite a few traveling violations. He was excellent at taking charges & blocking shots. I’m not sure if it’s Mullins fault, I also don’t know how much time he was putting in the gym. Kid is a raw talent with athletic who needs a lot of gym time. I don’t have the answers and I don’t pretend like I do.
[quote="we are sju" post=279876][quote="austour" post=279873][quote="we are sju" post=279862][quote="austour" post=279858]Also Noonan sucks at math. A '72 grad would only be 68 years old right now.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.[/quote]
Before my time as well, though I remember reading about McKoy at Lutheran in Newsday when I was a kid and there was no internet or ESPN or anything else useful. Stats indicate that McKoy peaked as a Soph and then regressed a little when he had another high flying LIer as his front court mate, David Russell, who I got to watch in my HS gym a few times. Werdann improved every year until he got hurt Sr year. That said any of these three under achieving big men would be the best big on any of the last 10 STJ teams. Oh and Werdann has a lot of coaching experience, albeit in the NBA and D League, presently coach of the Grand Rapids team. Hire him up if Rice doesn't come.[/quote]
I always got the feeling Werdann should have been better. Made the NBA but was never consistent here.[/quote]
Agree, skilled player, but injuries his senior year hindered him. That said, considering our abysmal post play for so long, he would make us happy today.
Re Yakwe the truth no doubt lies somewhere in the middle, he's not the first 4 star big from LI to fail at STJ (Ed Brown, Tom Bayne) though of course he's not really from LI at all. The staff's approach to the game is outside out and occasionally a little outside in. Fans and proponents of inside out like myself are probably dinosaurs but that's the kind of system that MIGHT have gotten the best out of Kassoum, if there was a best to have. But he went for 7/5/2+ as a frosh. Staying there or even slightly improving would have meant a decent career. Didn't happen.
I blame the staff for getting rid of Zendon after Yakwe's frosh year. Just kidding as I have no idea if Zendon was a good big man coach or not.[/quote]
Before my time but didn't Wayne McKoy regress every year? Was that Louie's fault? Robert Werdann while remaining solid never really got better.
With Yakwe's skill set he had to have a great motor and succeed using his jumping ability and hustle. Sort of like a Jerome Williams form Gtown or Jerome Lane from Pitt. In addition to having the worst hands in program history Yakwe seemed to have no instincts to the ball and a pretty low motor.[/quote]
Before my time as well, though I remember reading about McKoy at Lutheran in Newsday when I was a kid and there was no internet or ESPN or anything else useful. Stats indicate that McKoy peaked as a Soph and then regressed a little when he had another high flying LIer as his front court mate, David Russell, who I got to watch in my HS gym a few times. Werdann improved every year until he got hurt Sr year. That said any of these three under achieving big men would be the best big on any of the last 10 STJ teams. Oh and Werdann has a lot of coaching experience, albeit in the NBA and D League, presently coach of the Grand Rapids team. Hire him up if Rice doesn't come.[/quote]
I always got the feeling Werdann should have been better. Made the NBA but was never consistent here.[/quote]
Agree, skilled player, but injuries his senior year hindered him. That said, considering our abysmal post play for so long, he would make us happy today.