Worst losses ever

Monte post=447696 said:
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SLYFOXX1968 post=447647 said:
I don’t think it’s a question of Dunn or Pinzon . More accurately it would be Dunn or Smith . I would take Dunn .   Dunn or Mathis , I would take Dunn. . Coburn isn’t in the Mix as he was a late and unexpected addition .       Worst losses ever ?   I would say losing to Penn back in the late 70’s that denied us the Final 4 .  We had just beaten a very good Rutgers team to get to the final 8 .  Wasn’t one of Louie’s best games .           Of course , the Artest , Barkley team losing to Ohio State with a Final 4 berth on the line  was a awful loss too.    I picked games that actually denied us a better finish , not losing to cupcakes over the last 20 years or so . 
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Great post and that was the point of my “edited” post. Dunn over Smith (and as you correctly noted, Mathis)…. Re: worst loss, you cited great examples

By the way, I think Pinzon should get more minutes…he is the future and, frankly, has more ability and brings more energy than Smith, Mathis et al
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I'd also like to see what Pinzon can do with more minutes, but I'm not ready yet  to sacrifice the present for the future. I'm also not convinced that Pinzon is ready for a much heavier load. Now, if it gets to the point that we're pretty much out of contention for a tourney birth(barring a Big East championship), then give the players who are likely to return the bulk of the minutes. 
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Appreciate your passion for the program…..its apparent

I’m not looking to sacrifice present either. For me, I’m not seeing anything out of Smith and at this point, I think Pinzon offers more. I’ll take his freshmen mistakes in return for his energy and fearlessness. IMO, Smith’s defense is non existent, his decision making is freshmen-like and his shooting ability is meh. Hoping he can turn it around but if I’m getting similar results I am catering to the freshmen. Smith has no options after this year and HS coaches are watching what CMA does with their kids. And, maybe we recapture that “edge” we had last year.
 
THE WORST LOSS WAS THE 3 GAMES TO G-TOWN DURING MULLIN BERRY FINAL 4 YEAR...THAT WAS LOUIE'S FAILURE TO ADAPT,WHILE BIG JOHN DID..
 
BOB BARKER post=447702 said:
THE WORST LOSS WAS THE 3 GAMES TO G-TOWN DURING MULLIN BERRY FINAL 4 YEAR...THAT WAS LOUIE'S FAILURE TO ADAPT,WHILE BIG JOHN DID..
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Think about it. We had 4 1st round picks who played in nba plus Shelton Jones who played some also and I think won the nba slam dunk one year. We had more talent.
 
One reason SJU lost those three games to Geo was the failure of getting Berry eligible for the prior season 83-84.Berry sat out the 82-83 season at SJU and SJU went to federal court in Sept of 83 fighting for his eligibility but the court ruled in favor of the NCAA declaring him ineligible.
Berry than left SJU for San Jacinto where he played the 83-84 season. He then played the 84-85 season at SJU and was a terrific player. However after having that one season under his belt he became the player of the year in 85-86. Had he been able to play at SJU in 83-84 SJU would have been a much better team in 84-85 because of his improvement and maybe those three games may have had a different result.
 
Enright post=447710 said:
One reason SJU lost those three games to Geo was the failure of getting Berry eligible for the prior season 83-84.Berry sat out the 82-83 season at SJU and SJU went to federal court in Sept of 83 fighting for his eligibility but the court ruled in favor of the NCAA declaring him ineligible.
Berry than left SJU for San Jacinto where he played the 83-84 season. He then played the 84-85 season at SJU and was a terrific player. However after having that one season under his belt he became the player of the year in 85-86. Had he been able to play at SJU in 83-84 SJU would have been a much better team in 84-85 because of his improvement and maybe those three games may have had a different result.
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We simply never found a way to beat the attention they threw at Mullin despite having more overall talent than they did…..Ewing was an impregnable force for them which left us to focus on scoring from the inside. We had a lot of really good players but, with Mullin neutralized, we didn’t have a lot of other perimeter options
 
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I can remember a horrible loss to Columbia at their place in the late 70s. They had a short guard  ( Bird )
I think . I was so upset that my fiancee had to drive home . The loss to St Thomas under Mullin was equally  upsetting . I trying to look at positive aspects of this game  eg Soriano almost had a double double . We have a few days to prepare for Butler , lets hope we  adjust .    
 
Georgetown was just a bad matchup for us. Yes, we had more talent/pros, but Georgetown was tough to the point of being dirty and we weren't a particularly tough team.  
 
matt105 post=447712 said:
I can remember a horrible loss to Columbia at their place in the late 70s. They had a short guard  ( Bird )
I think . I was so upset that my fiancee had to drive home . The loss to St Thomas under Mullin was equally  upsetting . I trying to look at positive aspects of this game  eg Soriano almost had a double double . We have a few days to prepare for Butler , lets hope we  adjust .    
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Alton Byrd
 
Two losses that stick out to me are the Georgia loss in tourney 83 and the Tulane loss that ended Looie’s career You could slo throw in the DePaul loss in Tourney with Strickland
 
salty dog post=447715 said:
Two losses that stick out to me are the Georgia loss in tourney 83 and the Tulane loss that ended Looie’s career You could slo throw in the DePaul loss in Tourney with Strickland

I was at that Georgia loss. I’m changing my vote to that one.
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Correct me if I'm wrong -  is that the game Mullin missed the front end of a one and one????   If not that game, what game did that happen in?
 
We may have had better talent than GTown in 85 but it was marginal at best.
That team had 5 draft picks in Ewing, Reggie Williams, David Wingate, Bill Martin and Michael Jackson - the first three having the most success.
 
 
Phil G post=447719 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong -  is that the game Mullin missed the front end of a one and one????   If not that game, what game did that happen in?
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Was that the Temple/Terrance Stansbury game? 
 
Mullin missed the front end of a one and one vs Temple in a NCAA first round game when two foul shots would  have locked up the game.SJU was up one but Temple made a basket following the miss and won the game.
 
Monte post=447722 said:
Phil G post=447719 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong -  is that the game Mullin missed the front end of a one and one????   If not that game, what game did that happen in?
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Was that the Temple/Terrance Stansbury game? 
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Villanova in the Palestra in 82 or 83. 
 
Many worthy choices submitted, too many. I know many of us remember the Syracuse game ending Louie Orr layup, after he charged Reggie Carter, but there was another rarely mentioned bad beat. While Frank Mulzoff was coach, a relatively average Syracuse came to Alumni Hall and we were up one, with Ed Searcy shooting a one and one, with about ten seconds left. Searcy missed the first free throw and I think Cuse called a time out. In any event, everyone in the gym knew the ball was going to Cuse's best player, guard Dennis Duval, from Westbury. We had been playing man to man defense, and Boeheim knew, from experience, SJU will never alter their strategy, so he ran Duval's defender, Mel Utley, into their 6-6, 300 pound center (FNU) Dooms and got Duval a clear look from about 15 feet and the ball went through the hoop as the buzzer went off. 
 
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Phil G post=447719 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong -  is that the game Mullin missed the front end of a one and one????   If not that game, what game did that happen in?
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Vs.villanova at the spectrum. John pinone then got all net at the buzzer from a out 25 (2 pt shot) and nova wins by 1. I was there.

John Pinone , terrific college player.
 
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