Why are we not being looked at by ACC?

 They are ranked in separate categories. Marist is the #8 best school in the Northeast region. SB is ranked as a much larger public university nationally. I said SB is a great school...there's no denying that. But those who apply to Marist also apply to schools like BC, NYU, Providence, Nova, etc. You ignore the major benefits of private schools which is MUCH smaller class size, professors who speak english (I mean that seriously), much more manicured campuses, people from your same socioeconomic bracket you can get along with easier, much nicer facilities such as libraries, dorms, etc. and the professors know who you are when they see you walking on campus. I understand this is clearly not true for all public universities, but me and my friends who attended private colleges seem to be much more serious about academics than those who went to SUNY Albany, SUNY Cortland, SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Suffolk, etc. Private school and SUNY's have much different atmospheres. At SUNY's students tend to just get by to graduate and don't really care about GPA. At private schools like Marist and Providence, students take it much more seriously. This is all my opinion from my experiences and is not meant to sound elitist at all.
 
 They are ranked in separate categories. Marist is the #8 best school in the Northeast region. SB is ranked as a much larger public university nationally. I said SB is a great school...there's no denying that. But those who apply to Marist also apply to schools like BC, NYU, Providence, Nova, etc. You ignore the major benefits of private schools which is MUCH smaller class size, professors who speak english (I mean that seriously), much more manicured campuses, people from your same socioeconomic bracket you can get along with easier, much nicer facilities such as libraries, dorms, etc. and the professors know who you are when they see you walking on campus. I understand this is clearly not true for all public universities, but me and my friends who attended private colleges seem to be much more serious about academics than those who went to SUNY Albany, SUNY Cortland, SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Suffolk, etc. Private school and SUNY's have much different atmospheres. At SUNY's students tend to just get by to graduate and don't really care about GPA. At private schools like Marist and Providence, students take it much more seriously. This is all my opinion from my experiences and is not meant to sound elitist at all.
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 You make a good point about private schools. However, students at public universities do care about GPAs. You dont want a student to graduate from college w a $ 200,000 debt burden. I went to a small private college and enjoyed the small class size and intimate campus. I would have liked to send my kids to private school for college, but the economic disparity was to great . They went to public universities, FSU and FAU and are debt free.Furthermore , a lot of doctors and lawyers send their kids to schools like FSU, UNC ,Rutgers and SUNY.
 
 They are ranked in separate categories. Marist is the #8 best school in the Northeast region. SB is ranked as a much larger public university nationally. I said SB is a great school...there's no denying that. But those who apply to Marist also apply to schools like BC, NYU, Providence, Nova, etc. You ignore the major benefits of private schools which is MUCH smaller class size, professors who speak english (I mean that seriously), much more manicured campuses, people from your same socioeconomic bracket you can get along with easier, much nicer facilities such as libraries, dorms, etc. and the professors know who you are when they see you walking on campus. I understand this is clearly not true for all public universities, but me and my friends who attended private colleges seem to be much more serious about academics than those who went to SUNY Albany, SUNY Cortland, SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Suffolk, etc. Private school and SUNY's have much different atmospheres. At SUNY's students tend to just get by to graduate and don't really care about GPA. At private schools like Marist and Providence, students take it much more seriously. This is all my opinion from my experiences and is not meant to sound elitist at all.
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 You make a good point about private schools. However, students at public universities do care about GPAs. You dont want a student to graduate from college w a $ 200,000 debt burden. I went to a small private college and enjoyed the small class size and intimate campus. I would have liked to send my kids to private school for college, but the economic disparity was to great . They went to public universities, FSU and FAU and are debt free.Furthermore , a lot of doctors and lawyers send their kids to schools like FSU, UNC ,Rutgers and SUNY.
 
With all due respect, Marist is a safety school for people applying to BC, NYU and Villanova.

BC and NYU, I believe, are ranked in the top 30 in the country. 

Would think only a handful at most would turn down Nova for Marist. I'm sure it happens but not all that often.

That said, Marist is a solid school.

Isn't Suffolk a community college and Cortland primarily a Phys. Ed. teachers school ? Would think very few, if any, who apply to these schools would also apply to Marist. Very different "animals"IMO with very different students.

Albany, Buffalo and Binghampton are solid academic SUNY schools, as I'm sure you would agree.
 
 Marist is currently only accepting 30% of applicants...pretty soon it will be in the 20's. That is unheard of unless you are talking places like Cornell, Duke, etc. Not saying at ALL that Marist is anywhere near there, but their 30% acceptance rate makes it one of the top 100 if not top 75 hardest schools in the nation to get into. Yes chances are you will get into Marist if you got into Nova, BC, NYU, etc. but my point is that they are still in the ballpark within the same competitiveness. I think a big reason Marist doesn't get much credit from you guys is because it wasn't a highly selective school when you were college aged. It really only started to get very selective and gain tons of respect in the late 2000's say about 2006-2007. It went from #14 to #8 in the northeast in just a handful of years.

In regards to the profile of SUNY students, if you don't attend the few legitimate SUNY's: Geneseo, Binghamton, Stony Brook then sorry but there isn't any respect there. Albany, Buffalo, Fredonia, Cortland, Plattsburgh, Oneonta, etc. are a joke for the most part. The bottom rung of my HS class attends those schools. Remember the kids that were druggies and always skipped class but somehow graduated anyway? Those are the schools they ended up at. No exaggeration. I remember one Albany student saying they love when it snows because it covers all the trash around campus and it looks decent for a day or 2 before it melts.

Most CUNY's and SUNY's are jokes save for a few from each. The Providence's, Marist's, Fordham's, Manhattan's, Fairfield's, etc. receive more professional students who don't just want to get their degree...they want to do the best they can. I don't believe you about lawyers and doctors choosing to send their kids to SUNY's. Maybe Stony Brook is the only exception, but they would much rather John's Hopkins or Harvard for law school.
 
That's what we call more money than sense. WTF is it with kids who choose to major in liberal arts at expensive private schools.
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So do you demand that everyone buy a Toyota Camry while you bash those who enjoy luxury, buying Mercedes, BMW's, and Maserati's? You are implying that both schools Marist and Stony Brook have the same benefits. They don't. Marist is only 5,000 students vs. like 10,000 for SB. Marist has much nicer dorms and a way nicer campus on the Hudson river. SB is in SB...who wants to stay home 15 minutes away on a bland campus? Wanting to go away is normal. It helps you grow in my opinion. Marist has MUCH smaller classes. In your freshman year expect to have 20-25 MAX per class. At SB expect 500. It's not even close so stop trying to make it seem like that kid made a bad decision. The money you pay for private schools gets you benefits you can't get at a SUNY. With that said, SB is a great school...but that doesn't mean you are an idiot for not attending if you live 15 minutes away.
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Not at all. The more money we have the less sense we need. That's natural. Relating it to cars as you did there is a perceived if not true extra value in a Maserati over a Camry, same could be said for what might be considered an above average private school over an above average public school. What I'm trying to figure out is the value of a Liberal Arts degree. Sorry if it came out that I was bashing the school choice more than the major choice. But I also point to that thread on the other page about the value of a college degree. Personally I am always thinking about ROI.
 
 People always talk about the value of a degree, but people won't ever stop going to college. It makes you a much more well-rounded person than just going into electric trade school or something. Obviously we all wish college was cheaper but it just isn't. Major is also something that gets exaggerated. It doesn't really matter. I have a liberal arts degree in Psychology. Sure, there is not much you can do with it by itself, but I continued onto grad school here, and can expect to start out at 60-65k which is very good for this economy starting out. Just because you major in Psych doesn't mean you won't make money, you just need to do your homework and see what makes sense. You also don't have to get a job consistent with your major. Plenty of people major in Psych then go out and get a business job. Same with communications. The companies train you anyway.
 
 People always talk about the value of a degree, but people won't ever stop going to college. It makes you a much more well-rounded person than just going into electric trade school or something. Obviously we all wish college was cheaper but it just isn't. Major is also something that gets exaggerated. It doesn't really matter. I have a liberal arts degree in Psychology. Sure, there is not much you can do with it by itself, but I continued onto grad school here, and can expect to start out at 60-65k which is very good for this economy starting out. Just because you major in Psych doesn't mean you won't make money, you just need to do your homework and see what makes sense. You also don't have to get a job consistent with your major. Plenty of people major in Psych then go out and get a business job. Same with communications. The companies train you anyway.
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If you know you're going to grad school (and spending another $75-100K) then you're right it doesn't matter. And you're also right that folks who go straight to work out of undergrad learn more in their first 2 years on the job than they do in college but nowadays who's hiring folks with only undergrad degrees? My generation it was enough, now I'm not so sure. And as a parent getting just getting into college investigation and tours I don't want my kids moving back in with me so I'll be directing them to more practical choices that ensure my empty nester status. ; )  
 
 Marist is currently only accepting 30% of applicants...pretty soon it will be in the 20's. That is unheard of unless you are talking places like Cornell, Duke, etc. Not saying at ALL that Marist is anywhere near there, but their 30% acceptance rate makes it one of the top 100 if not top 75 hardest schools in the nation to get into. Yes chances are you will get into Marist if you got into Nova, BC, NYU, etc. but my point is that they are still in the ballpark within the same competitiveness. I think a big reason Marist doesn't get much credit from you guys is because it wasn't a highly selective school when you were college aged. It really only started to get very selective and gain tons of respect in the late 2000's say about 2006-2007. It went from #14 to #8 in the northeast in just a handful of years.

In regards to the profile of SUNY students, if you don't attend the few legitimate SUNY's: Geneseo, Binghamton, Stony Brook then sorry but there isn't any respect there. Albany, Buffalo, Fredonia, Cortland, Plattsburgh, Oneonta, etc. are a joke for the most part. The bottom rung of my HS class attends those schools. Remember the kids that were druggies and always skipped class but somehow graduated anyway? Those are the schools they ended up at. No exaggeration. I remember one Albany student saying they love when it snows because it covers all the trash around campus and it looks decent for a day or 2 before it melts.

Most CUNY's and SUNY's are jokes save for a few from each. The Providence's, Marist's, Fordham's, Manhattan's, Fairfield's, etc. receive more professional students who don't just want to get their degree...they want to do the best they can. I don't believe you about lawyers and doctors choosing to send their kids to SUNY's. Maybe Stony Brook is the only exception, but they would much rather John's Hopkins or Harvard for law school.
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 Im from NJ and now live in Boca Raton FL. I am not an expert on SUNY. My wifes cousin and his wife went to SUNY , I believe Binghamton, and they are now lawyers, her father was an MD. Many of my neighbors are doctors, dentists and lawyers( I am a dentist) and many send their kids to UF or FSU. Many of the kids choose the state schools over schools like Emory and Lafayette. I have a patient who sent her son to UF over Princeton, due to $ , he is now in medical school.
 
 I really hope you aren't comparing schools like UF and FSU to SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Purchase, and SUNY Albany. I never said state schools in other states sucked...just New York. Many HS students simply joke around during HS, have a low GPA and are forced to go to Suffolk for 2 years or go to a school like SUNY Cortland. I don't even think it's close in NY. Private > public on average. Marist, Cornell, Columbia, NYU, Manhattan, Fordham, SJU, Hofstra, Vassar, etc. are all lightyears ahead of SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Fredonia, SUNY Plattsburgh, SUNY Oneonta, etc. Not even close. 
 
 Notre Dame didn't move because of the perceived academic status of conference members. it moved to shore up access to bowl games. This is all about football. Previously, Notre Dame had BCS access but a pretty weak affiliation with the Big East for non-BCS bowls. The ACC is granting ND full access to its bowl lineup.

It was a no-brainer for ND to make this move, since the ACC basically caved on all fronts.
 
A consoldation of power (and ND has plenty of it), and you are right, an access to a BCS Bowl. 

As the column in the Wall Street Journal stated:


Not only is Notre Dame getting the milk for free, it also doesn't have to clean out the barn
 
 People always talk about the value of a degree, but people won't ever stop going to college. It makes you a much more well-rounded person than just going into electric trade school or something. Obviously we all wish college was cheaper but it just isn't. Major is also something that gets exaggerated. It doesn't really matter. I have a liberal arts degree in Psychology. Sure, there is not much you can do with it by itself, but I continued onto grad school here, and can expect to start out at 60-65k which is very good for this economy starting out. Just because you major in Psych doesn't mean you won't make money, you just need to do your homework and see what makes sense. You also don't have to get a job consistent with your major. Plenty of people major in Psych then go out and get a business job. Same with communications. The companies train you anyway.
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 People always talk about the value of a degree, but people won't ever stop going to college. It makes you a much more well-rounded person than just going into electric trade school or something. Obviously we all wish college was cheaper but it just isn't. Major is also something that gets exaggerated. It doesn't really matter. I have a liberal arts degree in Psychology. Sure, there is not much you can do with it by itself, but I continued onto grad school here, and can expect to start out at 60-65k which is very good for this economy starting out. Just because you major in Psych doesn't mean you won't make money, you just need to do your homework and see what makes sense. You also don't have to get a job consistent with your major. Plenty of people major in Psych then go out and get a business job. Same with communications. The companies train you anyway.
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I sure hope you can corral a job at $65K in this market. All the best to you !!!! Hope it all works out !
 
 Marist is currently only accepting 30% of applicants...pretty soon it will be in the 20's. That is unheard of unless you are talking places like Cornell, Duke, etc. Not saying at ALL that Marist is anywhere near there, but their 30% acceptance rate makes it one of the top 100 if not top 75 hardest schools in the nation to get into. Yes chances are you will get into Marist if you got into Nova, BC, NYU, etc. but my point is that they are still in the ballpark within the same competitiveness. I think a big reason Marist doesn't get much credit from you guys is because it wasn't a highly selective school when you were college aged. It really only started to get very selective and gain tons of respect in the late 2000's say about 2006-2007. It went from #14 to #8 in the northeast in just a handful of years.

In regards to the profile of SUNY students, if you don't attend the few legitimate SUNY's: Geneseo, Binghamton, Stony Brook then sorry but there isn't any respect there. Albany, Buffalo, Fredonia, Cortland, Plattsburgh, Oneonta, etc. are a joke for the most part. The bottom rung of my HS class attends those schools. Remember the kids that were druggies and always skipped class but somehow graduated anyway? Those are the schools they ended up at. No exaggeration. I remember one Albany student saying they love when it snows because it covers all the trash around campus and it looks decent for a day or 2 before it melts.

Most CUNY's and SUNY's are jokes save for a few from each. The Providence's, Marist's, Fordham's, Manhattan's, Fairfield's, etc. receive more professional students who don't just want to get their degree...they want to do the best they can. I don't believe you about lawyers and doctors choosing to send their kids to SUNY's. Maybe Stony Brook is the only exception, but they would much rather John's Hopkins or Harvard for law school.
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i think you are playing (just a little) fast and lose with the interpertation of the acceptance rates.

If Marist has an accepatnce rate of 20% (as you state that it will have in the near future) does that mean it will be as difficult to get into as ND ?? Of course not. We all know that. Kids applying to ND aren't applying to Marist. It's different pool of applicants entirely.

Perhaps Marist is selective among those schools a notch (at very, very best) or two (most likely) down from those applying to the really "selective" schools in the nation but they are not what one would ever think of as a "select" school. I think we are on the same page as far as that is concerned.

Fordham has an acceptance rate of around 40% does that make Marist a better school because they have a lower acceptance rate ? That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

Marist is a good solid school, but it is not a door opener.

It is not on the same level (real and/or perceived) as BC or NYU.

It's as if you are zipping with in your own reality, which you are more than entitled to do.

I respect you for sticking up for your alma mater although I think is not entirely measured. But that's OK.

At the end of the day, what harm does it do ?

How seriously do you would you think you would be taken if you went to BC and NYU and said that Marist is in the same ballpark within the same competivness (your words).

BC, and NYU at least get you a look.

Doesn't guarantee you a job but it does make the interview cut off list of schools among most Fortune 500 companies.
 
If playing in the ACC means we'll be playing in the best basketball conference in the nation, then at this point in time -- when the BE as we knew it continues to unravel before our eyes and faces a very murky future -- I'm all for it. I don't think we owe any loyality to Marquette, DePaul, or any other BE teams except for maybe Georgetown and Providence. I'd include Villanova as well, but since they've been rumored to be courting the ACC, not even them. It's nice to think about an elite conference comprising basketball powers that aren't football schools (or at least not big-time football schools), but that might take a long time to put together, and time is starting to run out for some of us older fans.
 
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