What will it take to salvage this program

Monte post=454866 said:
 Bamafan doesn't seem reasonable at all in his reaction to Beast. Beast posts intelligent comments and disagreements. Bamafan seemed to throw a tantrum when Beast disagreed with him and gave his reasons.
And no, absent some actual basis for believing it, I don't assume SJU coaches have been corrupt.
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I don't assume, I know. For a fact. Believe it or dont, don't make a damn bit of difference to me 
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Then do tell.
 
Actually we are all a little pissy about the start of this season.  Bamafan and Monte are two of the nicest guys on here, so I don't want this to escalate any more.
 
I'd raise Jerry Tarkanian from the dead to run this program because I don't care if he "cheated" at all.
He loved his players, his players loved him, and he told it like it is. 
So let's Lazarus his ass and get going.  
 
MainMan post=454876 said:
I'd raise Jerry Tarkanian from the dead to run this program because I don't care if he "cheated" at all.
He loved his players, his players loved him, and he told it like it is. 
So let's Lazarus his ass and get going. 
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Hot tub access of course 
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MainMan post=454876 said:
I'd raise Jerry Tarkanian from the dead to run this program because I don't care if he "cheated" at all.
He loved his players, his players loved him, and he told it like it is. 
So let's Lazarus his ass and get going.                                             Lazarus and Tark aren’t coming here , by all accounts . But., within our Redmen history , who wouldn’t like to have Joe Lapchick as Coach and Louie as his Assistant again ..                                         Lapchick was long admired by the Elite of  Players and Coaches of his Era .    And , Kareem has as much mentioned he would have come to St John’s if Lapchick had remained as Coach .  We might have been the UCLA during Jabbar’s career , instead of  Wooden and the Bruins . 
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Proud Alumn post=454871 said:
Monte post=454866 said:
 Bamafan doesn't seem reasonable at all in his reaction to Beast. Beast posts intelligent comments and disagreements. Bamafan seemed to throw a tantrum when Beast disagreed with him and gave his reasons.
And no, absent some actual basis for believing it, I don't assume SJU coaches have been corrupt.
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I don't assume, I know. For a fact. Believe it or dont, don't make a damn bit of difference to me 
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Then do tell.
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Yeah, ok. 
 
SLYFOXX1968 post=454878 said:
MainMan post=454876 said:
I'd raise Jerry Tarkanian from the dead to run this program because I don't care if he "cheated" at all.
He loved his players, his players loved him, and he told it like it is. 
So let's Lazarus his ass and get going.                                             Lazarus and Tark aren’t coming here , by all accounts . But., within our Redmen history , who wouldn’t like to have Joe Lapchick as Coach and Louie as his Assistant again ..                                         Lapchick was long admired by the Elite of  Players and Coaches of his Era .    And , Kareem has as much mentioned he would have come to St John’s if Lapchick had remained as Coach .  We might have been the UCLA during Jabbar’s career , instead of  Wooden and the Bruins . 
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I know that Kareem/Lapchick rumor has been circulating for years. IMO Sam Gilbert wasn't letting Kareem go anywhere but UCLA. Who Wooden wanted, Sam delivered. Just my opinion mind you, but based in fact. 
 
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perhaps SJU should hire sharon stone in some capacity.  it would definitely give us gray panthers a boost.
 
Three ways:

1)Hire Pitino
2)Play the current version of Georgetown every game 
3)Have every BE road game cancelled and re-scheduled as on campus games.

L J S A post=455059
Aside from Pitino, I think playing Georgetown every game would salvage the program.
 
If Anderson can't figure out quickly how to bag a killer '23 recruiting class we are screwed. Even then, I'm not confident he'd really know what to do with high talent.

The only semi decent win we have all year is Seton Hall.   Past that we beat Gtown twice  Butler and DePaul. The cellar of the Big East.

Pathetic... but we'll always have the 119 pts vs. Mississippi Valley St. to make us smile.

 
 
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SJU61982 post=454577 said:
Mug Costanza post=454570 said:
I think the facilities issue is mildly overblown. Seton Hall has enjoyed a period of sustained success and their facilities are no better than ours. There are plenty of programs better than us right now that don't have unbelievable facilities. Lavin and Mullin got talented players to come here in these conditions. Teams like Davidson, Murray State, San Francisco and Wyoming would be NCAA at large teams if the season ended today.

We need a legit head coach. We have to stop "playing it safe" with a coaching hire. The Pitino thing has been beat to death here now and I'm not saying him specifically, but if there's a guy available with maybe a checkered past but knows how to win, hire him. Stop trying to hire the nice guy whose son you want your daughter to marry and hire the guy that's gonna win even if he's abrasive or has a bit of a shady history. Just need to hire the right guy one time.
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I don't know being abrasive, because I've never been a fan of Bob Knight-style bully coaching, but:

I was against hiring Pitino 3 years ago.  Boy, was I wrong.  I'd happily take him tomorrow.

In fact, if I can get him, Chris Mack, or maybe even Kevin Ollie right away, I don't even let Anderson finish the season.

If I have to "settle" for Mark Schmidt or King Rice after the season, I'd probably do it, as well.

Which brings up another question:

Why are we so adverse to promoting someone from the mid-major ranks?

Our last four coaches have been:

1. A career assistant

2.  Someone out of the game for 7 years (though not completely distant, but not in coaching)

3.  Someone with no experience

and 

4.  Someone who was fired from his previous job for not winning enough.

Villanova got Jay Wright from Hofstra.  Providence got Ed Cooley from Fairfield.  Seton Hall got Kevin Willard from Iona.

While nothing is foolproof, promoting someone from the mid-major ranks generally is the best basis for success, when hiring a coach.  We haven't done that since Jarvis.

 
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It's easy to pick the big conference head coaches who have had incredible success who started at a lower level. Virtually all did, so choosing just the best ones and saying "We should do that" as a formula for success doesn't provide any guarantees. I would imagine the failure rate for mid major coaches making the jump is very very high. Nearly all who do make the jump don't do it on the basis of sustained long term success at a mid-major, but more as a direct result of a cinderella season.

Even coaches who jump from a power conference smaller program to a higher salaried higher profile coaching position fail more often than they succeed.

When it comes down to it, the decision makers at SJU have been as impatient as our fans, and continually have replaced coaches after 2-6 years, dipping into the high risk pool of mid majors HC, assistants, inexperienced, and moderately successful.

YOu just can't keep changing the coaches and think that something different will happen after 30 years of doing the same.
 
IMO the 2 main reasons kids go to a school are the coach/staff, and the compensation. Yes there are other factors that come in to play(geography, facilities, etc), but I believe those are the 2 biggest. Since we claim to be a school that doesn't pay kids and never paid kids, then the NIL should be helping us by leveling the playing field as far as compensating kids. In fact, being in NYC, and with the wealth of opportunities, it should be giving us an advantage over most schools. So, at the end of the day, the right coach offering the right kind of incentives(NIL) will turn this program around in no time. As for those who use our poor facilities as the main excuse, you do know that Arkansas has some of the finest facilities in the country, and last I  checked, CMA's Ark teams only danced 3 times in 8 years. 
 
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MainMan post=456591 said:
Dancing 3 times in 8 years would earn you a statue outside CA.
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That was the collective record with lavin and mullin outside of the year he got cancer.   So, thanks to negatvity, 3 in 8 gets you fired here.
 
Just to be clear, I am not saying that CMA is not "the right coach". Maybe he is, or maybe he isn't. As I've said before, he still needs more time. If he is the right coach, then he'll succeed here with the limitations that he knew the school has when he first signed on. If he does get new facilities, then he should not only be able to succeed, but he should thrive here. 
 
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Monte post=456590 said:
IMO the 2 main reasons kids go to a school are the coach/staff, and the compensation. Yes there are other factors that come in to play(geography, facilities, etc), but I believe those are the 2 biggest. Since we claim to be a school that doesn't pay kids and never paid kids, then the NIL should be helping us by leveling the playing field as far as compensating kids. In fact, being in NYC, and with the wealth of opportunities, it should be giving us an advantage over most schools. So, at the end of the day, the right coach offering the right kind of incentives(NIL) will turn this program around in no time. As for those who use our poor facilities as the main excuse, you do know that Arkansas has some of the finest facilities in the country, and last I  checked, CMA's Ark teams only danced 3 times in 8 years. 
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Please explain how being in a borough of NYC gives an NIL advantage over Villanova, Georgetown, UCONN, etc.
 
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