What will it take to salvage this program

If you get 4-5 years out of Pitino that is not "pissing it away."

Pitino would probably pay part of it himself.

And $5 million in today's terms is not a lot of money even for SJU.

If everyone was on board this would get done in about two seconds.  The idea that a buyout from Iona is what is keeping SJU from hiring Pitino is so ludicrous.

 
 
Room112 post=454691 said:
What is their to salvage? Think about this: the basketball team hasn't won an NCAA tournament game or even advanced to the semi finals of the big East tournament since prior to when the majority of current St John's students were born. A sobering fact but one that really helps out into perspective how far this once legendary program has fallen. 
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As far as this season is concerned, the only way to salvage it is to make run in the Big East Tournament like Georgetown did last year. Believe it or not , if Posh and Wheeler continue to play at the level they are currently playing at and we get the real Champagnie back, it’s not out of the realm of possibility. If we can get all three of those guys going at once and just clean a couple of things up it’s not impossible. Can we get that??? That’s the million dollar question.
 
Can’t shoot threes or free throws
That is not changing with current roster
Anderson no losing record thing going to end
 
we are sju post=454686 said:
We can argue over the main or secondary reasons it will never happen, but it doesn’t matter because it will never happen.
Unfortunately he is the answer to the threads question though
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Nonsense. If you think the only coach in the country who can have success with St. John's is this 70 year-old sleazeball, then why even bother having a program?
 
Mean Gene post=454694 said:
Room112 post=454691 said:
What is their to salvage? Think about this: the basketball team hasn't won an NCAA tournament game or even advanced to the semi finals of the big East tournament since prior to when the majority of current St John's students were born. A sobering fact but one that really helps out into perspective how far this once legendary program has fallen. 
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As far as this season is concerned, the only way to salvage it is to make run in the Big East Tournament like Georgetown did last year. Believe it or not , if Posh and Wheeler continue to play at the level they are currently playing at and we get the real Champagnie back, it’s not out of the realm of possibility. If we can get all three of those guys going at once and just clean a couple of things up it’s not impossible. Can we get that??? That’s the million dollar question.
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Not the million dollar question more like the million to one odds.
 
Mug Costanza post=454570 said:
I think the facilities issue is mildly overblown. Seton Hall has enjoyed a period of sustained success and their facilities are no better than ours. There are plenty of programs better than us right now that don't have unbelievable facilities. Lavin and Mullin got talented players to come here in these conditions. Teams like Davidson, Murray State, San Francisco and Wyoming would be NCAA at large teams if the season ended today.

We need a legit head coach. We have to stop "playing it safe" with a coaching hire. The Pitino thing has been beat to death here now and I'm not saying him specifically, but if there's a guy available with maybe a checkered past but knows how to win, hire him. Stop trying to hire the nice guy whose son you want your daughter to marry and hire the guy that's gonna win even if he's abrasive or has a bit of a shady history. Just need to hire the right guy one time.
 
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The facilities thing is not overblown but can be overcome as Seton Hall (whose practice facility I have never seen either in person, virtually or still photos so I take peoples word that is is worse than ours) has shown.  You need the right coach who can both coach (this includes making adjustments both in games and during the season if something is not working) and recruit (whether its closing the deal or being heavily involved, while identifying players and not burning any bridges with players who can bounce back via transfer or programs), a staff who can cover any short comings the coach might have and who he will listen too) and excites the players and fan base, marketing to get the fans involved and as excited as the Providence game .

Just a few thoughts.
 
I don't think Rick is the only one, I think he is the most obvious one.  He is the one that essentially guarantees you immediate results and relevance and is not a roll of the dice.

You roll the dice enougn (current assistant/low mid major coach/previously fired HC) you may roll sevens eventually.  
 
fordham96 post=454693 said:
If you get 4-5 years out of Pitino that is not "pissing it away."

Pitino would probably pay part of it himself.

And $5 million in today's terms is not a lot of money even for SJU.

If everyone was on board this would get done in about two seconds.  The idea that a buyout from Iona is what is keeping SJU from hiring Pitino is so ludicrous.


 
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It it gets to the point where SJU will consider hiring Pitino I am sure a bunch of other jobs he would rather have will have gotten to that point as well so the point is really moot. 

Whether that's a condemnation of the system or SJU ineptitude I am not sure.
 
fordham96 post=454693 said:
If you get 4-5 years out of Pitino that is not "pissing it away."

Pitino would probably pay part of it himself.

And $5 million in today's terms is not a lot of money even for SJU.

If everyone was on board this would get done in about two seconds.  The idea that a buyout from Iona is what is keeping SJU from hiring Pitino is so ludicrous.


 
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Just curious, how much of that would you put up?  How much have you put up so far?   Just a friendly question.  
 
I don't think so.  This is not 2001 when he was just let go by the Celtics.  At that point he was young enough and his college reputation still well intact that he could pick any job that opened.  He was thisclose to taking the Miami Hurricanes job.  They thought they had him.  Before he decided on Louisville.  

Only he could answer that but I do believe NYC is something at this stage in his life and career is important to him.  

That was not true all the time.

Simply put I just don't think he would go anywhere at this point even if the job was a great job.

austour post=454716


It it gets to the point where SJU will consider hiring Pitino I am sure a bunch of other jobs he would rather have will have gotten to that point as well so the point is really moot. 

Whether that's a condemnation of the system or SJU ineptitude I am not sure.
 
At this point I think his age would be one of the reasons he would consider coming here. Again not going to happen but it is the only definitive answer to the thread question without straying too far off into the ridiculous.
 
fordham96 post=454721 said:
I don't think so.  This is not 2001 when he was just let go by the Celtics.  At that point he was young enough and his college reputation still well intact that he could pick any job that opened.  He was thisclose to taking the Miami Hurricanes job.  They thought they had him.  Before he decided on Louisville.  

Only he could answer that but I do believe NYC is something at this stage in his life and career is important to him.  

That was not true all the time.

Simply put I just don't think he would go anywhere at this point even if the job was a great job.

austour post=454716
fordham96 post=454693 said:
 
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It it gets to the point where SJU will consider hiring Pitino I am sure a bunch of other jobs he would rather have will have gotten to that point as well so the point is really moot. 

Whether that's a condemnation of the system or SJU ineptitude I am not sure.
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Why do you top post?   Can't you figure out how to reply?
 
Bring back the stipend.  We are not a true dormitory school 
 
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Nothing can be done and we will never be a top big east team. Everyone needs to stop that Pitino or some up and comer will be great for program. It is over. Plain and simple
 
If SJU wanted Pitino, and Pitino wanted SJU, there are 5 Million creative ways to structure a deal that would satisfy SJU, Pitino and Iona. And that deal wouldn't involve the school starting a Gofundme page. Although I may start one just for the fun of it. Even if SJU worked out a payment plan and paid Iona in full,
do you guys seriously think that Rick Pitino wouldn't generate an additional 5 Mil in revenue here in no time, just by his meet presence plus success on the court? Hell he'd be a one man fund raiser and would generate 5 Mil in a few days. I seriously question the business acumen of some of you guys. 
 
david cross post=454749 said:
Nothing can be done and we will never be a top big east team. Everyone needs to stop that Pitino or some up and comer will be great for program. It is over. Plain and simple
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Improve the facilities, and a good coach and good recruiter will have success here. 
 
Proud Alumn post=454757 said:
david cross post=454749 said:
Nothing can be done and we will never be a top big east team. Everyone needs to stop that Pitino or some up and comer will be great for program. It is over. Plain and simple
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Improve the facilities, and a good coach and good recruiter will have success here. 


i strongly disagree. I believe the ship has sailed. 
 
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