What will it take to salvage this program

AJ Hidell post=456909 said:
Another point of income is our loss of revenue from not being in the NCAA’s with frequency and losing out on all the unit values of progressing through the rounds. Yes the Big East has a complicated unit value system where each schools units are lumped together in one large pool, then redistributed back to each program, with the schools making the tourney getting back the majority of what they contributed. And those units are paid continuously over a rolling 6 year period. 
That’s why is is vitally important for us to not only get back to the NCAA’s but stay there on a regular basis. It is so lucrative for the schools that make it! We actually lose money playing in the NIT as their reimbursement for expenses does not cover the costs.
https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/2021-ncaa-tournament-basketball-fund-units-money/

 
AJ, another terrific detaled post.    We've proven via Mullin and Lavin that we can put an NCAA caliber team on the floor in a given season, but we've yet to prove post Carnesecca that we can build a sustainable successful program.   We are far from alone in that regard - some schools have sporadic success and then fall back.  St. Joe's in Philly comes to mind,   Continuity and stability is an important component in a sustainable successful program, but in my opinion, way more important is a capital investment that will provide coaches the ability to recruit on an equal footing,   You need to begin with a plan, and how well that plan can be executed in part depends on how well the donor base responds to that plan.   Beyond that, once initial success is attained, that donor base must be continually be expanded, refreshed, and renewed.    
 
Beast of the East post=456910 said:
AJ Hidell post=456909 said:
Another point of income is our loss of revenue from not being in the NCAA’s with frequency and losing out on all the unit values of progressing through the rounds. Yes the Big East has a complicated unit value system where each schools units are lumped together in one large pool, then redistributed back to each program, with the schools making the tourney getting back the majority of what they contributed. And those units are paid continuously over a rolling 6 year period. 
That’s why is is vitally important for us to not only get back to the NCAA’s but stay there on a regular basis. It is so lucrative for the schools that make it! We actually lose money playing in the NIT as their reimbursement for expenses does not cover the costs.
https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/2021-ncaa-tournament-basketball-fund-units-money/


 
AJ, another terrific detaled post.    We've proven via Mullin and Lavin that we can put an NCAA caliber team on the floor in a given season, but we've yet to prove post Carnesecca that we can build a sustainable successful program.   We are far from alone in that regard - some schools have sporadic success and then fall back.  St. Joe's in Philly comes to mind,   Continuity and stability is an important component in a sustainable successful program, but in my opinion, way more important is a capital investment that will provide coaches the ability to recruit on an equal footing,   You need to begin with a plan, and how well that plan can be executed in part depends on how well the donor base responds to that plan.   Beyond that, once initial success is attained, that donor base must be continually be expanded, refreshed, and renewed.    

In concept I agree with the whole plan and initial success process, but with any plan thats worth following there needs to be a time line attached. CMA is now in year three and not only has there been little progress on the ultimate goal of reaching the Dance but in fact the program has regressed somewhat this season. The days of giving a coach multiple years to right the ship are in the past. We played that game and lost which set back the program even more, thanks Norm. If Coach Anderson cannot reach the Dance within a 4 year period, he should be gone period. There are plenty of coaches out there who were and are able to get to the post season Dance in a matter of a year or two, bring in a few studs and you're dancing.  Steve Lavin, Shaka Smart and many others have done so. The bottom line is that in the world of competitive college sports, you are what your record says you are. Many of us are getting on in years and would like to see a competitive team at some point in the very near future. The days of giving coaches 4 to 6 years to right a ship are long gone, especially with the outrageous salaries these coaches earn today.
 
 
Jermane Attoil post=456912 said:
 

In concept I agree with the whole plan and initial success process, but with any plan thats worth following there needs to be a time line attached. CMA is now in year three and not only has there been little progress on the ultimate goal of reaching the Dance but in fact the program has regressed somewhat this season. The days of giving a coach multiple years to right the ship are in the past. We played that game and lost which set back the program even more, thanks Norm. If Coach Anderson cannot reach the Dance within a 4 year period, he should be gone period. There are plenty of coaches out there who were and are able to get to the post season Dance in a matter of a year or two, bring in a few studs and you're dancing.  Steve Lavin, Shaka Smart and many others have done so. The bottom line is that in the world of competitive college sports, you are what your record says you are. Many of us are getting on in years and would like to see a competitive team at some point in the very near future. The days of giving coaches 4 to 6 years to right a ship are long gone, especially with the outrageous salaries these coaches earn today.
 
Yes, Seton Hall should have fired Willard after back to back 6-12 BE records in his 4th and 5th seasons, because if he couldn't get them to the Tournament by Year 5, he never will ... oh wait, ...
 
Proud Alumn post=456919 said:
Jermane Attoil post=456912 said:
 

In concept I agree with the whole plan and initial success process, but with any plan thats worth following there needs to be a time line attached. CMA is now in year three and not only has there been little progress on the ultimate goal of reaching the Dance but in fact the program has regressed somewhat this season. The days of giving a coach multiple years to right the ship are in the past. We played that game and lost which set back the program even more, thanks Norm. If Coach Anderson cannot reach the Dance within a 4 year period, he should be gone period. There are plenty of coaches out there who were and are able to get to the post season Dance in a matter of a year or two, bring in a few studs and you're dancing.  Steve Lavin, Shaka Smart and many others have done so. The bottom line is that in the world of competitive college sports, you are what your record says you are. Many of us are getting on in years and would like to see a competitive team at some point in the very near future. The days of giving coaches 4 to 6 years to right a ship are long gone, especially with the outrageous salaries these coaches earn today.
 
Yes, Seton Hall should have fired Willard after back to back 6-12 BE records in his 4th and 5th seasons, because if he couldn't get them to the Tournament by Year 5, he never will ... oh wait, ...
That argument and the one for Jay Wright is getting old and was some time ago. The salaries back then are not what they are now nor was the urgency to get you team to post season play. As I’ve stated, the right coach should not take multiple years to find success in todays college hoops landscape. 
 
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Proud Alumn post=456919 said:
Jermane Attoil post=456912 said:
 

In concept I agree with the whole plan and initial success process, but with any plan thats worth following there needs to be a time line attached. CMA is now in year three and not only has there been little progress on the ultimate goal of reaching the Dance but in fact the program has regressed somewhat this season. The days of giving a coach multiple years to right the ship are in the past. We played that game and lost which set back the program even more, thanks Norm. If Coach Anderson cannot reach the Dance within a 4 year period, he should be gone period. There are plenty of coaches out there who were and are able to get to the post season Dance in a matter of a year or two, bring in a few studs and you're dancing.  Steve Lavin, Shaka Smart and many others have done so. The bottom line is that in the world of competitive college sports, you are what your record says you are. Many of us are getting on in years and would like to see a competitive team at some point in the very near future. The days of giving coaches 4 to 6 years to right a ship are long gone, especially with the outrageous salaries these coaches earn today.
 
Yes, Seton Hall should have fired Willard after back to back 6-12 BE records in his 4th and 5th seasons, because if he couldn't get them to the Tournament by Year 5, he never will ... oh wait, ...

I think the frustration on this board stems from 20 years of very bad to mediocre at best basketball.  Had we had a few successful years in there where we made the semis of the BE or won a game or two in the tournament then 5-6 years for MA seems reasonable, assuming you see some progression in results.   If we are wrong again then we are looking at 25 years of bad basketball AND starting all over again.  I think that is why fans are looking for some improved results in the short term.  As you can see from Shaka, it is possible to pull together at least one good year without waiting.  Also, prior to 2000, for the most part SJU basketball was highly competitive, so the last 20 years feels like an eternity of bad basketball.
 
 
Is shoulding on people anything like cursing the darkness instead of lighting a candle?
 
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