What if Ponds leaves?

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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=283984]Yes sorry I didn't clarify...without Ponds I don't see how we aren't finishing 8th, 9th, or 10th in conference. I want to be hopeful about as badly as anyone else, but at a certain point when the results are consistently poor, you come to expect more of the same.

If Ponds comes back and we still finish bottom 3 that's even more damning an indictment on staff. Either way, I really hope Mullin leaves and we can thank him for trying but it clearly will never work if we are bottom 3 again.[/quote]

But where do you stand on Mullin? I only read your last 100 posts where you repeat each time how awful he is. Should I go back and read your first 50 posts, just in case I missed something you haven't said over and over?
 
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I think we finish first or second next year and make the BE championship game with him. Seeded third in tournament. Eventually lose to a worse team that has size.

7th if he leaves.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=283991]I think we finish first or second next year and make the BE championship game with him. Seeded third in tournament. Eventually lose to a worse team that has size.

7th if he leaves.[/quote]

I just don't see this happening with the current coaching staff.
 
Ray Morgan and others who applauded his Post , stay united against the Nay Sayers who have thrown Kryptonite against Coach Mullin and the Team, which is shaping up nicely for 2018 Season . Not the doom and gloom that the loud minority proclaim is coming .
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=283985][quote="Mike Zaun" post=283984]Yes sorry I didn't clarify...without Ponds I don't see how we aren't finishing 8th, 9th, or 10th in conference. I want to be hopeful about as badly as anyone else, but at a certain point when the results are consistently poor, you come to expect more of the same.

If Ponds comes back and we still finish bottom 3 that's even more damning an indictment on staff. Either way, I really hope Mullin leaves and we can thank him for trying but it clearly will never work if we are bottom 3 again.[/quote]

But where do you stand on Mullin? I only read your last 100 posts where you repeat each time how awful he is. Should I go back and read your first 50 posts, just in case I missed something you haven't said over and over?[/quote]

No one is forcing you to read them unless there's a guy holding you hostage which I doubt. This is a forum, all you have to do is scroll past. For every Mullin critic on this board there are at least 3 who would never want him to leave no matter what. If you're going to say one POV is repetitive, then also say the other is as well. It goes both ways. If I have to be the blunt one to say the emperor has no clothes then so be it. I want Mullin to succeed but if he continues to bring us bottom feeder results I want him gone. Only here is that a radical concept.
 
I agree with you , Mike Zaun . I would ask you and the others who don’t like what I post to not read them . I would ask the 103 people who thanked me for my posts to continue to read and I appreciate their support . . 2018 is looking good in my view. And, don’t reply with hostility if you don’t like that . There are way more folks on here that remain optimistic the Team results are changing for the better .
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=283996]Ray Morgan and others who applauded his Post , stay united against the Nay Sayers who have thrown Kryptonite against Coach Mullin and the Team, which is shaping up nicely for 2018 Season . Not the doom and gloom that the loud minority proclaim is coming .[/quote]
“Call to arms” lol
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=283984]Yes sorry I didn't clarify...without Ponds I don't see how we aren't finishing 8th, 9th, or 10th in conference. I want to be hopeful about as badly as anyone else, but at a certain point when the results are consistently poor, you come to expect more of the same.

If Ponds comes back and we still finish bottom 3 that's even more damning an indictment on staff. Either way, I really hope Mullin leaves and we can thank him for trying but it clearly will never work if we are bottom 3 again.[/quote]
Mike, it wasn't that you weren't clear; it was that I didn't read it clearly. I was still working on my first cup of coffee when I read your post. Mea culpa.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=283991]I think we finish first or second next year and make the BE championship game with him. Seeded third in tournament. Eventually lose to a worse team that has size.

7th if he leaves.[/quote]

I’m not quite that optimistic if Ponds stays but it’s possible. All things would have to chime like a ‘good’ perfect storm. But never say never. Hope you’re right LJSA and hope that NCAA loss is no worse than in the Sweet 16.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=283997][quote="Ray Morgan" post=283985][quote="Mike Zaun" post=283984]Yes sorry I didn't clarify...without Ponds I don't see how we aren't finishing 8th, 9th, or 10th in conference. I want to be hopeful about as badly as anyone else, but at a certain point when the results are consistently poor, you come to expect more of the same.

If Ponds comes back and we still finish bottom 3 that's even more damning an indictment on staff. Either way, I really hope Mullin leaves and we can thank him for trying but it clearly will never work if we are bottom 3 again.[/quote]

But where do you stand on Mullin? I only read your last 100 posts where you repeat each time how awful he is. Should I go back and read your first 50 posts, just in case I missed something you haven't said over and over?[/quote]

No one is forcing you to read them unless there's a guy holding you hostage which I doubt. This is a forum, all you have to do is scroll past. For every Mullin critic on this board there are at least 3 who would never want him to leave no matter what. If you're going to say one POV is repetitive, then also say the other is as well. It goes both ways. If I have to be the blunt one to say the emperor has no clothes then so be it. I want Mullin to succeed but if he continues to bring us bottom feeder results I want him gone. Only here is that a radical concept.[/quote]

You can be a bit repetitive, but the folks who are truly trying to silence you and a few others are the main one's who hated/bashed Lavin for less infractions. Their defensive mechanisms are coming out and they're now projecting their personality on to folks who are questioning Mullin's effort. They've hitched their wagon to Mullin due to their loathing of Lavin, so they're now lashing out or insulting others (but will deflect and feign victim when they receive the same as they're giving) who have a different viewpoint.

The thing is a handful here who has a different viewpoint aren't doing it per conjecture or subjectivity. It's done via logical thinking and factual info. No one here, other than POSSIBLY the two fans who was pining for Rick Pitino, is rooting against Mullin. It's a figment of two or three posters imagination because they're petty and silly individuals. Several here would just like for him to pull his weight and put more effort into recruiting, and, of course, win ball games. If he can't or won't attempt to do the former, then we have every right to wonder or question if he can consistently do the latter. They go hand-in-hand and it'll eventually manifest itself, as I've stated previously.

I expect to have a decent-to-good season if Ponds return, but here also lies the problem. Why are we so dependent on one player returning or not? Short-term, per Ponds returning, I expect a good season. Long-term, whether Ponds return or not, I don't have any confidence that we'll right the ship based on things I've heard from reputable people.

I, along with other critical folks, hope to be proven wrong.
 
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I know it's been said over and over again, but adding another big I think would pretty much guarantee us a NCAA BID. Without one it's 70/30. I like that make up of this years team but without another big, Josh Roberts becomes our most important player off the bench. Not bashing the staff as this is the most talented team they have put together since they have been here and with Caraher and Wright waiting in the wings the talent is there to be competitive even past next season but to not bring in another big is very big miss.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=283979]To Mr. No Class of 72,

I choose to be positive until proven wrong, rather than to be negative, like the many losers on this board, and be proven wrong.[/quote]
So because a good number of us aren't looking at this team through rose-colored glasses -- especially if Ponds doesn't return -- and are concerned about the lack of depth at the 5 given what a bad rebounding team we were last year, we're losers? Realists maybe, but losers? (And for the record, I'm sure all the posters you're calling losers will be rooting their butts off for this team next season.)
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=283976]FWIW, the Athletic did an eval of every player who declared for the draft this AM. Here is the eval on Ponds, though it doesn't really contain anything we don't already know.

Shamorie Ponds | 6-0, G | St. John’s | 20 years old
Agent: No
Projected draft slot: second round to undrafted
Key stats: 21.6 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 4.7 APG, 42.0/25.3/85.7
Comment: One of the tougher evals in this class, Ponds is about as creative a lead guard scorer as you’ll find — and as volcanic a college scorer as you’ll find. You want to see a couple of ridiculous performances? Watch him carve up Duke and send them spiraling into a zone defense for the rest of the year, or against Marquette when he popped off for 44 points. He uses his body in unique ways to create space for himself inside at the rim, where he finished at a 56.4 percent clip in half-court settings despite being 6-foot with shorter arms. His crossover is also lightning quick, and he knows how to change pace to control his defender and get him off balance. It’s worth noting his defense is pretty rough at the point of attack, and his lack of length will likely make him a magnet for switches and mismatches at the next level. But the biggest key to his potential as an NBA player is clearly the jump shot. He hit only 25 percent of his 3s this year, a number that likely understates his shooting ability because of the shot selection and shot difficulty he often undertakes. But is it good enough for him to consistently knock down shots at an above-average clip from NBA range, something that will be essential for him as a bench scorer at the next level? Probably not quite yet. Additionally, the strength of this lead guard class doesn’t help him. It might behoove him to return to St. John’s, potentially be the Big East Player of the Year (something he’ll likely be favored to win next season), and try his luck next year.[/quote]

Is the Athletic worth it? I know its not a lot of money but its having another subscription for something. Do you enjoy it I guess?
 
[quote="redken" post=284005][quote="AlBovino" post=283979]To Mr. No Class of 72,

I choose to be positive until proven wrong, rather than to be negative, like the many losers on this board, and be proven wrong.[/quote]
So because a good number of us aren't looking at this team through rose-colored glasses -- especially if Ponds doesn't return -- and are concerned about the lack of depth at the 5 given what a bad rebounding team we were last year, we're losers? Realists maybe, but losers? (And for the record, I'm sure all the posters you're calling losers will be rooting their butts off for this team next season.)[/quote]
Hit that out of the park Ken!
 
[quote="Moose" post=284007]
Is the Athletic worth it? I know its not a lot of money but its having another subscription for something. Do you enjoy it I guess?[/quote]

Yes. Good content/columnists on the hockey side, for sure.
 
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Zach. Who knows father well responded to the post noted above(

“His father told me nothing has changed. It's about opportunity to work out for teams”
 
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