What happened to Simon

Simon was the primary defender on Howard tonight. Howard had 3 field goals, all while being defended by other players. So it's fair to say Simon completely locked down the leading candidate for BE POY tonight.
 
[quote="41ndone" post=320671]Simon was the primary defender on Howard tonight. Howard had 3 field goals, all while being defended by other players. So it's fair to say Simon completely locked down the leading candidate for BE POY tonight.[/quote]

Amazing how the great Wojo couldn’t get a better matchup for Howard especially against a team that switches on everything.
 
[quote="SJU1512" post=320041]Simon is in a funk but it's been 4 games. Through the first 6 conference games he was averaging 15/6/5/2 shooting 49% from the field. We probably don't beat Georgetown without him (42 minutes, 14/9/6 on 64% shooting), he was a primary reason we should have beaten SHU and did beat Marq (defensive effort on Powell and Howard respectively), and he along with Figgy tried just the two of them to beat DePaul without Ponds or a coaching staff (39 minutes, 20/4/7 and 5 steals on 63% shooting).

There is no doubt that he has had 4 very bad games in a row and that has created a very real challenge for the lineup and rotation. But it's not like he's struggled all year, again look back at his first half of January or so stats above. There are maybe 20 teams in the country who don't need that kind of production let alone at that kind of efficiency, and SJU is certainly not one of those teams as we may well find out next year. Let's hope that's not the case.

Agree with much of what was said previously in thread regarding Heron/Figgy taking over some of what Simon did so well last year and earlier this. I don't think it's a complete coincidence that as Heron has emerged from his funk Simon has gone into one. While all slightly different offensively (especially re: 3pt shooting), there is definitely enough overlap particularly from a slashing perspective to create some confusion and awkwardness and you can see that play out in games. While Simon/Figgy seem to feed off of one another a bit, it's rare that all 3 are going well in the same game let alone at the same time.

More important however is that I don't recall last year opposing coaches just not guarding Simon at all outside of 10 feet, perhaps because he was more of a primary scoring option. That's almost all that's happening now, and seems to have had the effect of Simon actually spending more time at the 3 point line left alone. As others have noted, he's not being as selective this year, and I think part of that is that there is only so many times you can catch it wide open and not shoot.

Part of this is on Simon to stay disciplined as he has taken quite a few ill-advised shots of late, both from 3 and resulting from wild drives. But also on the staff to put him in a position to catch the ball at the 3 line less, particularly in the corners where he seems to be so frequently. At the top and from the wing Simon has been so effective previously finding driving lanes and getting to rim in 1-2 dribbles, more challenging with the baseline operating as a second defender and when they are daring you to shoot. The amount of time he is catching the ball there is hurting Simon, hurting the offense, and frankly is likely hurting Ponds because so often that is where Simon's man is going.

Whatever it is we certainly need him to get back on track, and perhaps a marquee assignment with Howard tomorrow night will be what doctor ordered. Sometimes defense-first guys can get going offensively by getting challenged and competing on the other end.[/quote]

This post should be on the front page of Redmen.com. Great stuff
 
Feather duster yesterday, peacock today! I was also impressed to see Simon keep his composure when I certainly would've lost it late in the game when they were making a run and he traveled to turn it over in a key spot. He looked at the ref, simply nodded very businesslike and ran back to defend. Great kid. I'd be more like Lou Piniella which would surprise zero of you.
 
As I’ve stated for two years, Simon is a stretch-four. When he plays like one we are just better and when he’s evaluated under that lense his entire game looks better. I was really impressed with him passing up shots late and deferring to Ponds. Some may call it being hesitant, but that’s just smart basketball. We wouldn’t have won if he took those shots or drove instead of Ponds. Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time because he takes your best option away from you...why on Earth would we voluntarily do that by not living and dying with Ponds every possession late?

Every time Simon stands flat-footed in the perimeter he is making the game easier for the opponent. Him cutting makes defenses uneasy and creates space. He’s a catch and finish player. I’d happily give him 12 shots a game in the paint and even run the offense through him in the post for stretches.
 
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[instagram][/instagram][quote="thetux1" post=320636]8-11 no 3 pt attempts. I think he got the message[/quote]

What message and who sent it?
 
[quote="Marillac" post=320688]As I’ve stated for two years, Simon is a stretch-four. When he plays like one we are just better and when he’s evaluated under that lense his entire game looks better. I was really impressed with him passing up shots late and deferring to Ponds. Some may call it being hesitant, but that’s just smart basketball. We wouldn’t have won if he took those shots or drove instead of Ponds. Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time because he takes your best option away from you...why on Earth would we voluntarily do that by not living and dying with Ponds every possession late?

Every time Simon stands flat-footed in the perimeter he is making the game easier for the opponent. Him cutting makes defenses uneasy and creates space. He’s a catch and finish player. I’d happily give him 12 shots a game in the paint and even run the offense through him in the post for stretches.[/quote]
Hes not a stretch 4 just stop it. Stretch 4s dont guard PGs out on the perimeter for 90% of the game. He is one of those guys who doesnt really have a position. He is a great athlete but not quite skilled enough to be a pure guard and definitely not a big. If I had to give him a 'position' he is a swingman or small forward who has a streaky outside shot. He is a jack of all trades master of none and a great on ball defender on D. Great weapon to have on any team.
 
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[quote="Dan V" post=320692][quote="Marillac" post=320688]As I’ve stated for two years, Simon is a stretch-four. When he plays like one we are just better and when he’s evaluated under that lense his entire game looks better. I was really impressed with him passing up shots late and deferring to Ponds. Some may call it being hesitant, but that’s just smart basketball. We wouldn’t have won if he took those shots or drove instead of Ponds. Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time because he takes your best option away from you...why on Earth would we voluntarily do that by not living and dying with Ponds every possession late?

Every time Simon stands flat-footed in the perimeter he is making the game easier for the opponent. Him cutting makes defenses uneasy and creates space. He’s a catch and finish player. I’d happily give him 12 shots a game in the paint and even run the offense through him in the post for stretches.[/quote]
Hes not a stretch 4 just stop it. Stretch 4s dont guard PGs out on the perimeter for 90% of the game. He is one of those guys who doesnt really have a position. He is a great athlete but not quite skilled enough to be a pure guard and definitely not a big. If I had to give him a 'position' he is a swingman or small forward who has a streaky outside shot. He is a jack of all trades master of none and a great on ball defender on D. Great weapon to have on any team.[/quote]

Offense and defense are very different for some players....Simon is one. Clark essentially plays SG for us...does that make him one? Of course not.

As for Justin’s defense, I disagree slightly. I think Justin is a great overall defender (and rebounder). I think he is just okay on-the ball in spite of his success against Howard. He defends shooters well, but he gets taken off the bounce routinely by good drivers. He’s awesome defending the paint.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=320684][quote="SJU1512" post=320041]Simon is in a funk but it's been 4 games. Through the first 6 conference games he was averaging 15/6/5/2 shooting 49% from the field. We probably don't beat Georgetown without him (42 minutes, 14/9/6 on 64% shooting), he was a primary reason we should have beaten SHU and did beat Marq (defensive effort on Powell and Howard respectively), and he along with Figgy tried just the two of them to beat DePaul without Ponds or a coaching staff (39 minutes, 20/4/7 and 5 steals on 63% shooting).

There is no doubt that he has had 4 very bad games in a row and that has created a very real challenge for the lineup and rotation. But it's not like he's struggled all year, again look back at his first half of January or so stats above. There are maybe 20 teams in the country who don't need that kind of production let alone at that kind of efficiency, and SJU is certainly not one of those teams as we may well find out next year. Let's hope that's not the case.

Agree with much of what was said previously in thread regarding Heron/Figgy taking over some of what Simon did so well last year and earlier this. I don't think it's a complete coincidence that as Heron has emerged from his funk Simon has gone into one. While all slightly different offensively (especially re: 3pt shooting), there is definitely enough overlap particularly from a slashing perspective to create some confusion and awkwardness and you can see that play out in games. While Simon/Figgy seem to feed off of one another a bit, it's rare that all 3 are going well in the same game let alone at the same time.

More important however is that I don't recall last year opposing coaches just not guarding Simon at all outside of 10 feet, perhaps because he was more of a primary scoring option. That's almost all that's happening now, and seems to have had the effect of Simon actually spending more time at the 3 point line left alone. As others have noted, he's not being as selective this year, and I think part of that is that there is only so many times you can catch it wide open and not shoot.

Part of this is on Simon to stay disciplined as he has taken quite a few ill-advised shots of late, both from 3 and resulting from wild drives. But also on the staff to put him in a position to catch the ball at the 3 line less, particularly in the corners where he seems to be so frequently. At the top and from the wing Simon has been so effective previously finding driving lanes and getting to rim in 1-2 dribbles, more challenging with the baseline operating as a second defender and when they are daring you to shoot. The amount of time he is catching the ball there is hurting Simon, hurting the offense, and frankly is likely hurting Ponds because so often that is where Simon's man is going.

Whatever it is we certainly need him to get back on track, and perhaps a marquee assignment with Howard tomorrow night will be what doctor ordered. Sometimes defense-first guys can get going offensively by getting challenged and competing on the other end.[/quote]

This post should be on the front page of Redmen.com. Great stuff[/quote]

Glad to see Justin answer the recent criticism with a resounding performance, the first half being maybe the best he's played in an SJU uniform.

To get 19 on 8-11 (3-3 from line) while playing 40 minutes, most of it locking up Howard, is just insanity.

Good job not just by Simon but by staff. You could just tell from the start conversations were had about him going back to being decisive and getting to that 5-10 foot tranche off the dribble where he's so dangerous and can elevate over other guards and/or non-athletes like the Hauser brothers.

Simon caught the ball standing in a corner last night where he can be more easily neutralized maybe 2-3x the entire game, where as it was probably closer to double digits each of the last 4-5 games. Good job by the staff putting him in position to succeed and Simon delivering.

Simon may be the best on-ball defender SJU has had since Barkley, which is saying something given how Paris Horne could square people up. He doesn't just slow lead guards down, he destroys them. It took Howard two games against Simon to get to his single-game average. Wings that can match Simon's athleticism aside, there might not be a guard 6'4" or under in the country that Simon can't chew up.

We should be hoping we are lucky enough that Simon returns to SJU for his 5th year. We should have 6 BE wins including Seton Hall, and we don't win 3 of those games without Simon. 50% not easy to come by.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=320695][quote="Dan V" post=320692][quote="Marillac" post=320688]As I’ve stated for two years, Simon is a stretch-four. When he plays like one we are just better and when he’s evaluated under that lense his entire game looks better. I was really impressed with him passing up shots late and deferring to Ponds. Some may call it being hesitant, but that’s just smart basketball. We wouldn’t have won if he took those shots or drove instead of Ponds. Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time because he takes your best option away from you...why on Earth would we voluntarily do that by not living and dying with Ponds every possession late?

Every time Simon stands flat-footed in the perimeter he is making the game easier for the opponent. Him cutting makes defenses uneasy and creates space. He’s a catch and finish player. I’d happily give him 12 shots a game in the paint and even run the offense through him in the post for stretches.[/quote]
Hes not a stretch 4 just stop it. Stretch 4s dont guard PGs out on the perimeter for 90% of the game. He is one of those guys who doesnt really have a position. He is a great athlete but not quite skilled enough to be a pure guard and definitely not a big. If I had to give him a 'position' he is a swingman or small forward who has a streaky outside shot. He is a jack of all trades master of none and a great on ball defender on D. Great weapon to have on any team.[/quote]

Offense and defense are very different for some players....Simon is one. Clark essentially plays SG for us...does that make him one? Of course not.

As for Justin’s defense, I disagree slightly. I think Justin is a great overall defender (and rebounder). I think he is just okay on-the ball in spite of his success against Howard. He defends shooters well, but he gets taken off the bounce routinely by good drivers. He’s awesome defending the paint.[/quote]
Clark plays like a stretch 4, he spaces the floor on offense and guards bigs and rebounds on D, he doesnt play like a SG. Its a combination of both (O and D) that ends up determining what position a guy plays. If anything defense is more important in assigning positions. Clark is better at defending the paint than the perimeter so despite being a shooter he is a forward. Simon can guard all over thats why I say he is positionless, but if neccessary to assign him a position he is a wing. He is a better perimeter defender than down low I dont think thats even an argument.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=320688]As I’ve stated for two years, Simon is a stretch-four. When he plays like one we are just better and when he’s evaluated under that lense his entire game looks better. I was really impressed with him passing up shots late and deferring to Ponds. Some may call it being hesitant, but that’s just smart basketball. We wouldn’t have won if he took those shots or drove instead of Ponds. Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time because he takes your best option away from you...why on Earth would we voluntarily do that by not living and dying with Ponds every possession late?

Every time Simon stands flat-footed in the perimeter he is making the game easier for the opponent. Him cutting makes defenses uneasy and creates space. He’s a catch and finish player. I’d happily give him 12 shots a game in the paint and even run the offense through him in the post for stretches.[/quote]

Idk about “stretch” 4 because to me that means you stretch the defense out by forcing them to guard your 4 on the perimeter. That’s not the case. Regardless, you and I have both been shouting to take him off the perimeter for a long time and regardless of true position titles I think it’s 100% certain that he is more forward than guard. The Pointer role has always been perfect. And I love Justin Simon!
 
Love him, I guess he reads Redmen.com, my next topic should be what happened to Marvin Clark!!!!!!:)
 
SJU1512 wrote: We should be hoping we are lucky enough that Simon returns to SJU for his 5th year. We should have 6 BE wins including Seton Hall, and we don't win 3 of those games without Simon. 50% not easy to come by.

I've been saying for a while that Justin is our most important 2019 recruit (unless we are lucky enough to nab Precious of course).
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=320713]SJU1512 wrote: We should be hoping we are lucky enough that Simon returns to SJU for his 5th year. We should have 6 BE wins including Seton Hall, and we don't win 3 of those games without Simon. 50% not easy to come by.

I've been saying for a while that Justin is our most important 2019 recruit (unless we are lucky enough to nab Precious of course).[/quote]

He’s our most important 2019 recruit if he wants to play in the paint, post, and cut. He’s not our most important recruit if he wants to be a guard.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=320713]SJU1512 wrote: We should be hoping we are lucky enough that Simon returns to SJU for his 5th year. We should have 6 BE wins including Seton Hall, and we don't win 3 of those games without Simon. 50% not easy to come by.

I've been saying for a while that Justin is our most important 2019 recruit (unless we are lucky enough to nab Precious of course).[/quote]

I second that last sentence.
 
I'm so glad he got coordinated in a couple of days.
 
[quote="Knight" post=320733]I'm so glad he got coordinated in a couple of days.[/quote]

Ummm...he passed up every long shot and drive all game. He scored in the paint. That’s his skill set. Did you listen on the radio?
 
[quote="Marillac" post=320736][quote="Knight" post=320733]I'm so glad he got coordinated in a couple of days.[/quote]

Ummm...he passed up every long shot and drive all game. He scored in the paint. That’s his skill set. Did you listen on the radio?[/quote]

Lol. Watched the game. His FT shooting looked pretty good (3 / 3) and he shot 8 / 11 from the field. I'd say scoring in the paint is something that an uncoordinated player could not do under the given circumstances.
 
[quote="Knight" post=320739][quote="Marillac" post=320736][quote="Knight" post=320733]I'm so glad he got coordinated in a couple of days.[/quote]

Ummm...he passed up every long shot and drive all game. He scored in the paint. That’s his skill set. Did you listen on the radio?[/quote]

Lol. Watched the game. His FT shooting looked pretty good (3 / 3) and he shot 8 / 11 from the field. I'd say scoring in the paint is something that an uncoordinated player could not do under the given circumstances.[/quote]

Playing in the paint is for less skilled players. You don’t need to dribble well, dribble with both hands, counter defenders, jump stop, or use several other skillls to be effective. Length, athletic ability, and a few good moves will get the job done in college.

Same goes with football. Many LBs can run with safeties but they don’t have the skills to play in space so they are moved up to LB.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=320748][quote="Knight" post=320739][quote="Marillac" post=320736][quote="Knight" post=320733]I'm so glad he got coordinated in a couple of days.[/quote]

Ummm...he passed up every long shot and drive all game. He scored in the paint. That’s his skill set. Did you listen on the radio?[/quote]

Lol. Watched the game. His FT shooting looked pretty good (3 / 3) and he shot 8 / 11 from the field. I'd say scoring in the paint is something that an uncoordinated player could not do under the given circumstances.[/quote]

Playing in the paint is for less skilled players. You don’t need to dribble well, dribble with both hands, counter defenders, jump stop, or use several other skillls to be effective. Length, athletic ability, and a few good moves will get the job done in college.

Same goes with football. Many LBs can run with safeties but they don’t have the skills to play in space so they are moved up to LB.[/quote]

I remember Simon in close and shooting a hook shot over smaller defenders after dribbling and a 3-point shot that looked good, but was waved off. Come on, uncoordinated comment was unwarranted.
 
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