I’m not poo pooing on Dunn.. but Curbelo is a whole different animal. That’s all I’m saying.
We can do percentages all day, but when you’ve actually seen the footage of him from high school, frosh year, and soph year… you see the difference.
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We can do percentages all day, but when you’ve actually seen the footage of him from high school, frosh year, and soph year… you see the difference.
MakingPlays
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You are 100% correct.
As a big Dunn fan, and a guy that use to take heat for always riding with him through his mistakes, this is not even a debate. In Dunn's prime as a 5th year senior he was at best the 3rd or 4th best player on a NIT level team. Curberlo just as a freshman, was the 3rd best player on a top 10 team with National Championship aspirations, that's why he was voted as a pre-season all American. There's levels to this game, there's a reason why every single analyst has him as an impact player and a top 10 transfer, Dunn last year didn't even make any top 100 transfer list, none of the guys that transferred from here did.
Monte, I posted many times how much I appreciated Dunn's passion and energy, but I inevitably cringed (and sometimes screamed at the TV) when he had the ball and the clock -- be it shot clock or especially game clock -- was ticking down. Pretty sure Curbelo will do better.
Ken did you actually watch Curbelo last season? Because if you did, then you must have been scratching your head a lot at his decision making. Clearly he has more natural ability then Rasheem, but let's see which Curbelo shows up next season before making proclamations about how good he's going to be , that's all I'm saying.
Curbelo is obviously a higher rated player. That said, the question Monte raises is not at all absurd. Personally, I expect Curbelo will be a better scorer based on his mid range game. His court vision and passing are extremely strong and probably his two best attributes. I think he will probably serve-up a few easy dunks per game for our big men. That said, Rasheem was damn quick to the basket and he might actually be a better defender. I think the two players can be equally infuriating. As Illinois fans will tell you....bonehead plays come with the highlights.
I loved Curbelo coming out of high school and admit I would have easily chose him over Posh. However, the question is...will Curbelo tap into that ridiculous potential? It's exciting because his ceiling is definitely high.
I loved Curbelo coming out of high school and admit I would have easily chose him over Posh. However, the question is...will Curbelo tap into that ridiculous potential? It's exciting because his ceiling is definitely high.
I think that’s fair as it relates to stats. Curbelo has to reign in the turnovers. I believe Curbelo has more upside but only time will tell.
L J S A
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I really like all the guys posting about this, but I think it's insane we are even listing Dunn in the same breath as Curbelo.
Dunn was a combo frequently forced to do an impersonation of a point guard for us out of necessity. Curbelo is the most talented natural point guard we've had here in a while.
Dunn was a combo frequently forced to do an impersonation of a point guard for us out of necessity. Curbelo is the most talented natural point guard we've had here in a while.
action jackson
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I get it- u made your point all last year about our shortcomings and ended up being right on the majority of it.. but comparing Dunn(who’s hustle and heart I loved btw) to Curbelo? You are embarrassing yourself. Stop while you are ahead. These are really positive moves Anderson is making this off-season and is a shooter and big away from having a potential top 4 big east team. Let’s enjoy the good news when we get it for once.
Really wanted Curbelo out of high school. Was very impressed with his freshman season at Illinois. I realize he got covid and suffered a concussion last season and missed a lot of games but when he came back I saw a lot of turnovers which resulted from some wild attempts at passing and a lack of ability to finish at the rim which also afflicted many of our players last season. When you ask if I actually saw him play (I know you asked redken and not me) I would say it was hard to because he got taken out of the games and benched a lot because of the poor play I described. I believe he is an immensely talented kid that played too much out of control when he came back towards the end of last season and my fervent hope is CMA can reign him in a bit and he returns to the form he showed as a HS player and as a freshman 2 years ago which would make him a tremendous asset for St. John's.
Also possible post-concussive syndromes as well as post-covid stuff effected all that. It happens to a lot of people. Hopefully time off to heal up physically and mentally as well as a change of scenery will give us his best version.
Guys are really misinterpreting Montes point, and he himself said he wasn’t saying Dunn was better.
I'm embarrassing myself? i ain't getting in to a back and forth with some keyboard big mouth, but the points I'm making and the "wait and see" approach I'm talking are based in fact. Not just from watching Curbelo, but from observations from professionals who watched him more then I did. I'm not knocking the kid, and I've said a number of times that he's a great pick up, but he's got a fair amount of flaws(look it up if you care to) in his game that will hopefully be corrected next season.
Thanks Amase. As is usually the ca
Correct Amase, thanks. Dunn had limited upside, but played about as well as could have been expected based on his abilities. Curbelo, OTOH, has a lot of upside but has yet to fulfill his potential. Hopefully he does next season with a new coach and in a new system. .
Monte wrote:
Correct Amase, thanks. Dunn had limited upside, but played about as well as could have been expected based on his abilities. Curbelo, OTOH, has a lot of upside but has yet to fulfill his potential. Hopefully he does next season with a new coach and in a new system. .
Few things sadder than potential unfulfilled. I am betting that between wanting to prove the critics wrong and firm coaching from CMA, Curbelo will have a breakout year.
Correct Amase, thanks. Dunn had limited upside, but played about as well as could have been expected based on his abilities. Curbelo, OTOH, has a lot of upside but has yet to fulfill his potential. Hopefully he does next season with a new coach and in a new system. .
Few things sadder than potential unfulfilled. I am betting that between wanting to prove the critics wrong and firm coaching from CMA, Curbelo will have a breakout year.
Larry Wright
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Again not to go off tracks on these threads but just don’t understand the unwavering Anderson support. Last year he did as bad a job as anyone not named Norm Roberts that I have seen here.
If I was related to CMA, I'd probably be constantly posting the same positive things as the handful of posters who do lol
To the extent LW's post was directed at me, my support for CMA is not unwavering. As I've said more than once last season was a bad year for him. On the other hand, he did an excellent job the year before and a decent job his first year. I do like him and am rooting for him to succeed but also agree that if we don't dance in year 4, his seat should be white hot. I tend to support the coach until it's crystal clear it won't work. I supported Mullin for first 3 and a half seasons, but was happy to see him leave because by the 4th year it was clear he wouldn't put in the time needed to succeed as a college coach. Anyway, back to Curbelo.