Villanova- Game 2

[redfan259999888]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[beast of the east]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

 

[SI1996]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

I love the posts Beast but you do realize who your trying to reason with? Impossibly task.

 

[redfan259999888]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

So tell me beast, what happened between up until 13minutes left, when we were down only 4, and the last 13minutes when they outscored us by 33?
Why were we in it for the first 27minutes

If they were far superior to us without Chris then they should have been up by 20 at halftime.
Guess they were toying with us until 13minutes to go, then they got serious huh?

I just don't get how it went so bad, so fast.

 

[SI1996]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

So tell me beast, what happened between up until 13minutes left, when we were down only 4, and the last 13minutes when they outscored us by 33?
Why were we in it for the first 27minutes

If they were far superior to us with Chris then they should have been up by 20 at halftime.
Guess they were toying with us until 13minutes to go, then they got serious huh?

I just don't get how it went so bad, so fast.

Personally, I removed my medium t-shirt and realized that we have bigger games ahead.

 

[paultzman]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

So tell me beast, what happened between up until 13minutes left, when we were down only 4, and the last 13minutes when they outscored us by 33?
Why were we in it for the first 27minutes

If they were far superior to us without Chris then they should have been up by 20 at halftime.
Guess they were toying with us until 13minutes to go, then they got serious huh?

I just don't get how it went so bad, so fast.

Occasionally the Christians gave the lions some resistance, but usually they ran out of gas & loin cloths with about 13 minutes or so to go. It can happen.

 

[Redmen88]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

We did an awesome job playing with Nova shorthanded for a half. It started to slip away, and I was not surprised, early in the 2nd half. Once it started slipping the team started tossing up 3's to try to stay in it. The lead grew and they kind of gave up. Then Lavin gave up and subbed out. They just had a great 10 game run and they just ran out of gas. They also knew they were playing with house money and when it was obvious the game was out of hand they exhaled and Nova jumped all over us, like any potential 1 seed would.

In order to beat a team of that caliber we have to play out best. We can't get in foul trouble and we have to hope that if collapse on their bigs that they miss some 3's. I fell like we can beat them but if we played them 10 times they would beat us 8 of them. We only need 1 though. Best of luck guys!!!

 

[simplyred]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

So tell me beast, what happened between up until 13minutes left, when we were down only 4, and the last 13minutes when they outscored us by 33?
Why were we in it for the first 27minutes

If they were far superior to us without Chris then they should have been up by 20 at halftime.
Guess they were toying with us until 13minutes to go, then they got serious huh?

I just don't get how it went so bad, so fast.

Do you understand that everyone on the board understands your point? They did somewhere around the 50th time you posted it. Some just take a different position. Are you going to restate it each time a different poster expresses theirs, in an attempt to covert everyone to your side?

 

[redfan259999888]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

So tell me beast, what happened between up until 13minutes left, when we were down only 4, and the last 13minutes when they outscored us by 33?
Why were we in it for the first 27minutes

If they were far superior to us without Chris then they should have been up by 20 at halftime.
Guess they were toying with us until 13minutes to go, then they got serious huh?

I just don't get how it went so bad, so fast.

Occasionally the Christians gave the lions some resistance, but usually they ran out of gas & loin cloths with about 13 minutes or so to go. It can happen.

I can see outscored maybe 15-20 when running out of gas, but by 33????????? Jesus christ :huh:

 

[redfan259999888]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

So tell me beast, what happened between up until 13minutes left, when we were down only 4, and the last 13minutes when they outscored us by 33?
Why were we in it for the first 27minutes

If they were far superior to us without Chris then they should have been up by 20 at halftime.
Guess they were toying with us until 13minutes to go, then they got serious huh?

I just don't get how it went so bad, so fast.

Do you understand that everyone on the board understands your point? They did somewhere around the 50th time you posted it. Some just take a different position. Are you going to restate it each time a different poster expresses theirs, in an attempt to covert everyone to your side?

Hey Red, when I see people constantly making excuses for Villanova spanking us by 37pnts, giving up 105pnts, and giving up lay-ups and dunks, like it's ok because they are this great powerful team, it makes me sick. It will never be ok.
When people stop their excuses then I'll stop my crap.

 

[paultzman]

First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in.

Having said that, I think a two-minute stretch early in the second half when the Nova lead went from 3 to 14 is a microcosm of everything that is right with Nova and wrong with us. Each play in that sequence, Nova spread its guards around the perimeter and put Pinkston (later Ochefu) down on the block. The ball started in a corner and swung around the perimeter until it got dumped down to the block. The spacing and ball movement were both outstanding. If we left the big man singled up, it was an easy 2 (especially playing without a big man). If we sent help, it left an open 3.

There are a few takeaways from that. For one, that Nova is a well-coached team that has an excellent idea of what it wants to do in the halfcourt, identifies and takes advantage of opponent weaknesses, and executes beautifully. For another, the team has been constructed to fit the approach, with two solid big men and a whole bunch of guards who can shoot.

By contrast, in the same stretch where Nova was executing play after play on the offensive end, every time Nova scored whichever one of our players got the ball on the inbounds would dribble up the floor and jack up a 3 (all of which missed). From there, it was on to blowout city.

I think that depending on matchups, St John's may make a good run in the NCAAs. We will be a tough matchup for most teams due to our athleticism, and we have been able to handle teams with less-skilled bigs (Josh Smith, Stainbrook).

However, I do think that the Nova game shows you the difference between where we are and what a sustainably good basketball program looks like.

I should never say that I'll stop posting for a few days, because I read the board then it ache's me to respond.

"]First off, let's not overreact to the Nova loss. There's a reason they are the #4 team in the country and we are unranked. We played without Obekpa and Branch, the game was at Nova, and it was Senior Night for them. Plus, Nova is a bad matchup for us for reasons discussed below. The line on the game was Nova -12.5. So while the enthusiasm of our fan base was understandable given our recent play, this wasn't a particularly winnable game going in."

Law, yes they are the #4 team in the country while we were unranked, yes we played without chris and jamal, yes the game was at nova, no, I heard senior night was before SJU's game, yes they are a bad matchup."
But, are those all excuses for giving up 105pnts, are those excuses for all those dunks and layups? Why not plaint 3 bigs down low, so when their bigs come, you can deny the layup/dunk, hell let them hit their jump shots and threes, just don't come down low or you're going on your asses. Guess I'm a throwback to Oakley and Mason, if you come in the lane then you'll go down.
Again, it's not winning or losing, it's the way we lost. We were in till about 13minutes left without Chris and Jamal, so what all of a sudden changed? They decided to go inside?
Then why didn't they do that all game, they would have whooped us by 70pnts.

Sorry to keep harping on it, but there's no excuse to give up 105, sorry. I don't care if they're the #4 team. Playing hard on def should be to hard to do. Unless they just gave up on the defensive side of the ball.

Did you watch the game? We had no one who could stop their bigs. Christian Jones, JDR, Amar were all way over their heads playing against Nova's front line. Nova's front line is bigger, quicker, more athletic, and flat out better basketball players than those 3. Our best hope when we play them is to be at full strength, execute a great game, and not get into foul trouble.

It doesn't matter what common sense anyone posts. You jsut don't pay attention, and keep posting nonsense

So tell me beast, what happened between up until 13minutes left, when we were down only 4, and the last 13minutes when they outscored us by 33?
Why were we in it for the first 27minutes

If they were far superior to us without Chris then they should have been up by 20 at halftime.
Guess they were toying with us until 13minutes to go, then they got serious huh?

I just don't get how it went so bad, so fast.

Do you understand that everyone on the board understands your point? They did somewhere around the 50th time you posted it. Some just take a different position. Are you going to restate it each time a different poster expresses theirs, in an attempt to covert everyone to your side?

Hey Red, when I see people constantly making excuses for Villanova spanking us by 37pnts, giving up 105pnts, and giving up lay-ups and dunks, like it's ok because they are this great powerful team, it makes me sick. It will never be ok.
When people stop their excuses then I'll stop my crap.

Any shot of diversifying your "crap"? The horse is quite dead man.

 

[austour]

Can I ask WTF is wrong with you people? Do you engage the street corner proselytizers as well? The angry drunks who've been attacked by aliens? I mean where do you people draw the line?

 

[ADORAZ]

We won 7 of 8 heading into this game to clinch a berth. That is a hell of a feat and we can actually watch the BET without each game being a must win for once. Nova could've beat us by 100 points and it wouldn't make a difference. Just be grateful for how well we've been playing. We're allowed to have a bad game once in a while, especially when starters are out on the road against the #4 team.

 

[simplyred]

The two losses that didn't bother me too much this year were Duke and Nova. While both would have helped us tremendously, neither one hurt us. I was more pissed about losing to Depaul, Creighton and Butler because they were more damaging to our profile.

It is never good to lose by 33 but that is just an ego thing. As far as standings and seeding, it was no worse than losing by five. If you have a few Nova friends who are needling you, be a big boy and ignore it.

 

[mattc]

The two losses that didn't bother me too much this year were Duke and Nova. While both would have helped us tremendously, neither ine hurt us. I was more pissed about losing to Depaul, Creighton and Butler because they were more damaging to our profile.

It is never good to lose by 33 but that is just an ego thing. As far as standings and seeding, it was no worse than losing by five. If you have a few Nova friends who are needling you, be a big boy and ignore it.

Duke bothered me because we should have won the game. But if I could have any two games back it would be the Creighton and Depaul losses. We'd be 23-8 (12-6).

 

[beast of the east]

We won 7 of 8 heading into this game to clinch a berth. That is a hell of a feat and we can actually watch the BET without each game being a must win for once. Nova could've beat us by 100 points and it wouldn't make a difference. Just be grateful for how well we've been playing. We're allowed to have a bad game once in a while, especially when starters are out on the road against the #4 team.

Remove 2 of Nova's top 6 players including their center. Put Branch and Obekpa back in the lineup at full strength. Replay the game on our court. Whole different game.

 

[simplyred]

We won 7 of 8 heading into this game to clinch a berth. That is a hell of a feat and we can actually watch the BET without each game being a must win for once. Nova could've beat us by 100 points and it wouldn't make a difference. Just be grateful for how well we've been playing. We're allowed to have a bad game once in a while, especially when starters are out on the road against the #4 team.

Remove 2 of Nova's top 6 players including their center. Put Branch and Obekpa back in the lineup at full strength. Replay the game on our court. Whole different game.

Don't forget to give Jay Wright a bottle of gel as he goes in at halftime.

 

[fun]

We won 7 of 8 heading into this game to clinch a berth. That is a hell of a feat and we can actually watch the BET without each game being a must win for once. Nova could've beat us by 100 points and it wouldn't make a difference. Just be grateful for how well we've been playing. We're allowed to have a bad game once in a while, especially when starters are out on the road against the #4 team.

Remove 2 of Nova's top 6 players including their center. Put Branch and Obekpa back in the lineup at full strength. Replay the game on our court. Whole different game.

Replace Lavin with Pete Carill. Replace several players with several other players. Replace the basketball with an ossified pancreas. Play the game on the Venus. Totally different outcome.

 

[JacStorm]

Can I ask WTF is wrong with you people? Do you engage the street corner proselytizers as well? The angry drunks who've been attacked by aliens? I mean where do you people draw the line?

lol! We need a new rule on the board that would be, "Don't Feed the Trolls!!"

If you starve 'em of attention they might wither away.

…but I doubt it.

 

[MJDinkins]

Can I ask WTF is wrong with you people? Do you engage the street corner proselytizers as well? The angry drunks who've been attacked by aliens? I mean where do you people draw the line?

lol! We need a new rule on the board that would be, "Don't Feed the Trolls!!"

If you starve 'em of attention they might wither away.

…but I doubt it.

This is usually what happens when previously banned posters are allowed back on. There is a reason why they were banned 20 times previously.