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[quote="Moose" post=353255]If Mike Anderson wins 65 percent of his games like he has in his career he would have the 7th highest winning percentage at SJU behind

James Freeman 9 years
Harry Fisher 1 year
Frank McGuire 5 years
Louie 24 years
Joe Lapchik 20 years
Frank Mulzoff 3 years[/quote]

In this environment you play a very soft OOC schedule, with 0 to 3 competitive games to gird yourself against a rough conference schedule. Really all that matters is a conference record. The 15 years without a losing record is not that big a deal when most good programs start the conference schedule with 11 to 14 wins.

That being said, on paper at least MA appears to be the most successful coach since umm. Lavin.
 
[quote="Adam" post=353249][quote="Beast of the East" post=353220][quote="Class of 72" post=353203]
Cragg and the CMA staff have ushered in a new era. We will be recruiting both locally and nationally.
[/quote]

I just spent three days in Columbia Missouri at the doorsteps of Mizzou. My business is with some state officials, all of which are big basketball fans, one being a long time season ticket holder. I travelled there with a co-worker from Arkansas who is a big razorbacks fan. These guys all know I went to St. John's and have season tickets for years. The Missouri people were very negative on Anderson as a coach, saying "Once he ran out of family families to recruit, he was awful". The Arkansas guy said he was a good bench coach, but couldn't recruit at a high level. All seemed to agree he is a decent coach but not a very good recruiter. So we will see I guess.[/quote]

Recruiting for the last 3 years (according to 247 composite):

Arkansas:
2018: #38 nationally
2017: #36 nationally
2016: #29 nationally
3 year avg: #34 nationally
3 year total: 7 four stars

Missouri:
2018: #59 nationally
2017: #4 nationally
2016: #68 nationally
3 year avg: #44 nationally
3 year total: 2 five stars, 3 four stars

The Missouri fans you were talking with are morons.[/quote]

How does an average of 44th best recruiting class get you a top 25 ranking considering the transfer rate?

Why did Arkansas fire him? I just think are fans have an inflated expectation of a perennial perch among the elite teams in the Big East.

Things should be much better than the last 8 seasons on coaching alone though.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=353264][quote="Adam" post=353249][quote="Beast of the East" post=353220][quote="Class of 72" post=353203]
Cragg and the CMA staff have ushered in a new era. We will be recruiting both locally and nationally.
[/quote]

I just spent three days in Columbia Missouri at the doorsteps of Mizzou. My business is with some state officials, all of which are big basketball fans, one being a long time season ticket holder. I travelled there with a co-worker from Arkansas who is a big razorbacks fan. These guys all know I went to St. John's and have season tickets for years. The Missouri people were very negative on Anderson as a coach, saying "Once he ran out of family families to recruit, he was awful". The Arkansas guy said he was a good bench coach, but couldn't recruit at a high level. All seemed to agree he is a decent coach but not a very good recruiter. So we will see I guess.[/quote]

Recruiting for the last 3 years (according to 247 composite):

Arkansas:
2018: #38 nationally
2017: #36 nationally
2016: #29 nationally
3 year avg: #34 nationally
3 year total: 7 four stars

Missouri:
2018: #59 nationally
2017: #4 nationally
2016: #68 nationally
3 year avg: #44 nationally
3 year total: 2 five stars, 3 four stars

The Missouri fans you were talking with are morons.[/quote]

How does an average of 44th best recruiting class get you a top 25 ranking considering the transfer rate?

Why did Arkansas fire him? I just think are fans have an inflated expectation of a perennial perch among the elite teams in the Big East.

Things should be much better than the last 8 seasons on coaching alone though.[/quote]
Transfer rate goes both ways no? Plus incoming transfers are not figured into recruiting class rankings.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=353263][quote="Moose" post=353255]If Mike Anderson wins 65 percent of his games like he has in his career he would have the 7th highest winning percentage at SJU behind

James Freeman 9 years
Harry Fisher 1 year
Frank McGuire 5 years
Louie 24 years
Joe Lapchik 20 years
Frank Mulzoff 3 years[/quote]

In this environment you play a very soft OOC schedule, with 0 to 3 competitive games to gird yourself against a rough conference schedule. Really all that matters is a conference record. The 15 years without a losing record is not that big a deal when most good programs start the conference schedule with 11 to 14 wins.

That being said, on paper at least MA appears to be the most successful coach since umm. Lavin.[/quote]

That’s cool. But in 8 years he was above 500 in 6 seasons in the SEC. I thought also there was some stat about him being the second most successful coach in the SEC during that time behind Cal. Maybe our Hog friends can confirm that one
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=353264][quote="Adam" post=353249][quote="Beast of the East" post=353220][quote="Class of 72" post=353203]
Cragg and the CMA staff have ushered in a new era. We will be recruiting both locally and nationally.
[/quote]

I just spent three days in Columbia Missouri at the doorsteps of Mizzou. My business is with some state officials, all of which are big basketball fans, one being a long time season ticket holder. I travelled there with a co-worker from Arkansas who is a big razorbacks fan. These guys all know I went to St. John's and have season tickets for years. The Missouri people were very negative on Anderson as a coach, saying "Once he ran out of family families to recruit, he was awful". The Arkansas guy said he was a good bench coach, but couldn't recruit at a high level. All seemed to agree he is a decent coach but not a very good recruiter. So we will see I guess.[/quote]

Recruiting for the last 3 years (according to 247 composite):

Arkansas:
2018: #38 nationally
2017: #36 nationally
2016: #29 nationally
3 year avg: #34 nationally
3 year total: 7 four stars

Missouri:
2018: #59 nationally
2017: #4 nationally
2016: #68 nationally
3 year avg: #44 nationally
3 year total: 2 five stars, 3 four stars

The Missouri fans you were talking with are morons.[/quote]

How does an average of 44th best recruiting class get you a top 25 ranking considering the transfer rate?

Why did Arkansas fire him? I just think are fans have an inflated expectation of a perennial perch among the elite teams in the Big East.

Things should be much better than the last 8 seasons on coaching alone though.[/quote]

Arkansas had the average #34 recruiting class while Missouri was #44, that was the premise of my post. Arkansas out recruited Missouri so the Missouri fans you were talking with clearly didn't know what they were talking about. Missouri did get a couple 5 star$$, however Arkansas still had better classes overall with a ton of 4 stars.

#34 would be a great average and far better than our rolling average since at least Lavin's second class. If we finish #34 any given year in NET/rankings that'd be enough to punch our ticket. The ~50 best teams get bids and #34 would translate to an 8.5 seed. If Anderson averages #34 I'd be thrilled. I don't think many have expectations significantly higher than that.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=353266][quote="Beast of the East" post=353263][quote="Moose" post=353255]If Mike Anderson wins 65 percent of his games like he has in his career he would have the 7th highest winning percentage at SJU behind

James Freeman 9 years
Harry Fisher 1 year
Frank McGuire 5 years
Louie 24 years
Joe Lapchik 20 years
Frank Mulzoff 3 years[/quote]

In this environment you play a very soft OOC schedule, with 0 to 3 competitive games to gird yourself against a rough conference schedule. Really all that matters is a conference record. The 15 years without a losing record is not that big a deal when most good programs start the conference schedule with 11 to 14 wins.

That being said, on paper at least MA appears to be the most successful coach since umm. Lavin.[/quote]

That’s cool. But in 8 years he was above 500 in 6 seasons in the SEC. I thought also there was some stat about him being the second most successful coach in the SEC during that time behind Cal. Maybe our Hog friends can confirm that one[/quote]
If I recall he has won about 55% of his conference games which is pretty good. Lavin coached here for 4 seasons, and during that time was about the same. 55% in conference (10-8) should put you on the favorable side of the bubble in the Big East most years.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=353270][quote="Moose" post=353266][quote="Beast of the East" post=353263][quote="Moose" post=353255]If Mike Anderson wins 65 percent of his games like he has in his career he would have the 7th highest winning percentage at SJU behind

James Freeman 9 years
Harry Fisher 1 year
Frank McGuire 5 years
Louie 24 years
Joe Lapchik 20 years
Frank Mulzoff 3 years[/quote]

In this environment you play a very soft OOC schedule, with 0 to 3 competitive games to gird yourself against a rough conference schedule. Really all that matters is a conference record. The 15 years without a losing record is not that big a deal when most good programs start the conference schedule with 11 to 14 wins.

That being said, on paper at least MA appears to be the most successful coach since umm. Lavin.[/quote]

That’s cool. But in 8 years he was above 500 in 6 seasons in the SEC. I thought also there was some stat about him being the second most successful coach in the SEC during that time behind Cal. Maybe our Hog friends can confirm that one[/quote]
If I recall he has won about 55% of his conference games which is pretty good. Lavin coached here for 4 seasons, and during that time was about the same. 55% in conference (10-8) should put you on the favorable side of the bubble in the Big East most years.[/quote]

Exactly. There is so much parity. Just creeping above 500 has lately been the ticket. Now with a 20 game conference schedule lets see if that changes at all.

My point was if he puts up the numbers he has put up at UAB, Missouri and Arkansas we will all be very happy. And the unhappy fans at those stops are jaded.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=353263][quote="Moose" post=353255]If Mike Anderson wins 65 percent of his games like he has in his career he would have the 7th highest winning percentage at SJU behind

James Freeman 9 years
Harry Fisher 1 year
Frank McGuire 5 years
Louie 24 years
Joe Lapchik 20 years
Frank Mulzoff 3 years[/quote]

In this environment you play a very soft OOC schedule, with 0 to 3 competitive games to gird yourself against a rough conference schedule. Really all that matters is a conference record. The 15 years without a losing record is not that big a deal when most good programs start the conference schedule with 11 to 14 wins.

That being said, on paper at least MA appears to be the most successful coach since umm. Lavin.[/quote]

You’d think more than 5 coaches would be able to make that claim then.
 
MA's 10-8 conference average is quality, but I think more important is the upside bursts and minimizing wasteland seasons.

3 times in the last 11 seasons MA has won 12 or more conference games (12-6, 13-5, 12-4). That's what SJU has largely been missing, with a single 12 conference win season in the last 19 years (Lavin's first year). That year was by far the most exciting season SJU has had since the BET Champ season, but 1 of those every ~20 years is woefully inadequate.

Couple that with the fact that MA has only had 4 losing conference seasons in 17 years, 0% of the time less than 6 wins. SJU has had 14 losing conference slates in the last 17 years, over 33% of the time (6) under 6 wins.

In what should be a slightly easier conference to compete in, if MA can have that premium season burst 1 out of every 3, make the NCAA a little better than 1 out of every 2, and avoid disaster seasons - which is approximately what he's done in his career to date - we should be in pretty good shape.
 
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[quote="SJU1512" post=353274]MA's 10-8 conference average is quality, but I think more important is the upside bursts and minimizing wasteland seasons.

3 times in the last 11 seasons MA has won 12 or more conference games (12-6, 13-5, 12-4). That's what SJU has largely been missing, with a single 12 conference win season in the last 19 years (Lavin's first year). That year was by far the most exciting season SJU has had since the BET Champ season, but 1 of those every ~20 years is woefully inadequate.

Couple that with the fact that he's only had 4 losing conference seasons in 17 years, 0% of the time less than 6 wins. SJU has had 11 losing conference slates in the last 14 years, and almost 50% of the time (6) under 6 wins.

In what should be a slightly easier conference to compete in, if MA can have that premium season burst 1 out of every 3, make the NCAA a little better than 1 out of every 2, and avoid disaster seasons - which is approximately what he's done in his career to date - we should be in pretty good shape.[/quote]

Does everyone know what BE coach has the most NCAA tournament wins? Yes its Jay Wright.

Does everyone know what BE coach has the 2nd most?
 
[quote="SJU1512" post=353274]MA's 10-8 conference average is quality, but I think more important is the upside bursts and minimizing wasteland seasons.

3 times in the last 11 seasons MA has won 12 or more conference games (12-6, 13-5, 12-4). That's what SJU has largely been missing, with a single 12 conference win season in the last 19 years (Lavin's first year). That year was by far the most exciting season SJU has had since the BET Champ season, but 1 of those every ~20 years is woefully inadequate.

Couple that with the fact that MA has only had 4 losing conference seasons in 17 years, 0% of the time less than 6 wins. SJU has had 14 losing conference slates in the last 17 years, over 33% of the time (6) under 6 wins.

In what should be a slightly easier conference to compete in, if MA can have that premium season burst 1 out of every 3, make the NCAA a little better than 1 out of every 2, and avoid disaster seasons - which is approximately what he's done in his career to date - we should be in pretty good shape.[/quote]
Spot on commentary SJU1512
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=353276][quote="SJU1512" post=353274]MA's 10-8 conference average is quality, but I think more important is the upside bursts and minimizing wasteland seasons.

3 times in the last 11 seasons MA has won 12 or more conference games (12-6, 13-5, 12-4). That's what SJU has largely been missing, with a single 12 conference win season in the last 19 years (Lavin's first year). That year was by far the most exciting season SJU has had since the BET Champ season, but 1 of those every ~20 years is woefully inadequate.

Couple that with the fact that MA has only had 4 losing conference seasons in 17 years, 0% of the time less than 6 wins. SJU has had 14 losing conference slates in the last 17 years, over 33% of the time (6) under 6 wins.

In what should be a slightly easier conference to compete in, if MA can have that premium season burst 1 out of every 3, make the NCAA a little better than 1 out of every 2, and avoid disaster seasons - which is approximately what he's done in his career to date - we should be in pretty good shape.[/quote]
Spot on commentary SJU1512[/quote]

Knew it wasn't going to be pretty, but prior to looking didn't realize the conference performance had been THAT bad. 3 winning conference records in 17 years is absolutely pathetic.

Effectively a program that has rarely had a winning conference season of late now has a coach that has rarely had a losing conference record. Overly simplistic way to look at it for sure, but when you've been this bad for this long maybe simple is a good route to go.
 
[quote="Moose" post=353275][quote="SJU1512" post=353274]MA's 10-8 conference average is quality, but I think more important is the upside bursts and minimizing wasteland seasons.

3 times in the last 11 seasons MA has won 12 or more conference games (12-6, 13-5, 12-4). That's what SJU has largely been missing, with a single 12 conference win season in the last 19 years (Lavin's first year). That year was by far the most exciting season SJU has had since the BET Champ season, but 1 of those every ~20 years is woefully inadequate.

Couple that with the fact that he's only had 4 losing conference seasons in 17 years, 0% of the time less than 6 wins. SJU has had 11 losing conference slates in the last 14 years, and almost 50% of the time (6) under 6 wins.

In what should be a slightly easier conference to compete in, if MA can have that premium season burst 1 out of every 3, make the NCAA a little better than 1 out of every 2, and avoid disaster seasons - which is approximately what he's done in his career to date - we should be in pretty good shape.[/quote]

Does everyone know what BE coach has the most NCAA tournament wins? Yes its Jay Wright.

Does everyone know what BE coach has the 2nd most?[/quote]

Of current coaches I would guess it's MA who I believe has 9. After that I would imagine it's McDermott at 3.

Another good way to look at how accomplished MA is, especially on a relative basis in current BE.
 
Zagoria
Val Ackerman says the new 12-team Big East Tournament may hold a tripleheader on Wednesday beginning in 2021 instead of the 2 games traditionally played.

Winners would advance to the quarters Thursday.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=353292]Zagoria
Val Ackerman says the new 12-team Big East Tournament may hold a tripleheader on Wednesday beginning in 2021 instead of the 2 games traditionally played.

Winners would advance to the quarters Thursday.[/quote]

12 team????
Did we add Iona?
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=353299][quote="Paultzman" post=353292]Zagoria
Val Ackerman says the new 12-team Big East Tournament may hold a tripleheader on Wednesday beginning in 2021 instead of the 2 games traditionally played.

Winners would advance to the quarters Thursday.[/quote]

12 team????
Did we add Iona?[/quote]

It was the only way to get future HOFer Cluess into the conference.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=353299][quote="Paultzman" post=353292]Zagoria
Val Ackerman says the new 12-team Big East Tournament may hold a tripleheader on Wednesday beginning in 2021 instead of the 2 games traditionally played.

Winners would advance to the quarters Thursday.[/quote]

12 team????
Did we add Iona?[/quote]

Among other things Val can't count.

Or Zags. Still applies either way
 
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