Transfers

My question with mason is if he is willing to be a 6th man (unless we play 3 guards) and can he score without as many minutes and shooting volume. He played 37.6 minutes a game and average 18.5 shots a game. He also averaged 11 ft a game which means the ball was pretty much always in his hands.

He would start at the three alongside Jordan and Harrison. He'd be one of our strongest players and he could play the four in a small lineup as well. From what I've seen of the kid, he actually doesn't have the ball in his hands anywhere near as much as you would expect from the #s. He's a slasher that just can't be kept out of the lane (see the 34 pts against SH). He seeks out contact and can finish through it...he was second in the country in FT attempts.

I don't expect anywhere near 25 a game, but 15 is a real possiblity and adding a third legit scorer would make things very tough on defenses. He's jacked...strong kid.

All that being said, there has not been any indication anywhere (other than a passing mention in an article from Feb) that he's transferring or interested in St. John's.

Correct. I am hoping if I post about it enough, it will be noticed by someone from SJU or in the Mason camp. I am not even sure the staff knew of the situation. He was quoted as saying he was interested in playing in a major conference closer to home according to the Niagara forum. I can't think of a better fit..his brother played here, he's from from Queens and New Rochelle, and his dad played at Madison Square Garden.
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw

The reality is that the program has been to the NCAA tournament once in the last ten years.
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw

Dear Rawdognyc,

I think you are completely missing the point.
3 players graduate, wonderful news.
Not 1 recruit to replace them from a staff whose strength is recruiting. You dont see a problem, that is your opinion to which you are entitled to, but I see a huge problem.
3 players have left since then. You dont see a problem, that is your opinion to which you are entitled to, but I see an even bigger problem.
There are rumours 2 key players may transfer, I am aware I said rumours, you dont see a problem, that is your opinion to which you are entitled to, but I am of the opinion that where there is smoke there is fire.
Adonis De La Rosa, I hope he commits to us, but we need a hell of a lot more than him to be competitive next season with this staff. You want to be excited about his commitment great, that is your opinion. From everything every expert has said about him he will not be able to contrinute until he is a junior.
You see white I see black.
I hope you are correct and all is well in Queens but some of us just dont share your point of view.
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw

Our arguments will absolutely be about the quality of recruits, because objectively, the quality is almost certain to be underwhelming, and embarrassing for a top-notch recruiter like Lavin when he has 6 open scholarships.
 
Can some one please recap for me.
1. Hooper will definitely transfer!!!!!!!!
2. Opekpa may transfer ( I thought I saw a recent post that he may not)????
3. Greene will probably stay, but could still transfer?
4. Harrison is staying?

Did I miss anything.
 
Can some one please recap for me.
1. Hooper will definitely transfer!!!!!!!!
2. Opekpa may transfer ( I thought I saw a recent post that he may not)????
3. Greene will probably stay, but could still transfer?
4. Harrison is staying?

Did I miss anything.

Sampson declared for the NBA draft and hired an agent. Obekpa will definitely transfer.
 
Can some one please recap for me.
1. Hooper will definitely transfer!!!!!!!!
2. Opekpa may transfer ( I thought I saw a recent post that he may not)????
3. Greene will probably stay, but could still transfer?
4. Harrison is staying?

Did I miss anything.

Sampson declared for the NBA draft and hired an agent. Obekpa will definitely transfer.

I think there is a chance Obekpa returns.
 
I think there is a chance Obekpa returns.[/quote]

If that happens...then it would officially make this the most bizarre offseason ever.
 
Can some one please recap for me.
1. Hooper will definitely transfer!!!!!!!!
2. Opekpa may transfer ( I thought I saw a recent post that he may not)????
3. Greene will probably stay, but could still transfer?
4. Harrison is staying?

Did I miss anything.

Sampson declared for the NBA draft and hired an agent. Obekpa will definitely transfer.

I think there is a chance Obekpa returns.

With his handlers? I doubt it.
Baylor or Oregon seem about right.
 
Can some one please recap for me.
1. Hooper will definitely transfer!!!!!!!!
2. Opekpa may transfer ( I thought I saw a recent post that he may not)????
3. Greene will probably stay, but could still transfer?
4. Harrison is staying?

Did I miss anything.

Sampson declared for the NBA draft and hired an agent. Obekpa will definitely transfer.

I think there is a chance Obekpa returns.

With his handlers? I doubt it.
Baylor or Oregon seem about right.

My guess is Oregon. Forget coming back.
 
Can some one please recap for me.
1. Hooper will definitely transfer!!!!!!!!
2. Opekpa may transfer ( I thought I saw a recent post that he may not)????
3. Greene will probably stay, but could still transfer?
4. Harrison is staying?

Did I miss anything.

Sampson declared for the NBA draft and hired an agent. Obekpa will definitely transfer.

I think there is a chance Obekpa returns.

I think the chances of Mason coming here are infinitely higher.
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw

Our arguments will absolutely be about the quality of recruits, because objectively, the quality is almost certain to be underwhelming, and embarrassing for a top-notch recruiter like Lavin when he has 6 open scholarships.

Desco, sounds like you've already made up your mind that any incoming recruits will be of poor quality. Not really fair to make that assessment until we see who comes in. Sounds like you've set yourself up for a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw

Our arguments will absolutely be about the quality of recruits, because objectively, the quality is almost certain to be underwhelming, and embarrassing for a top-notch recruiter like Lavin when he has 6 open scholarships.

Desco, sounds like you've already made up your mind that any incoming recruits will be of poor quality. Not really fair to make that assessment until we see who comes in. Sounds like you've set yourself up for a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Ehh, I'll have an open mind to some extent. I think there's an outsize chance a transfer could be a difference maker. But there simply aren't very good HS players left.
There could be guys that fly under the radar and end up being good players. But we're scraping the bottom of the barrel right now and hoping to get lucky.
We're seemingly stuck with projects, hoping one of them develops pretty quickly.

This isn't how it was supposed to be Tony. Lavin's ace in the hole was supposed to be recruiting.
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw

Our arguments will absolutely be about the quality of recruits, because objectively, the quality is almost certain to be underwhelming, and embarrassing for a top-notch recruiter like Lavin when he has 6 open scholarships.

I am all for quality, as long as it promotes team chemistry. UCONN won with 3 star front court, who intimidated no one, but played within a team concept. Sampson and Okekpa, didn't understand that concept. Was hoping they would in their junior years, as it takes time. I hope who ever comes in is a quick learner and understands it isn't all about them.
 
Can some one please recap for me.
1. Hooper will definitely transfer!!!!!!!!
2. Opekpa may transfer ( I thought I saw a recent post that he may not)????
3. Greene will probably stay, but could still transfer?
4. Harrison is staying?

Did I miss anything.

Sampson declared for the NBA draft and hired an agent. Obekpa will definitely transfer.

I think there is a chance Obekpa returns.
I thaught CO was a gonner. What makes you say he may return. If no one else leaves, the crazy thing is if CO stays and we get ADR and JCtransfer from Westchester we maybe good next year. But Lavin has to start stocking for the future also.
 
There may actually be a difference between what posters on this board know or claim to know and what in fact is. Lavin saying his '14 recruiting was locked up and that he was focused on '15 and '16 now may have been hoohah or it may be that he has a plan where he gets ADR and Thomas, and some one year graduate eligible, and then still goes in to '15 and '16 with schollies in his pocket. What is making me even crazier than usual is the posters who keep repeatedly cursing the darkness they associate with Lavin when in fact what they may be cursing is their own ignorance.
 
There may actually be a difference between what posters on this board know or claim to know and what in fact is. Lavin saying his '14 recruiting was locked up and that he was focused on '15 and '16 now may have been hoohah or it may be that he has a plan where he gets ADR and Thomas, and some one year graduate eligible, and then still goes in to '15 and '16 with schollies in his pocket. What is making me even crazier than usual is the posters who keep repeatedly cursing the darkness they associate with Lavin when in fact what they may be cursing is their own ignorance.

Lavin said a few months ago that he was going to sign 3-4 recruits this spring.
 
Niagara University was 3 wins and 17 losses this season in the rugged MAAC with an overall record of 7 wins and 26 losses.

The fact that StJohns fans are pinning hopes for a transfer from a 7 and 26 Niagara team is by itself telling.

Why waste your time? I'm still not convinced he is even a St Johns fan to be honest

Hey Raw,
Let me get this right; you believe that it is not telling of a poor direction that that this late in the recruiting cycle, the StJohns men's basketball program with 3 graduating seniors and 3 transfers departing from this season's roster StJohns does not have a single recruit on board for next year?

If your answer is "yes" then I question whether you are "even a St Johns fan to be honest" (your phrase).

Hey Oates,

Do you think my opinion is based solely on your original post? The three graduating seniors is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the state of the program other then it looks good academically that our players graduate. We were only going to be filling one of those players shoes anyway and we had Christian Jones for that. Next, Sampson was leaving no matter the state of the program. Win or lose he has higher aspirations for himself. Max Hooper leaving is because his best friend left and he was on the pine most of the time here. Why would he stay? We only signed him to close the Karr signing here deal anyway. Anyone that thought otherwise was fooling themselves. Lastly Chris Obekpa. The boy that refused to go back into our most important game of the season. You think it was just his decision to leave the program? Believe me it was more then mutual, hence the reason they let him go without restrictions other than another BE school. Today we will get a verbal from a recruit who we want at this point to help replace some of CO's minutes. There will also be other recruits over the next few weeks that will choose St Johns and your argument of not having ANY recruits will be the QUALITY of the recruits. Cuz that's what you do. No matter what, you'll find anything to put down the program.

Regards,

Raw

Our arguments will absolutely be about the quality of recruits, because objectively, the quality is almost certain to be underwhelming, and embarrassing for a top-notch recruiter like Lavin when he has 6 open scholarships.

Desco, sounds like you've already made up your mind that any incoming recruits will be of poor quality. Not really fair to make that assessment until we see who comes in. Sounds like you've set yourself up for a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Ehh, I'll have an open mind to some extent. I think there's an outsize chance a transfer could be a difference maker. But there simply aren't very good HS players left.
There could be guys that fly under the radar and end up being good players. But we're scraping the bottom of the barrel right now and hoping to get lucky.
We're seemingly stuck with projects, hoping one of them develops pretty quickly.

This isn't how it was supposed to be Tony. Lavin's ace in the hole was supposed to be recruiting.

I hear you, Desco. And I fully understand keeping an open mind is a challenge these days. I'm just going to reserve judgment until I see who comes in. Then I'll form my own opinion. Less stressful that way. ;)
 
Funny thing is, I think things are going according to plan---other than for the Obekpa transfer. ADR was supposed to come is as CO's backup. It was known that Sampson was leaving. Max is not a surprise, and his contribution won't be difficult to replace. One can disagree with Lavin's plans for this year, but I don't think we are far from where he thought we would be.

Unfortunately, fans are up in arms due to the disappointment over how things have gone. I was as big a CO fan as anyone on here. I love his shot blocking ability and thought he would become a better all around defender. One thing I have no tolerance for is insuordination and quitting on your teammates. If he, in fact, refused to re-enter the PC game, good riddance. I'll take the 10 fouls that the Delarosa brothers will give us over having that kind of player on my team.

As for the Dlo transfer rumors, the only thing I saw was a tweet from someone in Houston suggesting that he should go back home to play for Kelvin Sampson. Was there any indication that Dlo was thinking about transferring?
 
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