Transfers SJU May Get Involved With

[fun]

This outright bad language is absolutely crude and should not be tolerated. Why are the moderators allowing this?

I'll take this one.

On this site I once quoted a post that dropped an F bomb and asked whether swearing was permitted. Because I like to swear and would have been happy to have been permitted to do so. My post, which quoted the F bomb, was deleted and a secret vote was held to ban me from this site because I had sworn. The original post, which contained the F bomb, was not deleted. Today I dropped an F bomb in a post directed towards a poster who referred to yours truly as "Fck face Fun." My post dropping an F bomb in response to being called "Fck face Fun" was deleted, but the post calling me "Fck face Fun" was not deleted.

And the moral is: there have to be rules, and some of them have to be enforced, but not always.

 

[Class of 72]

This outright bad language is absolutely crude and should not be tolerated. Why are the moderators allowing this?

I'll take this one.

On this site I once quoted a post that dropped an F bomb and asked whether swearing was permitted. Because I like to swear and would have been happy to have been permitted to do so. My post, which quoted the F bomb, was deleted and a secret vote was held to ban me from this site because I had sworn. The original post, which contained the F bomb, was not deleted. Today I dropped an F bomb in a post directed towards a poster who referred to yours truly as "Fck face Fun." My post dropping an F bomb in response to being called "Fck face Fun" was deleted, but the post calling me "Fck face Fun" was not deleted.

And the moral is: there have to be rules, and some of them have to be enforced, but not always.

And the moral of the story is you should not plagiarize the F word in your response to the original poster.
Also, you are welcome to swear at, and with me, like a drunken sailor and would welcome said swearing via personal message. Regretfully I missed your retort. Knowing how thick skinned and musically talented you are, I dedicate this song to you and Mrs. Fun Thelma Lou.

 

[Class of 72]

BTW, today this thread broke the 1K response record in 30 days. Well, I'm not sure if it was a record but that the subject was "Transfers SJU May Get Involved With" which is a purely hypothetical thread, shows how desperate fans have become in our quest for new players.

 

[Andrew]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Prison is pretty diverse too, but I wouldn't want to spend four years there.

Seriously and no offense intended but have you ever been off Long Island? Queens is awful and Jamaica makes Raleigh look like Paris.

I didn't realize you were up near Albany. I thought you lived somewhere nice.

 

[Red.Fans]

I'm feeling a little claustrophobic right now with all the [URL][URL]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-women-who-live-together-menstruate-together/[/URL][/URL]]McClintock effect [/url]going on. please guys tone it down go run around the block or get some sunlight.

 

[sjc88]

The idea that SJU can't compete for recruits because of the campus or no mountains or whatever is downright stupid. Sure there are some kids who want an idyllic setting in the mountains somewhere. However, we all know kids go to and choose schools for many varied reasons. If the original argument were true the University of Hawaii would be the top ranked program in the country. It is not. St. John's has trouble recruiting right now because we haven't done one thing and that is WIN. We have been a poorly run organization at least athletically for quite some time. Bad coaching hires, frequent turnover that has led to empty recruiting years etc.

I am sure we have a lot to sell in that we are located in the greatest city in the world with many opportunities during and after school. We just need to make sure we have the right people selling the vision.

I agree. Although the aesthetics might be an initial attraction, college becomes what it is - school. My daughter recently graduated from Penn State - a great campus and the quintessential college town. After a very short "honeymoon' it quickly becomes "been there done that".

If we win, we will turn it around...if we don't , it'll be more of the same. Hence, year 3 is critical.

Well Section 3 we have something in common as my son graduated from Penn State last year. All that means is that my money went to Penn State. I am sure you noticed the Bryce Jordan Center. Beautiful arena on a very nice campus. Yet the Basketball program is nothing special. A winning St. John's team in NY would create a buzz that would go a long way to help recruiting. We just need to convince enough players that it is possible and would be special.

 

[paultzman]

@GoodmanESPN
Iowa state has landed UTSA grad transfer Jeff Beverly, source told ESPN.

 

[austour]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

I expect Marvin Clark to be a nice little player for us but let's be clear, contrary to what many posters have stated recently, he was not a top 100 recruit and was rated 3 stars by most services including ESPN and Rivals.

Yet Izzo thought enough of him to give him a schollie.

Just stating facts. Another one is that Mullin is no Izzo, since you brought him up.

 

[L J S A]

@GoodmanESPN
Iowa state has landed UTSA grad transfer Jeff Beverly, source told ESPN.

I'm not sure he averages more than 8 and 4, but we sure as hell could have used that 8 and 4.

 

[bamafan]

This outright bad language is absolutely crude and should not be tolerated. Why are the moderators allowing this?

I'll take this one.

On this site I once quoted a post that dropped an F bomb and asked whether swearing was permitted. Because I like to swear and would have been happy to have been permitted to do so. My post, which quoted the F bomb, was deleted and a secret vote was held to ban me from this site because I had sworn. The original post, which contained the F bomb, was not deleted. Today I dropped an F bomb in a post directed towards a poster who referred to yours truly as "Fck face Fun." My post dropping an F bomb in response to being called "Fck face Fun" was deleted, but the post calling me "Fck face Fun" was not deleted.

And the moral is: there have to be rules, and some of them have to be enforced, but not always.

Moral is if you spell the F-bomb Fck you will be alright. :dry:

 

[OLV72]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

I expect Marvin Clark to be a nice little player for us but let's be clear, contrary to what many posters have stated recently, he was not a top 100 recruit and was rated 3 stars by most services including ESPN and Rivals.

Yet Izzo thought enough of him to give him a schollie.

Just stating facts. Another one is that Mullin is no Izzo, since you brought him up.

True....but he did not become the Izzo we know right out of the gate. After his first two seasons Izzo built an NIT team. It's hard to say if would turned this around in year two...or year one of a complete roster turnover.

 

[logen]

Not to be even more of a downer, but right now don't we only have 9 eligible scholarship players for next year? Are we not at least a little worried about injury, foul trouble, the odd midseason defection/expulsion? There has to be a grad transfer out there that would want to play in the big east east and get an advanced degree on us. We could use bodies regardless of position.

Don't you get it? We aren't supposed to be concerned. If we don't get another recruit everything will be ok.
That's what many posters say.

Actually, don't you get it; almost universally posters would like to get another recruit; I don't know anyone who has posted otherwise. It is just some of us don't think this pervasive "end of the world" scenario is valid. Personally, I don't think the snide and snarky comments about Matt A. are appropriate; the guy has recruited some real talent here against tremendous odds in a very short time. I personally think we are going to be VERY GOOD next year, a tournament team and anyone who knows my posting I am far from a rosy eyed optimist. And that is regardless of whether we sign another "big" for no other reason than to sign one as many want to do. Not sure why my opinion is less valid than yours since yours is based on a lot of 'maybes"; maybe we have injuries, maybe someone is ineligible, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum. Not arrogantly saying I am right but that is my belief; I have no problem playing small, I will take talent over size any day and I think we have seven talented players and hopefully Yakwe makes the jump many people think he is capable of, and I mean people not associated with the program. I think Ponds and Lovett and possibly Ahmed make serious improvements after getting a year under their belts; history tells us talented players make that leap between freshman and sophomore years and both obviously have very real talent. As I said we shall see.....................[/quote

I agree with you with the exception of Matt recruiting some talent since he has been here. He is doing what he has been hired to do. I would not want him to recruit non talent. I understand recruiting is difficult here all knew but he has not recruited a game changer yet,perhaps he will Also, Mitch has he been influential in getting us anyone ? Not trying to be picky but we all long for some action

Tough to answer that; Ponds has no talent? Lovett? Ahmed / Owens? You expect Simon and Clark to be devoid of talent? If you expected Matt to recruit "game changers" at this stage of the game I expect you intend on winning the lottery to cover your retirement. Like it or not, SJU is not a destination for many "game changers", especially at this time.

 

[Alex9045]

I think we're really over estimating just how much we need a big bruiser inside. I like our frontcourt of Owens, Clark, Yawke and Ahmed.

Owens foul trouble was due to the backcourts lack of defensive principles and having to attempt blocking players getting to the lane. That will improve. Especially with Simon. Yawke, in no way, shape or form will have a similar season to least year. Clark and Ahmed will fight for boards. These guys aren't very tall but they are built like bulls.

The Big East as a conference lacks a lot of front court strength​. The last two teams​ I remember with any serious frontcourt presence were the 2016 Wildcats with Ochefu and Xavier, boasting Farr and Reynolds down low. Maybe Delgado and Spellman change that this year.

Let's worry about competing in our conference first before we discuss the national picture. I think with this roster in place we can finish in the top half of the league next year. Once we start winning the roster needs will be addressed much easier.

 

[cappy105]

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

 

[Class of 72]

:huh:

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

Cappy, some posters here haven't visited the campus in many years and some just like to shit on the school every chance they get. Baldi made Johnny Jungle unreadable because of his trolling.
I'm one of the most liberal posters here and poke fun at our basketball foibles when necessary but I've lived in 3 college towns that have high Division 1 programs and none have any significant advantages as far as location. Some campuses are so remote it takes a charter to fly direct. Columbia University, one of the "world's" great universities, is located in one of the crappiest neighborhoods in NYC. NYU has no campus, just city streets.
Basketball players are hoops junkies. They are attracted by everything "hoops". They are not interested in mountain views, hiking trails, or whether the school has a Phi Beta Kappa history. Unless some have not been paying attention here, even 5'10 guards like Marcus Lovett, 6'6 projects like Malik Ellison and Williams, who has had more surgery than Frankenstein, want playing time and exposure.
If they feel the coaching staff and the makeup of the team will not offer them opportunity they will leave or will not come.
The biggest gamble with an inexperienced and losing record staff is the bug put in the ears of recruits by competing schools.
Pay attention to Syracuse. If they start losing more or fail to make post season, especially after Boeheim, it is going to get harder to get players to attend. Up until recently the location and weather have not held the Orange back. Start losing on a yearly basis and you will get the St. John's situation.

 

[Class of 72]

@GoodmanESPN
Iowa state has landed UTSA grad transfer Jeff Beverly, source told ESPN.

I'm not sure he averages more than 8 and 4, but we sure as hell could have used that 8 and 4.

The kid wanted Iowa State from day one. Why we even tried to schedule a visit shows that our current strategy of throwing spaghetti against the wall lacks some focus. Once Sima left and Zach Brown showed no interest in school there should have been one goal only. We have a great nucleus of a team but not one player that has the ability or desire to play the 5 in certain matchups. Our only hope seems to be that Owens will be eating double portions of chicken fried steak, lasagna and pecan pie.

 

[Andrew]

:huh:

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

Cappy, some posters here haven't visited the campus in many years and some just like to shit on the school every chance they get. Baldi made Johnny Jungle unreadable because of his trolling.
I'm one of the most liberal posters here and poke fun at our basketball foibles when necessary but I've lived in 3 college towns that have high Division 1 programs and none have any significant advantages as far as location. Some campuses are so remote it takes a charter to fly direct. Columbia University, one of the "world's" great universities, is located in one of the crappiest neighborhoods in NYC. NYU has no campus, just city streets.
Basketball players are hoops junkies. They are attracted by everything "hoops". They are not interested in mountain views, hiking trails, or whether the school has a Phi Beta Kappa history. Unless some have not been paying attention here, even 5'10 guards like Marcus Lovett, 6'6 projects like Malik Ellison and Williams, who has had more surgery than Frankenstein, want playing time and exposure.
If they feel the coaching staff and the makeup of the team will not offer them opportunity they will leave or will not come.
The biggest gamble with an inexperienced and losing record staff is the bug put in the ears of recruits by competing schools.
Pay attention to Syracuse. If they start losing more or fail to make post season, especially after Boeheim, it is going to get harder to get players to attend. Up until recently the location and weather have not held the Orange back. Start losing on a yearly basis and you will get the St. John's situation.

The area around Columbia was never even close to being one of the worst neighborhoods in NYC. It has now been "gentrified" and is pretty nice.

 

[beast of the east]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

 

[stjohnschris]

:huh:

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

Cappy, some posters here haven't visited the campus in many years and some just like to shit on the school every chance they get. Baldi made Johnny Jungle unreadable because of his trolling.
I'm one of the most liberal posters here and poke fun at our basketball foibles when necessary but I've lived in 3 college towns that have high Division 1 programs and none have any significant advantages as far as location. Some campuses are so remote it takes a charter to fly direct. Columbia University, one of the "world's" great universities, is located in one of the crappiest neighborhoods in NYC. NYU has no campus, just city streets.
Basketball players are hoops junkies. They are attracted by everything "hoops". They are not interested in mountain views, hiking trails, or whether the school has a Phi Beta Kappa history. Unless some have not been paying attention here, even 5'10 guards like Marcus Lovett, 6'6 projects like Malik Ellison and Williams, who has had more surgery than Frankenstein, want playing time and exposure.
If they feel the coaching staff and the makeup of the team will not offer them opportunity they will leave or will not come.
The biggest gamble with an inexperienced and losing record staff is the bug put in the ears of recruits by competing schools.
Pay attention to Syracuse. If they start losing more or fail to make post season, especially after Boeheim, it is going to get harder to get players to attend. Up until recently the location and weather have not held the Orange back. Start losing on a yearly basis and you will get the St. John's situation.

The area around Columbia was never even close to being one of the worst neighborhoods in NYC. It has now been "gentrified" and is pretty nice.

Very true...it's probably been 25 or 30 years since that neighborhood (Morningside Heights) could be considered "bad." It's still one of the top hoods for rats, but otherwise, it's a really nice urban campus environment. I'm up there about once or twice a month for work. Agree with Cappy that all of the "campus sucks" and "Queens sucks" talk is a bit annoying. I understand it's an opinion (not my opinion), and that's what a lot of this board exists for, but I just don't think the look and feel of the campus is any part of the reason why recruits aren't coming here. We haven't been a winning program in ages, and we have a high profile but unproven coaching staff. There's number one and two, and whatever reason number 3 is, it's largely irrelevant if we are winning. We are a risk right now, and we can only hope that more players like Ponds look at SJU as a great opportunity to be part of something special, a complete rebuild.

And like it was mentioned earlier, you don't have to leave the conference to find some pretty ugly schools...Xavier, DePaul, Butler, Providence....

 

[Knight]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Jamaica campus has improved dramatically since I attended. Anyone have pictures to post?