Transfers SJU May Get Involved With

[bamafan]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Money raised and money saved on the basketball program.

 

[monte]

:huh:

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

Cappy, some posters here haven't visited the campus in many years and some just like to shit on the school every chance they get. Baldi made Johnny Jungle unreadable because of his trolling.
I'm one of the most liberal posters here and poke fun at our basketball foibles when necessary but I've lived in 3 college towns that have high Division 1 programs and none have any significant advantages as far as location. Some campuses are so remote it takes a charter to fly direct. Columbia University, one of the "world's" great universities, is located in one of the crappiest neighborhoods in NYC. NYU has no campus, just city streets.
Basketball players are hoops junkies. They are attracted by everything "hoops". They are not interested in mountain views, hiking trails, or whether the school has a Phi Beta Kappa history. Unless some have not been paying attention here, even 5'10 guards like Marcus Lovett, 6'6 projects like Malik Ellison and Williams, who has had more surgery than Frankenstein, want playing time and exposure.
If they feel the coaching staff and the makeup of the team will not offer them opportunity they will leave or will not come.
The biggest gamble with an inexperienced and losing record staff is the bug put in the ears of recruits by competing schools.
Pay attention to Syracuse. If they start losing more or fail to make post season, especially after Boeheim, it is going to get harder to get players to attend. Up until recently the location and weather have not held the Orange back. Start losing on a yearly basis and you will get the St. John's situation.

The area around Columbia was never even close to being one of the worst neighborhoods in NYC. It has now been "gentrified" and is pretty nice.

While certainly not one of the worst neighborhoods in NYC, the area around Columbia was pretty bad going back to the 70's and 80's, which is about as far back as I go. While slightly further south, some of you may remember Larry Hogue aka with Wildman of 96th street. When the company that I then worked for opened The Columbia Condominiums on 96th and Broadway in the mid-80's, we could barely give the apartments away. The entire area has been undergoing a renaissance since then partly because all of NYC has, but also because Columbia bought up, and upgraded, much of the real estate within a reasonable radius over the past number of years.

 

[Sjugrad13]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Jamaica campus has improved dramatically since I attended. Anyone have pictures to post?

If you mind me asking, when did you attend? I graduated in 2013, I just want to see the gap in which I'm dealing with. Sidenote : I dormed all 4 years at SJU. Donvon hall is the worst dorm, but the townhouses are fantastic.

 

[Class of 72]

:huh:

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

Cappy, some posters here haven't visited the campus in many years and some just like to shit on the school every chance they get. Baldi made Johnny Jungle unreadable because of his trolling.
I'm one of the most liberal posters here and poke fun at our basketball foibles when necessary but I've lived in 3 college towns that have high Division 1 programs and none have any significant advantages as far as location. Some campuses are so remote it takes a charter to fly direct. Columbia University, one of the "world's" great universities, is located in one of the crappiest neighborhoods in NYC. NYU has no campus, just city streets.
Basketball players are hoops junkies. They are attracted by everything "hoops". They are not interested in mountain views, hiking trails, or whether the school has a Phi Beta Kappa history. Unless some have not been paying attention here, even 5'10 guards like Marcus Lovett, 6'6 projects like Malik Ellison and Williams, who has had more surgery than Frankenstein, want playing time and exposure.
If they feel the coaching staff and the makeup of the team will not offer them opportunity they will leave or will not come.
The biggest gamble with an inexperienced and losing record staff is the bug put in the ears of recruits by competing schools.
Pay attention to Syracuse. If they start losing more or fail to make post season, especially after Boeheim, it is going to get harder to get players to attend. Up until recently the location and weather have not held the Orange back. Start losing on a yearly basis and you will get the St. John's situation.

The area around Columbia was never even close to being one of the worst neighborhoods in NYC. It has now been "gentrified" and is pretty nice.

Very true...it's probably been 25 or 30 years since that neighborhood (Morningside Heights) could be considered "bad." It's still one of the top hoods for rats, but otherwise, it's a really nice urban campus environment. I'm up there about once or twice a month for work. Agree with Cappy that all of the "campus sucks" and "Queens sucks" talk is a bit annoying. I understand it's an opinion (not my opinion), and that's what a lot of this board exists for, but I just don't think the look and feel of the campus is any part of the reason why recruits aren't coming here. We haven't been a winning program in ages, and we have a high profile but unproven coaching staff. There's number one and two, and whatever reason number 3 is, it's largely irrelevant if we are winning. We are a risk right now, and we can only hope that more players like Ponds look at SJU as a great opportunity to be part of something special, a complete rebuild.

And like it was mentioned earlier, you don't have to leave the conference to find some pretty ugly schools...Xavier, DePaul, Butler, Providence....

Some fans here who knock Queens would  probably be surprised to learn that of the 20 safest neighborhoods in New York, the borough of Queens actually leads the pack with 9 neighborhoods, Manhattan has 6 (including 3 out of the 5 safest neighborhoods), the Bronx has 4, and Brooklyn has only 1 neighborhood that ranks.

There are few neighborhoods I do not feel safe walking in during the day. The neighborhood around St. John's is one of the safest in the city.  Downtown Jamaica may be an exception at night but there are schools that are literally less than a 15 minute walk to some high crime areas with Columbia and Fordham being near the top of the list.

Here are the neighborhoods you have to be careful, especially women, at night:

 Manhattan- East Harlem, El Barrio, Spanish Harlem, Washington Heights, LES on Ave D and Madison/Rutgers street projects.

Brooklyn- Brownsville, East NY, Coney Island(just in the projects), Bed-Stuy

The Bronx- South Bronx area (Hunts Point, Mott haven...) University Heights, Highbridge

Queens- Jamaica, Rockaway

Read more:http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...orst-neighborhoods-nyc-new.html#ixzz4gDiQoGTZ

 

[cappy105]

:huh:

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

Cappy, some posters here haven't visited the campus in many years and some just like to shit on the school every chance they get. Baldi made Johnny Jungle unreadable because of his trolling.
I'm one of the most liberal posters here and poke fun at our basketball foibles when necessary but I've lived in 3 college towns that have high Division 1 programs and none have any significant advantages as far as location. Some campuses are so remote it takes a charter to fly direct. Columbia University, one of the "world's" great universities, is located in one of the crappiest neighborhoods in NYC. NYU has no campus, just city streets.
Basketball players are hoops junkies. They are attracted by everything "hoops". They are not interested in mountain views, hiking trails, or whether the school has a Phi Beta Kappa history. Unless some have not been paying attention here, even 5'10 guards like Marcus Lovett, 6'6 projects like Malik Ellison and Williams, who has had more surgery than Frankenstein, want playing time and exposure.
If they feel the coaching staff and the makeup of the team will not offer them opportunity they will leave or will not come.
The biggest gamble with an inexperienced and losing record staff is the bug put in the ears of recruits by competing schools.
Pay attention to Syracuse. If they start losing more or fail to make post season, especially after Boeheim, it is going to get harder to get players to attend. Up until recently the location and weather have not held the Orange back. Start losing on a yearly basis and you will get the St. John's situation.

true and agree, but we still have NYC and MSG, others don't

 

[Knight]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Jamaica campus has improved dramatically since I attended. Anyone have pictures to post?

If you mind me asking, when did you attend? I graduated in 2013, I just want to see the gap in which I'm dealing with. Sidenote : I dormed all 4 years at SJU. Donvoun hall is the worst dorm, but the townhouses are fantastic.

Class of 1973

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Mullin
Berry
Mark
Jackson
Malik Sealy
Jayson Williams
Felipe Lopez
Zendon Hamilton
Ron Artest
And I believe
Singleton
Glover
Cain
Posters - more knowledgeable than I - can add many more NY kids who played in Queens

And now S'hampton Ponds
Some kids will stay right here in NYC
No forcing
No fretting

We only need one local
Player a year plus one " outsider"
It's doable!

all the best
WTS
( and the T stands for...)

 

[Andrew]

:huh:

i am sick of all the SJU campus sucks talk. If its about campus or location how do all the other schools get quality recruits? Just look at our own conference: Creighton, nice campus in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Providence-no better than St Johns, DePaul- NYC or Chicago, same, Seton Hall- better than St Johns?, GTown- NYC or DC, same, Nova- nice campus but ultimately they get advantage for being a constant winner, Xavier- better than SJU, don't think so, Butler- *see Creighton.Marquette- middle of nowhere. So, how are we getting out recruited ? This is only our conference. What we need to remember is we have things here that other schools don't. We have a rich basketball history, we have the big market of NYC, we have HOF players as coaches and Mullin used to be a GM, we have international campuses, players will play with seasoned and talented guards, and most importantly, we play half our games in The Mecca. The Greatest Arena in Sports. Oh did I mention playing time? Come on, it can't be that hard to sell. Is it me?

Cappy, some posters here haven't visited the campus in many years and some just like to shit on the school every chance they get. Baldi made Johnny Jungle unreadable because of his trolling.
I'm one of the most liberal posters here and poke fun at our basketball foibles when necessary but I've lived in 3 college towns that have high Division 1 programs and none have any significant advantages as far as location. Some campuses are so remote it takes a charter to fly direct. Columbia University, one of the "world's" great universities, is located in one of the crappiest neighborhoods in NYC. NYU has no campus, just city streets.
Basketball players are hoops junkies. They are attracted by everything "hoops". They are not interested in mountain views, hiking trails, or whether the school has a Phi Beta Kappa history. Unless some have not been paying attention here, even 5'10 guards like Marcus Lovett, 6'6 projects like Malik Ellison and Williams, who has had more surgery than Frankenstein, want playing time and exposure.
If they feel the coaching staff and the makeup of the team will not offer them opportunity they will leave or will not come.
The biggest gamble with an inexperienced and losing record staff is the bug put in the ears of recruits by competing schools.
Pay attention to Syracuse. If they start losing more or fail to make post season, especially after Boeheim, it is going to get harder to get players to attend. Up until recently the location and weather have not held the Orange back. Start losing on a yearly basis and you will get the St. John's situation.

The area around Columbia was never even close to being one of the worst neighborhoods in NYC. It has now been "gentrified" and is pretty nice.

While certainly not one of the worst neighborhoods in NYC, the area around Columbia was pretty bad going back to the 70's and 80's, which is about as far back as I go. While slightly further south, some of you may remember Larry Hogue aka with Wildman of 96th street. When the company that I then worked for opened The Columbia Condominiums on 96th and Broadway in the mid-80's, we could barely give the apartments away. The entire area has been undergoing a renaissance since then partly because all of NYC has, but also because Columbia bought up, and upgraded, much of the real estate within a reasonable radius over the past number of years.

My brother went to Columbia in the mid 80's and while certainly not as nice as it is today, I enjoyed going there. Maybe that's because I played high school basketball in many of the city gyms in the Bronx at that time.

 

[RipDumaine 132]

Is S'hampton Ponds, 6'9 235 :cheer: I kid I kid

 

[beast of the east]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Mullin
Berry
Mark
Jackson
Malik Sealy
Jayson Williams
Felipe Lopez
Zendon Hamilton
Ron Artest
And I believe
Singleton
Glover
Cain
Posters - more knowledgeable than I - can add many more NY kids who played in Queens

And now S'hampton Ponds
Some kids will stay right here in NYC
No forcing
No fretting

We only need one local
Player a year plus one " outsider"
It's doable!

all the best
WTS
( and the T stands for...)

Many great players came back after they found the grass wasn't greener somewhere else:

Searcy
Carter (HAWAII!!!)
Rencher

tons more.

 

[Knight]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Mullin
Berry
Mark
Jackson
Malik Sealy
Jayson Williams
Felipe Lopez
Zendon Hamilton
Ron Artest
And I believe
Singleton
Glover
Cain
Posters - more knowledgeable than I - can add many more NY kids who played in Queens

And now S'hampton Ponds
Some kids will stay right here in NYC
No forcing
No fretting

We only need one local
Player a year plus one " outsider"
It's doable!

all the best
WTS
( and the T stands for...)

Many great players came back after they found the grass wasn't greener somewhere else:

Searcy
Carter (HAWAII!!!)
Rencher

tons more.

Billy Schaeffer

 

[paultzman]

In terms of the campus itself, I have to tell you, it has improved dramatically over recent years.

I will create a new post about that.

There are far worse..far far worse campuses. FH may have done some really lowlife stuff, but he put money raised into capital improvements to the campus.

The better the team gets, the easier it will be to recruit. Period.

Mullin
Berry
Mark
Jackson
Malik Sealy
Jayson Williams
Felipe Lopez
Zendon Hamilton
Ron Artest
And I believe
Singleton
Glover
Cain
Posters - more knowledgeable than I - can add many more NY kids who played in Queens

And now S'hampton Ponds
Some kids will stay right here in NYC
No forcing
No fretting

We only need one local
Player a year plus one " outsider"
It's doable!

all the best
WTS
( and the T stands for...)

Many great players came back after they found the grass wasn't greener somewhere else:

Searcy
Carter (HAWAII!!!)
Rencher

tons more.

Billy Schaeffer

No

 

[fun]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Prison is pretty diverse too, but I wouldn't want to spend four years there.

Seriously and no offense intended but have you ever been off Long Island? Queens is awful and Jamaica makes Raleigh look like Paris.

I didn't realize you were up near Albany. I thought you lived somewhere nice.

Golly that's hurtful. For the record, upstate New York is beautiful. You should visit sometime. It has a delineated seasons, majestic mountains, raging rivers, pristine lakes, and interesting wildlife. I'm a half an hour from some of the premier concert venues and art museums in the country. I'm half an hour from the best thoroughbred racing meet in the world. Land is cheap, taxes are low (for NY) and traffic is non existent. And best of all it has fewer New Yorkers than almost anywhere else in New York. I mean sure, it's not paradise: there isn't a 7-11 on every corner and we don't have too many Olive Gardens (fingers crossed) but there is a Cracker Barrel up the road a piece if I feel the need for cheap bad food. It's by no means ideal, but utopia by definition doesn't exist. If it did it wouldn't be utopia.

All of which is immaterial to the point: that for a college student choosing between Jamaica and nearly anywhere else on the basis of location and culture is a no brainer. Because other than proximity to Manhattan there's nothing that Queens offers that's any other college town doesn't offer as well. Which is why SJU might be an attractive destination not for domestic players but for foreign ones - because when they think of the US they think of NY. But it's also why NY players want to get out, because they've seen the sheer awfulness of it.

 

[austour]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

I expect Marvin Clark to be a nice little player for us but let's be clear, contrary to what many posters have stated recently, he was not a top 100 recruit and was rated 3 stars by most services including ESPN and Rivals.

Yet Izzo thought enough of him to give him a schollie.

Just stating facts. Another one is that Mullin is no Izzo, since you brought him up.

True....but he did not become the Izzo we know right out of the gate. After his first two seasons Izzo built an NIT team. It's hard to say if would turned this around in year two...or year one of a complete roster turnover.

Again, I was just working in facts, not stating opinions. Fact is Izzo has never had a losing season, even in conference, and never missed the post season. Been to 20 straight dances, 7 final fours, 2 elite 8s and 4 sweet sixteens. One of the current and really all time greats so, yeah, I'm willing to bet he'd of done better, but that wasn't the point. If Chris can be half as good we will be thankful.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Prison is pretty diverse too, but I wouldn't want to spend four years there.

Seriously and no offense intended but have you ever been off Long Island? Queens is awful and Jamaica makes Raleigh look like Paris.

I didn't realize you were up near Albany. I thought you lived somewhere nice.

Golly that's hurtful. For the record, upstate New York is beautiful. You should visit sometime. It has a delineated seasons, majestic mountains, raging rivers, pristine lakes, and interesting wildlife. I'm a half an hour from some of the premier concert venues and art museums in the country. I'm half an hour from the best thoroughbred racing meet in the world. Land is cheap, taxes are low (for NY) and traffic is non existent. And best of all it has fewer New Yorkers than almost anywhere else in New York. I mean sure, it's not paradise: there isn't a 7-11 on every corner and we don't have too many Olive Gardens (fingers crossed) but there is a Cracker Barrel up the road a piece if I feel the need for cheap bad food. It's by no means ideal, but utopia by definition doesn't exist. If it did it wouldn't be utopia.

.

But Utopia Parkway exists and St Johns has it

 

[Andrew]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Prison is pretty diverse too, but I wouldn't want to spend four years there.

Seriously and no offense intended but have you ever been off Long Island? Queens is awful and Jamaica makes Raleigh look like Paris.

I didn't realize you were up near Albany. I thought you lived somewhere nice.

Golly that's hurtful. For the record, upstate New York is beautiful. You should visit sometime. It has a delineated seasons, majestic mountains, raging rivers, pristine lakes, and interesting wildlife. I'm a half an hour from some of the premier concert venues and art museums in the country. I'm half an hour from the best thoroughbred racing meet in the world. Land is cheap, taxes are low (for NY) and traffic is non existent. And best of all it has fewer New Yorkers than almost anywhere else in New York. I mean sure, it's not paradise: there isn't a 7-11 on every corner and we don't have too many Olive Gardens (fingers crossed) but there is a Cracker Barrel up the road a piece if I feel the need for cheap bad food. It's by no means ideal, but utopia by definition doesn't exist. If it did it wouldn't be utopia.

All of which is immaterial to the point: that for a college student choosing between Jamaica and nearly anywhere else on the basis of location and culture is a no brainer. Because other than proximity to Manhattan there's nothing that Queens offers that's any other college town doesn't offer as well. Which is why SJU might be an attractive destination not for domestic players but for foreign ones - because when they think of the US they think of NY. But it's also why NY players want to get out, because they've seen the sheer awfulness of it.

btw I love Saratoga and Ballston Spa the bottle capital of the world.

 

[Class of 72]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Prison is pretty diverse too, but I wouldn't want to spend four years there.

Seriously and no offense intended but have you ever been off Long Island? Queens is awful and Jamaica makes Raleigh look like Paris.

I didn't realize you were up near Albany. I thought you lived somewhere nice.

Golly that's hurtful. For the record, upstate New York is beautiful. You should visit sometime. It has a delineated seasons, majestic mountains, raging rivers, pristine lakes, and interesting wildlife. I'm a half an hour from some of the premier concert venues and art museums in the country. I'm half an hour from the best thoroughbred racing meet in the world. Land is cheap, taxes are low (for NY) and traffic is non existent. And best of all it has fewer New Yorkers than almost anywhere else in New York. I mean sure, it's not paradise: there isn't a 7-11 on every corner and we don't have too many Olive Gardens (fingers crossed) but there is a Cracker Barrel up the road a piece if I feel the need for cheap bad food. It's by no means ideal, but utopia by definition doesn't exist. If it did it wouldn't be utopia.

All of which is immaterial to the point: that for a college student choosing between Jamaica and nearly anywhere else on the basis of location and culture is a no brainer. Because other than proximity to Manhattan there's nothing that Queens offers that's any other college town doesn't offer as well. Which is why SJU might be an attractive destination not for domestic players but for foreign ones - because when they think of the US they think of NY. But it's also why NY players want to get out, because they've seen the sheer awfulness of it.

Pardon my language but someone who knocks St. John's campus, Queens and the "proximity" to Manhattan, the greatest city in America, should temper their bullshit. Especially when they live in your neighborhood.

[/quote]

 

[austour]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Prison is pretty diverse too, but I wouldn't want to spend four years there.

Seriously and no offense intended but have you ever been off Long Island? Queens is awful and Jamaica makes Raleigh look like Paris.

I didn't realize you were up near Albany. I thought you lived somewhere nice.

Golly that's hurtful. For the record, upstate New York is beautiful. You should visit sometime. It has a delineated seasons, majestic mountains, raging rivers, pristine lakes, and interesting wildlife. I'm a half an hour from some of the premier concert venues and art museums in the country. I'm half an hour from the best thoroughbred racing meet in the world. Land is cheap, taxes are low (for NY) and traffic is non existent. And best of all it has fewer New Yorkers than almost anywhere else in New York. I mean sure, it's not paradise: there isn't a 7-11 on every corner and we don't have too many Olive Gardens (fingers crossed) but there is a Cracker Barrel up the road a piece if I feel the need for cheap bad food. It's by no means ideal, but utopia by definition doesn't exist. If it did it wouldn't be utopia.

.

But Utopia Parkway exists and St Johns has it

Never has a road had a moniker more poorly applied.

 

[fun]

Ballston Spa the bottle capital of the world.

The national bottle museum is a treasure.

 

[fun]

Manhattan, the greatest city in America

Manhattan isn't a city stupid, it's a borough.