Transfers SJU May Get Involved With

[JohnnyFan]

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[Class of 72]

While some make compelling arguments that the projected distribution of minutes seems unattractive to recruits, the reality is except for Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed, and possibly Simon and Clark, no one on this team should have guaranteed minutes. 
We are "assuming" Clark and Simon will be alloted around 20 minutes or more depending on their ability to blend into the lineup in real time game situations.  The rest of the team however hasn't shown they warrant a specific number of minutes from past performance.  No we are not Kentucky or UNC or Kansas where 5 star players sit on the bench if there are 5 other better players.  However, after the five players mentioned above it becomes a crap shoot at St. John's.  Everyone of the remaining players has significant flaws that limit their productivity.  Some of the conoscenti here have been waiting for Mussini and Alibegovic to leave.  Many don't think Owens can guard anyone weighing more than 200 lbs. Yakwe regressed last year and showed little on both offense or defense.
Others, including moi, think a 5th year center should own the position from day one if they have some talent, can rebound and, most importantly, was not pushed around in their previous life.  A legitimate 5 redefines the minutes from players 6 through 13.
In short, we now have five really good players and are missing a couple of pieces.  The biggest piece is at the 5 where we have no one.  A decent 5 like Rooks would have no competition. Ergo, the minutes argument is bogus.
I agree that the addition of a 2 or 3 star player without experience will add little other than depth but a true 5 would be invaluable.  Whether it be Rooks or a foreign player should not be a minutes argument.

 

[monte]

I don't get it either, we can't even get a 2 star recruit???

How many two star recruits do you think they should add? Which one wants to come here? Be specific and tell me in advance how you'd praise the staff for adding a two star recruit who'd be playing significant minutes.

Hey I wasn't recruiting Kante, ask SJU and Matt because I believe they were.
So you should ask them, not me.

He's a three star recruit who chose to go to a better university in a nicer neighborhood than the one you managed to get into. And having seen the women in Georgia I can't say that I blame him.

Before he accomplished much of anything, Matt backed his bosses in to a corner and publicly negotiated himself a nice raise on the premise of him being an ace recruiter who is going to bring enough high level talent to Jamaica, Queens for us to have a consistently winning team for years to come. I assume that he realizes that Jamaica ain't Athens, and that the coeds at SJU can't hold a candle to their counterparts at the big southern state school. In other words, he feels confident in his abilities to recruit to Jamaica in spite of the competition and the drawbacks. So far the results have been mixed. He still gets the benefit of the doubt, but it sure is starting to feel like its getting late early around here.

Except for the fact that the university sucks and Queens is a shit hole and the coeds are ugly, this is a lot of nonsense. The facts is that after Lovett, Ponds, Ahmed, Owens, Simon, Clark and Yakwe were recruited - all four or five star recruits, so much for the results having been mixed - Matt may or may have not done something about his contract about which you may or may not have heard believable rumors because I doubt you know a thing about it other than the rumors you rwad on this board. Personally, as soon as I heard rumors he was leaving I learned to spell his name, that's was how sure I was he wasn't, but then I'm not a gull.

As for the benefit of the doubt, he's had his job for 25 months. So you're right, it's getting late really early, especially because the basis for the clock ticking is his inability to lure into the fold that illusive 2-star recruit who's going to turn the program around.

Here's a thought: maybe if prize cinque staro recruito Federico Missini didn't suck at basketballo the team would have won more games and recruiting would have easier.

You go ahead and believe whatever you want vis-a-vi Matt and his negotiation tactics and results. I don't give il culo di Rat if a kid's star(s) are uno, duo, tre (Mussini's actual # of stars), quattro or cinque. Or what other schools have to offer, especially since most have a lot more to offer than us. I only care that we field a winning team. Right now we are one front court injury or defection away from being just about as deficient up front as we were last year. You expect improvement from KY next year because kids normally improve from one year to the next. Except KY regressed last year. So I'm not sure how you can have any expectation of improvement next year. The way I see it, any improvement would be a bonus. I'm not saying its the end of the world if we don't land another big for next season, what I'm saying is that considering the fact that we have one of the top recruiters in the country on our staff, we should be able to land one able due-tre star big body for next year to bolster our front line. There's still time.

 

[usguard]

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FUNNY

 

[RedStormRising]

Not to be even more of a downer, but right now don't we only have 9 eligible scholarship players for next year? Are we not at least a little worried about injury, foul trouble, the odd midseason defection/expulsion? There has to be a grad transfer out there that would want to play in the big east east and get an advanced degree on us. We could use bodies regardless of position.

 

[boo haarvey]

Not to be even more of a downer, but right now don't we only have 9 eligible scholarship players for next year? Are we not at least a little worried about injury, foul trouble, the odd midseason defection/expulsion? There has to be a grad transfer out there that would want to play in the big east east and get an advanced degree on us. We could use bodies regardless of position.

And that's counting Amar. Really disappointing.

 

[salty dog]

I don't get it either, we can't even get a 2 star recruit???

How many two star recruits do you think they should add? Which one wants to come here? Be specific and tell me in advance how you'd praise the staff for adding a two star recruit who'd be playing significant minutes.

Hey I wasn't recruiting Kante, ask SJU and Matt because I believe they were.
So you should ask them, not me.

He's a three star recruit who chose to go to a better university in a nicer neighborhood than the one you managed to get into. And having seen the women in Georgia I can't say that I blame him.

Before he accomplished much of anything, Matt backed his bosses in to a corner and publicly negotiated himself a nice raise on the premise of him being an ace recruiter who is going to bring enough high level talent to Jamaica, Queens for us to have a consistently winning team for years to come. I assume that he realizes that Jamaica ain't Athens, and that the coeds at SJU can't hold a candle to their counterparts at the big southern state school. In other words, he feels confident in his abilities to recruit to Jamaica in spite of the competition and the drawbacks. So far the results have been mixed. He still gets the benefit of the doubt, but it sure is starting to feel like its getting late early around here.

Except for the fact that the university sucks and Queens is a shit hole and the coeds are ugly, this is a lot of nonsense. The facts is that after Lovett, Ponds, Ahmed, Owens, Simon, Clark and Yakwe were recruited - all four or five star recruits, so much for the results having been mixed - Matt may or may have not done something about his contract about which you may or may not have heard believable rumors because I doubt you know a thing about it other than the rumors you rwad on this board. Personally, as soon as I heard rumors he was leaving I learned to spell his name, that's was how sure I was he wasn't, but then I'm not a gull.

As for the benefit of the doubt, he's had his job for 25 months. So you're right, it's getting late really early, especially because the basis for the clock ticking is his inability to lure into the fold that illusive 2-star recruit who's going to turn the program around.

Here's a thought: maybe if prize cinque staro recruito Federico Missini didn't suck at basketballo the team would have won more games and recruiting would have easier.

Fun hitting Monte where it hurts?, not Federico

 

[Andrew]

I don't get it either, we can't even get a 2 star recruit???

How many two star recruits do you think they should add? Which one wants to come here? Be specific and tell me in advance how you'd praise the staff for adding a two star recruit who'd be playing significant minutes.

Hey I wasn't recruiting Kante, ask SJU and Matt because I believe they were.
So you should ask them, not me.

He's a three star recruit who chose to go to a better university in a nicer neighborhood than the one you managed to get into. And having seen the women in Georgia I can't say that I blame him.

Before he accomplished much of anything, Matt backed his bosses in to a corner and publicly negotiated himself a nice raise on the premise of him being an ace recruiter who is going to bring enough high level talent to Jamaica, Queens for us to have a consistently winning team for years to come. I assume that he realizes that Jamaica ain't Athens, and that the coeds at SJU can't hold a candle to their counterparts at the big southern state school. In other words, he feels confident in his abilities to recruit to Jamaica in spite of the competition and the drawbacks. So far the results have been mixed. He still gets the benefit of the doubt, but it sure is starting to feel like its getting late early around here.

Except for the fact that the university sucks and Queens is a shit hole and the coeds are ugly, this is a lot of nonsense. The facts is that after Lovett, Ponds, Ahmed, Owens, Simon, Clark and Yakwe were recruited - all four or five star recruits, so much for the results having been mixed - Matt may or may have not done something about his contract about which you may or may not have heard believable rumors because I doubt you know a thing about it other than the rumors you rwad on this board. Personally, as soon as I heard rumors he was leaving I learned to spell his name, that's was how sure I was he wasn't, but then I'm not a gull.

As for the benefit of the doubt, he's had his job for 25 months. So you're right, it's getting late really early, especially because the basis for the clock ticking is his inability to lure into the fold that illusive 2-star recruit who's going to turn the program around.

Here's a thought: maybe if prize cinque staro recruito Federico Missini didn't suck at basketballo the team would have won more games and recruiting would have easier.

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

 

[L J S A]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

 

[redfan259999888]

Not to be even more of a downer, but right now don't we only have 9 eligible scholarship players for next year? Are we not at least a little worried about injury, foul trouble, the odd midseason defection/expulsion? There has to be a grad transfer out there that would want to play in the big east east and get an advanced degree on us. We could use bodies regardless of position.

Don't you get it? We aren't supposed to be concerned. If we don't get another recruit everything will be ok.
That's what many posters say.

 

[bamafan]

Not to be even more of a downer, but right now don't we only have 9 eligible scholarship players for next year? Are we not at least a little worried about injury, foul trouble, the odd midseason defection/expulsion? There has to be a grad transfer out there that would want to play in the big east east and get an advanced degree on us. We could use bodies regardless of position.

Don't you get it? We aren't supposed to be concerned. If we don't get another recruit everything will be ok.
That's what many posters say.

The 4 and 5 positions which should have some height and weight and muscle have two guys, a string-bean foul prone albeit nice player thought, and a 6'6 maybe 6'7 seven player that doesn't know how to play basketball. Sure Clark and Ahmed can play some 4 but against the real teams with an inside presence we will be sorely lacking. Most thought we needed a big last year like Livingston which we didn't get and now on top of that we lose Sima and Williams. Unless AliB turns into Kevin McHale we need a big to augment the talent we have on hand if we want to make the big tournament.

 

[Sjugrad13]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

 

[L J S A]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

I certainly didn't call it a trash school or area. And I never said we don't have nice players. But if visuals matter, and I have to assume they do, then a kid is going to see a lot of other campuses nationwide that will beat St. John's--rolling hills, mountains in the distance, the beach, tits as far as the eye can see.

I've always wondered why we haven't been able to sell to one-and-doners, though -- if you aren't going to be any place long enough to make a real connection, why not do it in NYC? I will say that if St. John's was located where NYU is, that would be a much easier sell, however.

 

[DaTiger]

Is the staff sending the SJU Nation a message? I can't help but notice, in the last few days SJU has been mentioned with: Sid Wilson, Nate Roberts, Noah Locke, Wynston Tabb, Precious Achiuwa, Nahsiah Carter, Nassir Little, Joe Girard, Christian Hinckson to mention a few.

The message could be: SJU is out of the 5th year transfer market and out of the sit and play transfer market, and out of the 2017 graduate market (both high school and JC). The message could be known as the "out of 2017".

Perhaps the message signals a change in recruiting strategy? Providence seems to offer a million kids and eventually get a few good ones to commit. In the past SJU would offer a few kids and occasionally end up with no one.

 

[OLV72]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

I certainly didn't call it a trash school or area. And I never said we don't have nice players. But if visuals matter, and I have to assume they do, then a kid is going to see a lot of other campuses nationwide that will beat St. John's--rolling hills, mountains in the distance, the beach, tits as far as the eye can see.

I've always wondered why we haven't been able to sell to one-and-doners, though -- if you aren't going to be any place long enough to make a real connection, why not do it in NYC? I will say that if St. John's was located where NYU is, that would be a much easier sell, however.

Players only care about one thing. They go to programs that prepare them to make money playing the game. The campus barely fits into that equation. They are not typical students at this level.

 

[SJU85]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

I certainly didn't call it a trash school or area. And I never said we don't have nice players. But if visuals matter, and I have to assume they do, then a kid is going to see a lot of other campuses nationwide that will beat St. John's--rolling hills, mountains in the distance, the beach, tits as far as the eye can see.

I've always wondered why we haven't been able to sell to one-and-doners, though -- if you aren't going to be any place long enough to make a real connection, why not do it in NYC? I will say that if St. John's was located where NYU is, that would be a much easier sell, however.

Players only care about one thing. They go to programs that prepare them to make money playing the game. The campus barely fits into that equation. They are not typical students at this level.

Don't kid yourself, campus is a factor in many occassions. It is probably not often the main factor when you are talking about a kid being recruited for the major sports and where it falls on a recruits overall list of factors vary as does what they are looking for in a campus.

 

[OLV72]

Queens is not a shit hole. It is the most diverse county in the country.

Do you think the average high school star athlete cares if Queens is diverse though?

The things athletes generally look for we are probably lacking in. Sucks but it's true.

But somehow this trash school and area has 4 four star recruits ( Ponds, Yawke, Clark, lovett, and one five star recruit ( Simon).

I certainly didn't call it a trash school or area. And I never said we don't have nice players. But if visuals matter, and I have to assume they do, then a kid is going to see a lot of other campuses nationwide that will beat St. John's--rolling hills, mountains in the distance, the beach, tits as far as the eye can see.

I've always wondered why we haven't been able to sell to one-and-doners, though -- if you aren't going to be any place long enough to make a real connection, why not do it in NYC? I will say that if St. John's was located where NYU is, that would be a much easier sell, however.

Players only care about one thing. They go to programs that prepare them to make money playing the game. The campus barely fits into that equation. They are not typical students at this level.

Don't kid yourself, campus is a factor in many occassions. It is probably not often the main factor when you are talking about a kid being recruited for the major sports and where it falls on a recruits overall list of factors vary as does what they are looking for in a campus.

Then we're screwed.

 

[panther2]

Is the staff sending the SJU Nation a message? I can't help but notice, in the last few days SJU has been mentioned with: Sid Wilson, Nate Roberts, Noah Locke, Wynston Tabb, Precious Achiuwa, Nahsiah Carter, Nassir Little, Joe Girard, Christian Hinckson to mention a few.

The message could be: SJU is out of the 5th year transfer market and out of the sit and play transfer market, and out of the 2017 graduate market (both high school and JC). The message could be known as the "out of 2017".

Perhaps the message signals a change in recruiting strategy? Providence seems to offer a million kids and eventually get a few good ones to commit. In the past SJU would offer a few kids and occasionally end up with no one.

Am hearing that Sidney Wilson is planning to graduate with his original class, 2017 and start college in September.

 

[stjohnschris]

I probably shouldn't take the bait, but Queens is far from a shit hole in 2017, and if you still lived in the borough (and I realize some do, like I do), you would have a better pulse on what's happening here, basically a rebranding of sorts, spearheaded by several elected officials, championed by Melina Katz. Whether that's made a true impact (yet) on the campus is probably debatable. For recruits, I think it's a case by case basis, and for many I don't think the campus beauty (or lack thereof) is a factor whatsoever. I speculated in another post that Kante visiting Georgia on a summer-like day and then coming to SJU on a wind swept rainy day just a few days later probably didn't bode well for us, but in all likelihood, it wasn't a factor at all.

I've been to most Big East campus's at one time or another. Many of them have a very similar feel to SJU...utilitarian, suburban/urban feel. Butler, Xavier, Providence, Creighton, Seton Hall...these are not "pretty" schools whatsoever. Villanova and Georgetown have a lot going for them in overall campus appeal, but nobody in our conference has MSG or NYC. Jamaica Queens is not the issue with our recruiting slump.

Gut feeling is the staff is doing a lot of things right on the recruiting trail, but hit a small skid of bad luck this spring. I'm still very optimistic about the long-term health of the program.

Go Queens!!

 

[sjc88]

The idea that SJU can't compete for recruits because of the campus or no mountains or whatever is downright stupid. Sure there are some kids who want an idyllic setting in the mountains somewhere. However, we all know kids go to and choose schools for many varied reasons. If the original argument were true the University of Hawaii would be the top ranked program in the country. It is not. St. John's has trouble recruiting right now because we haven't done one thing and that is WIN. We have been a poorly run organization at least athletically for quite some time. Bad coaching hires, frequent turnover that has led to empty recruiting years etc.

I am sure we have a lot to sell in that we are located in the greatest city in the world with many opportunities during and after school. We just need to make sure we have the right people selling the vision.