Transfers SJU May Get Involved With
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I think it is a tourney team too. But that analysis is flawed for the reasons stated above, plus: AliB should not be slotted in for anything (except in cases where foul trouble etc develops). And assuming Ownes will play 25 MPG is optimistic. Generally though, your minute distribution would leave a very unbalanced, small lineup. That may actually develop, but if a solid, quality big man came in, it would re-orient those minutes to be more balanced and reflect more balance on the court.
Absolutely no one thinks that there is not the need for another big man. But if the minute distribution above is correct, and I think it is because I posted the same thing a couple of days ago - what kind of big man is going to commit to a 14 win team on the off chance he gets some minutes in the case of foul trouble, suspensions and injuries. The answer is: a big man whose presence isn't going to translate into too many wins. Because that guy will go where there are minutes that don't depend on the players who are supposed to get minutes screwing up. If the team is going to win next year it's going to be because the core seven players play well. If they don't things will go south and no back up center is going to make a difference..
L J S A
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The worst season they've had in the past 20 seasons has been 23 wins and a first round exit. He's in no danger of missing the tournament if he goes there. They reload as good as anyone in college.
I think we make the tournament with a serviceable big man, but as we've seen, big men seem unwilling to bet on us.
Did you read his whole post? He didn't say we shouldn't add a big. He said we don't have a lot of playing time to offer. Right now we don't have injuries or suspensions.
I believe I said that adding another player would be optimal but excuse me for not succumbing to the abject negativity the board has sunken into. But yes, by all means we should try to add a 5th year transfer, selling that hey, if someone gets hurt or gets suspended we have minutes for you. The fact is, If those things happen many programs would have trouble dealing with them not just SJU. This staff added quality players quickly under very challenging circumstances and those players are going to play, like it or not. I for one think the constant cracks and criticism since the end of the season is so much nonsense and tried to say it objectively and factually. As for your last comment, answer to what I write, I never said we don't need to add size, I said I don't believe we have as many minutes to offer as some portray. Feel free to disagree........................
I agree. I also think w more weight and exp we could get 25 minutes out of Owens. But, I have argued, although Owens and Yakwe arnt world beaters. A grad big has to ask himself , how much pt is he going to get? I also believe that Owens playing 25 minutes and Yakwe 15, coupled w Clark at the 4, that the sky isn't falling. That's not to say recruiting hasnt been disappointing. And for the record Simon and Clark were in last years class. So this year we only have Dixon to show for our efforts.
Those who are not in the don't worry, be somewhat happy camp are those who want this team to be really good and think without a big man it's just another year of mediocrity. I think that's probably correct but it's likely a higher level of mediocrity than last year's, and last year the team won 7 conference games and 3 wins overall from a winning record. The low bar for next year is a .500 record in conference and a winning record overall. That's good, but it's not really good (and far from great but that's the target for a longer term future). How much better Simon and Clark are than Ellison and Williams will be measured in wins and wins only. How much better a new decent big would be than RF is probably more impactful to getting the most wins. That's how a lot think about this situation.
There isn't a single poster on here who would turn away a competent big man. The point Logen and fun and others are making is that the staff does not have a significant chunk of playing time to offer such a big man.
L J S A
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I guess I should have held off on reading those good things about him. :lol:
I do think we need one more piece up front. And if it's going to be a SF so Clark and Ahmed each don't have to play 37 mpg, then I'm OK with it. Big man-or-nothing mentality might bite us in the ass.
Right, there isn't. You could have stopped there. There isn't a quality big who wants to come here.
No one is pretending that, unless there's some dyslexic poster who thinks we won 41 games last year. What people are pretending is that there's some quality big man out there who's dying to play at SJU's but either the staff doesn't know it or they're not working hard enough to extend an invitation. And what rational posters are saying is that not bringing in a three star recruit as the ninth or tenth man isn't a make or break situation.
Travis Hines @TravisHines21
Iowa State set to host Princeton grad transfer
Ames Tribune today, a Beverly note:
Hans Brase, a transfer from Princeton, will visit ISU starting Monday, a source confirms to the Ames Tribune.
The 6-foot-9 forward played in just five games this past season due to a right knee injury. Brase tore the ACL in that same knee the previous year.
As a junior, Brase averaged 11.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game for the Tigers while shootin 42.4 percent from the field and 34.5 percent on nearly five 3-point attempts per game.
ISU currently has three open scholarships and is in need of frontcourt depth with just three post players eligible on the roster in sophomore Solomon Young, redshirt freshman Cameron Lard and Tennessee transfer Ray Kasongo.
Six-foot-6 Texas-San Antonio transfer Jeff Beverly is visiting ISU this week and is expected to commit to the Cyclones.
Iowa State set to host Princeton grad transfer
Ames Tribune today, a Beverly note:
Hans Brase, a transfer from Princeton, will visit ISU starting Monday, a source confirms to the Ames Tribune.
The 6-foot-9 forward played in just five games this past season due to a right knee injury. Brase tore the ACL in that same knee the previous year.
As a junior, Brase averaged 11.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game for the Tigers while shootin 42.4 percent from the field and 34.5 percent on nearly five 3-point attempts per game.
ISU currently has three open scholarships and is in need of frontcourt depth with just three post players eligible on the roster in sophomore Solomon Young, redshirt freshman Cameron Lard and Tennessee transfer Ray Kasongo.
Six-foot-6 Texas-San Antonio transfer Jeff Beverly is visiting ISU this week and is expected to commit to the Cyclones.
Regardless of how much playing time there is for another big man, it is unbelievable to me that this staff couldn't find one big guy out of High School, Prep School, Junior College or Fifth year Transfer who can play at this level to come here and add depth. Not one big man?????? It's just absurd.
My two cents.
When talking about graduate transfers, you are basically looking at guys looking to leave their present situation because of one or more of these:
1. More playing time
2. More exposure in a better or bigger program, or conference
3. A chance to make the NCAAs.
So looking at that what do we have?
Several posters have "crunched" some numbers and based on that their might not be as much available playing time for a fifth year transfer at Center as we thought.
We don't have a recent history of making the NCAA's on a consistent basis and the few times we have, its been "one and done", thereby limiting our exposure. While we are in a big five conference, we are not considered a big five program within our own conference based on our lack of success over the years. This team under the current regime has not made any post season tournament. This is not a shot ( I know what they had to work with when they came in) but a fact. The staff has no prior coaching history (again, not a shot as I believe they will be able to get us to the NCAA's in the near future and hopefully beyond) in college or the pros so their is no success for this 5th year guys to look at or fill them with confidence that this, the potential transfers last year, will be the year. So not the exposure they might be looking for. Also, how many times in recent years have we been involved in a "must see" where the normal college basketball fan with no routing interest tunes in? Again exposure..
If you are a high school senior or a transfer that has more than one year of eligibility left, it is easier to be convinced based on the building of a relationship and knowing this is not your last season. It is tougher on a grad transfer.
Yes I know we got Durand Johnson and Ron Mvouika Chris's first year as grad transfers but both game with questions marks. Johnson was coming back from a torn ACL and two seasons of no games due to recovery from the surgery and suspension for violating team rules and then when the suspension was up, they decided not to allow him back in the program. Mvouika was coming from a midmajor who did not renew his schollie due to a back injury that caused him to miss a whole season.
Disappointing. Absolutely. Frustrating: extremely. But there are factors and I don't think its not for the lack of trying. I am still hopeful we will be able to grab a serviceable one, but it has not been as easy as anyone of us thought or imagined it would be.
When talking about graduate transfers, you are basically looking at guys looking to leave their present situation because of one or more of these:
1. More playing time
2. More exposure in a better or bigger program, or conference
3. A chance to make the NCAAs.
So looking at that what do we have?
Several posters have "crunched" some numbers and based on that their might not be as much available playing time for a fifth year transfer at Center as we thought.
We don't have a recent history of making the NCAA's on a consistent basis and the few times we have, its been "one and done", thereby limiting our exposure. While we are in a big five conference, we are not considered a big five program within our own conference based on our lack of success over the years. This team under the current regime has not made any post season tournament. This is not a shot ( I know what they had to work with when they came in) but a fact. The staff has no prior coaching history (again, not a shot as I believe they will be able to get us to the NCAA's in the near future and hopefully beyond) in college or the pros so their is no success for this 5th year guys to look at or fill them with confidence that this, the potential transfers last year, will be the year. So not the exposure they might be looking for. Also, how many times in recent years have we been involved in a "must see" where the normal college basketball fan with no routing interest tunes in? Again exposure..
If you are a high school senior or a transfer that has more than one year of eligibility left, it is easier to be convinced based on the building of a relationship and knowing this is not your last season. It is tougher on a grad transfer.
Yes I know we got Durand Johnson and Ron Mvouika Chris's first year as grad transfers but both game with questions marks. Johnson was coming back from a torn ACL and two seasons of no games due to recovery from the surgery and suspension for violating team rules and then when the suspension was up, they decided not to allow him back in the program. Mvouika was coming from a midmajor who did not renew his schollie due to a back injury that caused him to miss a whole season.
Disappointing. Absolutely. Frustrating: extremely. But there are factors and I don't think its not for the lack of trying. I am still hopeful we will be able to grab a serviceable one, but it has not been as easy as anyone of us thought or imagined it would be.
redfan259999888
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Maybe not, but he's be assured of playing the last 10minutes if we had the lead, just to rebound and be a inside presense. Yeah, I guess Ponds will be rebounding alot huh?
We'll have Lovett and Ponds who I'm thinking will improve from last year and Simon who people are saying is the real deal, so the big man would have guys feeding him the rock inside.
I don't get it either, we can't even get a 2 star recruit??? Yeah, something is up.
Hoping Owens improves alot and stays out of foul trouble, same with Yakwe, otherwise we're F'eddddd
stjohnschris
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Key words there are "foul trouble" and it will happen, almost every game. I don't think PT is/was the issue with the recruits that passed us over. Some of it is probably some bad timing, bad luck, or decisions that some of these players look back on and wished they chose differently. Until kids are back on campus after the summer, it's an ongoing process that could still yield something worthwhile.