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I am not going to reply to anyone specifically but IMO, players should get whatever someone is willing to pay them, just like everyone else. As a fan, I don’t like what has happened, but it has happened, and I have yet to see a restriction or cap or penalty on what NCAA “thieves” make, what coaches or ADs make, what college presidents and administrators make, etc. etc.

ALL those people have directly contributed with their greed to what has transpired, never mind the absolute obscene costs of just attending a college or university today. Schools are no longer in the education business, if they ever were, they are clearly in the money making business.

Personally, I am not remotely inclined to be show faux outrage now at players making theirs. That’s who people pay to see play, and when those costs become too high, my advice is stop going.
 
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logen said:
I am not going to reply to anyone specifically but IMO, players should get whatever someone is willing to pay them, just like everyone else. I don’t like what has happened, but it has happened, and I have yet to see a restriction or cap or penalty on what NCAA “thieves” make, what coaches or ADs make, what college presidents and administrators make, etc. etc.

ALL those people have directly contributed with their greed to what has transpired, never mind the absolute obscene costs of just attending a college or university today.

Personally, I am not remotely inclined to be outraged now at players making theirs.
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I might not like NIL but I agree with your premise.pretty much all of it
 
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njfan said:
With Bobby Huggins about to get fired wonder how many of his players jump to portal. What the guy said was completely irresponsible and wrong. You think huggy bear would know better after all these years coaching. Someone on Twitter was joking that Anderson should goto wvu lol
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He'll probably get a suspension but I think he'll survive it and nobody jumps ship. The faux outrage police will move on to their next thing within 24 hours and this will be forgotten about.
 
mjmaherjr said:
I might not like NIL but I agree with you premise.
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I agree on the NIL. But here’s my but:
I believe I posted this before, years ago I attended a basketball gathering where Al McGuire gave a speech suggesting schools provide “unlimited“ length of scholarships to athletes and set up tutor programs to let them work towards a degree from their actual level of previous education; to do away with the sham that all these players were equipped to learn a college curriculum.
His idea being, as long as a person was working towards advancing themselves academically they could continue as students. The idea went over like the proverbial lead balloon. Schools and the NCAA used these players for decade upon decade and now the greed has come home to roost. I say ”So Be It”, you are now reaping what you sowed.
The sad part to me, the scum-buckets that run the NCAA figured out a way that still allows them to keep every grubby cent they set up the system for themselves to steal.
 
logen said:
ut II agree on the NIL. But here’s my but:
I believe I posted this before, years ago I attended a basketball gathering where Al McGuire gave a speech suggesting schools provide “unlimited“ length of scholarships to athletes and set up tutor programs to let them work towards a degree from their actual level of previous education; to do away with the sham that all these players were equipped to learn a college curriculum.
His idea being, as long as a person was working towards advancing themselves academically they could continue as students. The idea went over like the proverbial lead balloon. Schools and the NCAA used these players for decade upon decade and now the greed has come home to roost. I say ”So Be It”, you are now reaping what you sowed.
The sad part to me, the scum-buckets that run the NCAA figured out a way that still allows them to keep every grubby cent they set up the system for themselves to steal.
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Agree and while I think NIL is here to stay and I'm not looking for things that have been mentioned like NIL cap because that will never work and I think they should get what they get I do think some thought should be put in to the over design of a players tenure. Maybe that's not worded right. But let's just say you commit to a school you have to stay 2 years unless coaching change. Maybe add some other things. I just want to get away from where coaches get in other kids years all the time. I have 0 issue with grad transfers. I just think there needs to be a more thoughtful process

Eventually I think ( or at least I hope ) that the insanity being thrown around because from what everyone who I trust privately Is the number at least on grad transfers is $$$$$$$$ slows down

And there is still non Nil stuff out there unreported and if you try to curtail NIL $ teams are still going to find ways to get players they want $. Just my opinion
 
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MugCostanza said:
He'll probably get a suspension but I think he'll survive it and nobody jumps ship. The faux outrage police will move on to their next thing within 24 hours and this will be forgotten about.
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It sure it already hit Fox News lol. Faux outrage have to say this one yeahhhh not good at all quite disgusting to be honest. Someone has to tell him it's 2023. I doubt he survives honestly and he probably shouldn't after listening to the whole thing . Just y two cents and I am no way the faux police too much pc going on
 
mjmaherjr said:
Agree and while I think NIL is here to stay and I'm not looking for things that have been mentioned like NIL cap because that will never work and I think they should get what they get I do think some thought should be put in to the over design of a players tenure. Maybe that's not worded right. But let's just say you commit to a school you have to stay 2 years unless coaching change. Maybe add some other things. I just want to get away from where coaches get in other kids years all the time. I have 0 issue with grad transfers. I just think there needs to be a more thoughtful process

Eventually I think ( or at least I hope ) that the insanity being thrown around because from what everyone who I trust privately Is the number at least on grad transfers is $$$$$$$$.

And there is still non Nil stuff out there unreported and if you try to curtail NIL $ teams are still going to find ways to get players they want $. Just my opinion
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Again, I agree in principal but I guess the libertarian in me objects to putting in artificial controls on players but none on coaches. I wonder how coaches would react if say they could only change jobs during certain times so recruits had a clear understanding that when they commit, the coach they commit to will be there for at least their first year or two? I would venture to say not too well.
 
logen said:
Again, I agree in principal but I guess the libertarian in me objects to putting in artificial controls on players but none on coaches. I wonder how coaches would react if say they could only change jobs during certain times so recruits had a clear understanding that when they commit, the coach they commit to will be there for at least their first year or two? I would venture to say not too well.
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I totally get what you are saying but some coaches have clauses to buyout their contracts. And I'm all for if a coach leaves any player can leave card blanche. I dont really know what the answer is just I gotta believe there can be a more organized system and coaches rarely leave after a year. I've already resigned myself to my overall thought process has to change as getting to tied as a fan to your players ( I was one of the guys that hoping most of our kids back from last year to play and improve under Rick ). Nothing personal against what Rick did he's improving the team as he sees fit it's his choice but I'm old school. I had flip phone till several years ago I still use yahoo email and I absolutely go bonkers when they are any site refreshes the landing page to make it look different. I'm not big fan of change in my life. That's just my personality. Heck I've been at same company for 31 years never even came close to thinking about taking the insane recruiting money in my biz to switch firms. I'd rather work with my friends
 
logen said:
I am not going to reply to anyone specifically but IMO, players should get whatever someone is willing to pay them, just like everyone else. As a fan, I don’t like what has happened, but it has happened, and I have yet to see a restriction or cap or penalty on what NCAA “thieves” make, what coaches or ADs make, what college presidents and administrators make, etc. etc.

ALL those people have directly contributed with their greed to what has transpired, never mind the absolute obscene costs of just attending a college or university today. Schools are no longer in the education business, if they ever were, they are clearly in the money making business.

Personally, I am not remotely inclined to be show faux outrage now at players making theirs. That’s who people pay to see play, and when those costs become too high, my advice is stop going.
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The best thing about NIL and super conferences is it will eventually put the NCAA out to pasture.
 
logen said:
Again, I agree in principal but I guess the libertarian in me objects to putting in artificial controls on players but none on coaches. I wonder how coaches would react if say they could only change jobs during certain times so recruits had a clear understanding that when they commit, the coach they commit to will be there for at least their first year or two? I would venture to say not too well.
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Unfortunately, you are assuming that college coaches and college players are in the same occupational specialty. That's total bull crap. No matter how you try to spin NIL, college "students" still have to maintain amateur status. They have the option to become professionals if they choose and, at age 19, enter the draft, play in the G league or overseas. If money paid to them by college alumni operating collectives is restricted by their decision to attend a specific school, it would be deemed a violation of the law.

Coaches are professionals hired to teach college kids the game of basketball. If one applied your rationale to other college professionals (the chancellor, president, professors) to their students it would sound outrageous because it is.

Colleges "pay" for the tuition and related costs to "recruit" the best students who in turn make the college a highly rated educational institution. Part of the attraction for the students is the learning under the best professors in their field. In turn, universities with the best professors and students attract millions of dollars in research funds. Those students, upon graduation, become big donors. It perpetuates itself as long as you don't downgrade the way you do business.

For the umpteenth time, the NIL modus operandi is a scam and a mockery of the Supreme Court's decision. All it did was legalize the pay-to-play incentive by privatizing the process with the same intent as always, i.e., influence the decision of the athlete as to what university to attend. When applied that way, it is still an illegality but the universities play the old "see, hear and speak no evil" game with the devil.

In closing, we as fans, are caught in the middle by being made part of the scam to pay players by donating into specifically earmarked collectives where there is zero oversight and only voluntary reporting. I agree with some who think that eventually the market will reach a peak at which donors start to say enough is enough.
 
Rocket said:
Unfortunately, you are assuming that college coaches and college players are in the same occupational specialty. That's total bull crap. No matter how you try to spin NIL, college "students" still have to maintain amateur status. They have the option to become professionals if they choose and, at age 19, enter the draft, play in the G league or overseas. If money paid to them by college alumni operating collectives is restricted by their decision to attend a specific school, it would be deemed a violation of the law.

Coaches are professionals hired to teach college kids the game of basketball. If one applied your rationale to other college professionals (the chancellor, president, professors) to their students it would sound outrageous because it is.

Colleges "pay" for the tuition and related costs to "recruit" the best students who in turn make the college a highly rated educational institution. Part of the attraction for the students is the learning under the best professors in their field. In turn, universities with the best professors and students attract millions of dollars in research funds. Those students, upon graduation, become big donors. It perpetuates itself as long as you don't downgrade the way you do business.

For the umpteenth time, the NIL modus operandi is a scam and a mockery of the Supreme Court's decision. All it did was legalize the pay-to-play incentive by privatizing the process with the same intent as always, i.e., influence the decision of the athlete as to what university to attend. When applied that way, it is still an illegality but the universities play the old "see, hear and speak no evil" game with the devil.

In closing, we as fans, are caught in the middle by being made part of the scam to pay players by donating into specifically earmarked collectives where there is zero oversight and only voluntary reporting. I agree with some who think that eventually the market will reach a peak at which donors start to say enough is enough.
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A mod could delete this and my copying of Rocket’s post above that I was going to reply to; I hit “post reply” prematurely, went to edit it, got side tracked by a phone call and timed out. :oops:
 
njfan said:
It sure it already hit Fox News lol. Faux outrage have to say this one yeahhhh not good at all quite disgusting to be honest. Someone has to tell him it's 2023. I doubt he survives honestly and he probably shouldn't after listening to the whole thing . Just y two cents and I am no way the faux police too much pc going on
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