THIS Season (formerly Next Season)

I disagree w the authors statement we are depleted re talent. We have talent but they are young. I don't think we will be the bottom of the BE. But we're not going to be world beaters. I think we can be very good the following year.
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I agree! I think some of the guys who cover college ball nationally make general statements about teams they haven't been paying much attention too. Sort of feels like he just looked at a list of our 2015 recruits and mentioned a couple of names at the top.
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Hate to say it, but if I were the author, I would also have Mullin at number 10. Not only are we young, but the new core has yet to play a minute together. I don’t know where the other first year coaches ranked, but I’m taking the liberty to assume that the previous coaches at those institutions recruited strategically in order to balance the team with a mix of upper and lower classmen. (Not meant to be a dig at our old coach nor do I want to incite an anti-Lavin rhetoric )

Back to the author and why I agree with his assessment. You can't evaluate a totally new squad’s team chemistry in the dark unless you have studs like the Fab 5 or Calipari’s Kentucky. It's like choosing a spouse based only on how sexy or smart they sound over the phone; no thank you!

Love and team sports are alike in that it's all about that chemistry. I just had a Dr. Phil moment, yikes. Just being realistic.
 
I disagree w the authors statement we are depleted re talent. We have talent but they are young. I don't think we will be the bottom of the BE. But we're not going to be world beaters. I think we can be very good the following year.
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I agree! I think some of the guys who cover college ball nationally make general statements about teams they haven't been paying much attention too. Sort of feels like he just looked at a list of our 2015 recruits and mentioned a couple of names at the top.
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Hate to say it, but if I were the author, I would also have Mullin at number 10. Not only are we young, but the new core has yet to play a minute together. I don’t know where the other first year coaches ranked, but I’m taking the liberty to assume that the previous coaches at those institutions recruited strategically in order to balance the team with a mix of upper and lower classmen. (Not meant to be a dig at our old coach nor do I want to incite an anti-Lavin rhetoric )

Back to the author and why I agree with his assessment. You can't evaluate a totally new squad’s team chemistry in the dark unless you have studs like the Fab 5 or Calipari’s Kentucky. It's like choosing a spouse based only on how sexy or smart they sound over the phone; no thank you!

Love and team sports are alike in that it's all about that chemistry. I just had a Dr. Phil moment, yikes. Just being realistic.
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Good point about chemistry. Nobody has seen this group play together and we lost every major contributor from last year. Totally makes sense that's how we're viewed. And the point made above by Ray Morgan and Paultzman about having reasonable expectations is of course the right way to think about it. It'd be crazy to not be happy if things play out like in that hypothetical 3 year time line. If we finish .500 this year that would be awesome and way above most outsider's expectations.
 
My only expectation for next season is that the board and fan base will be united in their support of the team even when they perform like deer in the headlights freshmen.
 
My only expectation for next season is that the board and fan base will be united in their support of the team even when they perform like deer in the headlights freshmen.
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You must not follow this board closely
If/When that happens, some knuckleheads on this site will go berserk
You can take that to the bank!!
 
My only expectation for next season is that the board and fan base will be united in their support of the team even when they perform like deer in the headlights freshmen.
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You must not follow this board closely
If/When that happens, some knuckleheads on this site will go berserk
You can take that to the bank!!
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Ha - maybe you're right on this. I think we'll find out early.
 
If Marcus is eligible team has talent and some depth at each and every position. Having said that we will be the youngest team in Division 1. We really return three bench warmers who got next to no burn on a very undermanned team. Unfortunately nothing beats experience. If Marcus is eligible we will take our lumps but should be fun to watch next season as we will return an exciting bunch of young stars in the making in Lovett, Mussini, Sima, Ellison, Williams while loosing Johnson and Mouvika and perhaps Jones and Belamou. We will add Yakwe , perhaps this season, Owens and hopefully Ponds and Ahmed. The four players we should add should more than offset the four players we may loose after this season. If we can continue to recruit a bunch of four star and Juco AAs we will be a very dangerous team come March 2017.
My personal feeling is that if the staff can bring in Ponds and Ahmed for 2016 that in 2017 they go after an even higher level of recruit.
Either way the future is very bright IMHO.
 
Year One - 15-17 wins
Year Two - Contend for NCAA bid
Year Three - Ranked in 15-20 range, dance & do a little damage.

Assumption - no major defections nor injuries to key guys & continued quality recruiting.
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Great. But making the tourney in year two would be perfect.
 
Year One - 15-17 wins
Year Two - Contend for NCAA bid
Year Three - Ranked in 15-20 range, dance & do a little damage.

Assumption - no major defections nor injuries to key guys & continued quality recruiting.
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Year 1 is not impossible, but I think you are 3 games high. A 20% optimism factor? We'd have to catch lightening in a bottle for that to happen. As I said, not impossible, but no harm in the prediction as long as you aren't putting any money on it.

Agree with the rest if all goes well.
 
Year One - 15-17 wins
Year Two - Contend for NCAA bid
Year Three - Ranked in 15-20 range, dance & do a little damage.

Assumption - no major defections nor injuries to key guys & continued quality recruiting.
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Unfortunately you probably lost 25% of posters at year one. Don't think it will be many but will be a loud minority bitching about Mullin next year I am afraid.
 
If Marcus is eligible team has talent and some depth at each and every position. Having said that we will be the youngest team in Division 1. We really return three bench warmers who got next to no burn on a very undermanned team. Unfortunately nothing beats experience. If Marcus is eligible we will take our lumps but should be fun to watch next season as we will return an exciting bunch of young stars in the making in Lovett, Mussini, Sima, Ellison, Williams while loosing Johnson and Mouvika and perhaps Jones and Belamou. We will add Yakwe , perhaps this season, Owens and hopefully Ponds and Ahmed. The four players we should add should more than offset the four players we may loose after this season. If we can continue to recruit a bunch of four star and Juco AAs we will be a very dangerous team come March 2017.
My personal feeling is that if the staff can bring in Ponds and Ahmed for 2016 that in 2017 they go after an even higher level of recruit.
Either way the future is very bright IMHO.
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This is the only way you can look at it if you are a fan of SJU,
 
Unfortunately you probably lost 25% of posters at year one. Don't think it will be many but will be a loud minority bitching about Mullin next year I am afraid.
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I can name five off the top of my head who will be super annoying, and at least two of them will hibernate until our first loss.
 
Forgive me if this has been discussed already, I have been away from the site for a little while. I was curious if anyone could correctly identify the ten players in this photo? (photo link below) I think I know at least half of them but would like clarity on this. Thanks in advance for any help.

 
Yup!

@franfraschilla: Coaches: Your first year in a rebuilding job is a "survival year." Don't worry about wins as much as laying down a foundation for success.
 
Yup!

@franfraschilla: Coaches: Your first year in a rebuilding job is a "survival year." Don't worry about wins as much as laying down a foundation for success.
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. Really nonsense, you lay a successful foundation by worrying about wins. Mullin did not come here to lose, I understand there will be real growing pains but believe me all our coaches and players will "play to win the game."
 
Yup!

@franfraschilla: Coaches: Your first year in a rebuilding job is a "survival year." Don't worry about wins as much as laying down a foundation for success.
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. Really nonsense, you lay a successful foundation by worrying about wins. Mullin did not come here to lose, I understand there will be real growing pains but believe me all our coaches and players will "play to win the game."
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I don't think he means you don't play to win, just don't lose sight of big picture, if you lose more games than accustomed to in year one. Of course kids & coaches play to win. That's common sense.
 
Yup!

@franfraschilla: Coaches: Your first year in a rebuilding job is a "survival year." Don't worry about wins as much as laying down a foundation for success.
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. Really nonsense, you lay a successful foundation by worrying about wins. Mullin did not come here to lose, I understand there will be real growing pains but believe me all our coaches and players will "play to win the game."
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He is basically saying that whether they win 14 or 17 games the first season it is not what Mullin should be judged on. Did you really take that to mean that Mullin will tell the kids don't worry about winning or losing either way after the game I will take you all out for ice cream?

Like him or hate him I think Fran has done a good job from the the things I have read of trying to protect Mullin this first season.
 
@franfraschilla: Coaches: Your first year in a rebuilding job is a "survival year." Don't worry about wins as much as laying down a foundation for success.
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Fallacy

When presenting an argument, whether orally or in writing, the goal is to convince an audience to agree with a point of view. To do that, we must appeal to our audience's sense of logic. They must see for themselves why what we're arguing is valid.

There are quite a few ways to construct valid logical arguments. We can present reliable evidence, use measured reasoning, concede other points, etc. But likewise, there are many ways to fail at constructing logical arguments; to construct arguments that might at first seem logical but in fact, make no sense. When we make the latter kind of argument, it is called committing a fallacy.

There are several kinds of fallacies, but this lesson will focus on what's called an either/or fallacy, whereby the arguer characterizes a complex problem with many possible solutions, as having only two possible solutions
 
Yup!

@franfraschilla: Coaches: Your first year in a rebuilding job is a "survival year." Don't worry about wins as much as laying down a foundation for success.
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@franfraschilla: ".....so no need to whip out your junk til year 2."
 
Whatever the number of wins the season should be considered a tremendous success based on the fact less than five months ago a new head coach who had no connection to the current college game was hired.
 
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Yup!

@franfraschilla: Coaches: Your first year in a rebuilding job is a "survival year." Don't worry about wins as much as laying down a foundation for success.
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. Really nonsense, you lay a successful foundation by worrying about wins. Mullin did not come here to lose, I understand there will be real growing pains but believe me all our coaches and players will "play to win the game."
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He is basically saying that whether they win 14 or 17 games the first season it is not what Mullin should be judged on. Did you really take that to mean that Mullin will tell the kids don't worry about winning or losing either way after the game I will take you all out for ice cream?

Like him or hate him I think Fran has done a good job from the the things I have read of trying to protect Mullin this first season.
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Thank you.
 
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