THIS Season (formerly Next Season)

So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.
 
So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.

I hope you're right.
 
So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.

You can get all the other kids including Ellison, miss on Cheik and we are basement at best in the BE! We don't know which Jordan shows up next season! We need Diallo or this rebuild will take years
 
So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.

You can get all the other kids including Ellison, miss on Cheik and we are basement at best in the BE! We don't know which Jordan shows up next season! We need Diallo or this rebuild will take years
Thanks for heads up. I guess I won't renew my tickets. Mullin in his month here has been abject failure. :)
 
So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.

You can get all the other kids including Ellison, miss on Cheik and we are basement at best in the BE! We don't know which Jordan shows up next season! We need Diallo or this rebuild will take years
Thanks for heads up. I guess I won't renew my tickets. Mullin in his month here has been abject failure. :)

I didn't say that. I just said next season will be a wash out unless Diallo comes. Who knows about the following season. I think Mullin is doing way more than Lavin or Norm did. He is non stop and always getting media attention which is a good thing. I am sure he is waiting for the NBA playoffs to hire his final assistant, and that could be huge. I was just stating the obvious that without Diallo I wouldn't expect much.
 
So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.

You can get all the other kids including Ellison, miss on Cheik and we are basement at best in the BE! We don't know which Jordan shows up next season! We need Diallo or this rebuild will take years
Thanks for heads up. I guess I won't renew my tickets. Mullin in his month here has been abject failure. :)

I didn't say that. I just said next season will be a wash out unless Diallo comes. Who knows about the following season. I think Mullin is doing way more than Lavin or Norm did. He is non stop and always getting media attention which is a good thing. I am sure he is waiting for the NBA playoffs to hire his final assistant, and that could be huge. I was just stating the obvious that without Diallo I wouldn't expect much.

You also said "this rebuild will take years"...
 
So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.

You can get all the other kids including Ellison, miss on Cheik and we are basement at best in the BE! We don't know which Jordan shows up next season! We need Diallo or this rebuild will take years
Thanks for heads up. I guess I won't renew my tickets. Mullin in his month here has been abject failure. :)

I didn't say that. I just said next season will be a wash out unless Diallo comes. Who knows about the following season. I think Mullin is doing way more than Lavin or Norm did. He is non stop and always getting media attention which is a good thing. I am sure he is waiting for the NBA playoffs to hire his final assistant, and that could be huge. I was just stating the obvious that without Diallo I wouldn't expect much.

At a time when the future has never looked brighter, why do you continue to project a "worst scenario" for next season? Especially when we are still in the mix with so many kids. The way I see it, no matter what this team does next year it will be better then it would have been if the previous staff was still in place.
 
you would be correct if Diallo signs, without him well I would of preferred a back court of Sampson and Jordan to whatever we put on the court. I think a rebuild takes talented recruiters and a bit of luck. Look at Ben Howland he gets a top 10 kid by just being there basically, but that will speed up his rebuild. We could use some luck with Diallo to speed up the rebuild. Wait we were still in the mix for so many kids when people here were calling for Lavin to be fired, I don't remember you chiding them!
 
I'm not ready to write off next year if we don't get Diallo. I don't think Mullin will let this team end up in the basement. We return one of the Big East's best offensive players in Jordan and one of it's best defensive players in Obekpa. If they learned from last year or Mullin gets in their heads and they show up even a bit more mature, those two guys are going to be a major problem for other teams.

I also really think folks may be underestimating the impact Willams and Sima can have right away. Sima will be raw offensively as a freshman, but the one thing he will do at a high level from day one is rebound. That was something we really, really lacked last year. As great as Obekpa is at defending the rim, he's an underwhelming rebounder. You can teach some stuff as far as boxing out and positioning, but most of what makes a great rebounder is instincts and energy. He's got those things. And Williams is a big versatile 3 who can flat out score. He led his JUCO last year with 16 PPG. That may not sound like a ton for a guy trying to make the jump to a big conference but you have to realize that his JUCO (Iowa Western) had 5 guys who averaged in double digits. He led a team that had a lot of guys to feed. He should get more shots with us. If we get Ellison and another good transfer I think we'll be competitive. If we get Diallo, then there's a big leap. Biggest factor though is Mullin is going to be on these guys. You can just feel it. Playing hard won't be optional.
 
you would be correct if Diallo signs, without him well I would of preferred a back court of Sampson and Jordan to whatever we put on the court. I think a rebuild takes talented recruiters and a bit of luck. Look at Ben Howland he gets a top 10 kid by just being there basically, but that will speed up his rebuild. We could use some luck with Diallo to speed up the rebuild. Wait we were still in the mix for so many kids when people here were calling for Lavin to be fired, I don't remember you chiding them!

I assume you're replying to my post. I think most fans, including me, were prepared that things could get worse before they get better. Although based on what we've seen so far, I still think most of us are confident that we'll field a competitive team next year. You can continue to pine over the departure of our previous coach if you'd like, but it just sounds like sour grapes at this point.
 
So that means for next year as of now we have
Eligible Scholarship Players
C - Chris Obekpa
C - Yankuba Sima
F - Amar Aligebovic
F - D. Williams
F - Chris Jones
F/G - Felix B
F/G - Ron Mvouika
G - Rysheed Jordan
Scholarship Players not eligible in 2016
F- Tariq Owens
Walk-ons
G - Jay Henderson
Recruits Likely to Sign
F/G - Malik Ellison
Recruits who might sign
F - Cheick Diallo
PG - Federico Missini
PG - Marcus LoVett
C - Georgios Papagiannis

Wow get us Diallo and two guards please. :)
My gut tells me best case for the above will be only Ellison.

Best case? Huh? Ellison seems very likely if you've been reading Paultzman's posts. Best case is getting him and one or two others. Will it happen? Who knows but to write it off at this point is ridiculous.

You can get all the other kids including Ellison, miss on Cheik and we are basement at best in the BE! We don't know which Jordan shows up next season! We need Diallo or this rebuild will take years
Thanks for heads up. I guess I won't renew my tickets. Mullin in his month here has been abject failure. :)

I didn't say that. I just said next season will be a wash out unless Diallo comes. Who knows about the following season. I think Mullin is doing way more than Lavin or Norm did. He is non stop and always getting media attention which is a good thing. I am sure he is waiting for the NBA playoffs to hire his final assistant, and that could be huge. I was just stating the obvious that without Diallo I wouldn't expect much.

At a time when the future has never looked brighter, why do you continue to project a "worst scenario" for next season? Especially when we are still in the mix with so many kids. The way I see it, no matter what this team does next year it will be better then it would have been if the previous staff was still in place.

My feelings 100%.
At times you got the feeling that the previous staff at times really didn't give a crap. You know with Mullin, that he'll work tirelessly to bring sju back.
 
I find "guilty until proven innocent" commentary, by either the Nazi or Stalinist purge trial managers, equally offensive.
 
The lateness of the recruiting process is what is causing my concern. I find it difficult to see us loosing recruits this late when we need to fill the roster. But I have cofidence that Matt & Slice can guide Chris through this process. I really don't want to look forward to several walk-ons. Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
I'm not ready to write off next year if we don't get Diallo. I don't think Mullin will let this team end up in the basement. We return one of the Big East's best offensive players in Jordan and one of it's best defensive players in Obekpa. If they learned from last year or Mullin gets in their heads and they show up even a bit more mature, those two guys are going to be a major problem for other teams.

I also really think folks may be underestimating the impact Willams and Sima can have right away. Sima will be raw offensively as a freshman, but the one thing he will do at a high level from day one is rebound. That was something we really, really lacked last year. As great as Obekpa is at defending the rim, he's an underwhelming rebounder. You can teach some stuff as far as boxing out and positioning, but most of what makes a great rebounder is instincts and energy. He's got those things. And Williams is a big versatile 3 who can flat out score. He led his JUCO last year with 16 PPG. That may not sound like a ton for a guy trying to make the jump to a big conference but you have to realize that his JUCO (Iowa Western) had 5 guys who averaged in double digits. He led a team that had a lot of guys to feed. He should get more shots with us. If we get Ellison and another good transfer I think we'll be competitive. If we get Diallo, then there's a big leap. Biggest factor though is Mullin is going to be on these guys. You can just feel it. Playing hard won't be optional.

Nobody should be writing this team off yet. That is just silly in the age of the graduate transfer.
Assuming we land ANY PG (which we will), if we went into the season now (I'll also include Malik Ellison on the roster because I am that confident and I don't expect much from freshmen anyway), I think we are a 16-18 win team that is just a Durand Johnson away from the dance. That doesn't even consider Diallo, who would be a coup.
 
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I'm not ready to write off next year if we don't get Diallo. I don't think Mullin will let this team end up in the basement. We return one of the Big East's best offensive players in Jordan and one of it's best defensive players in Obekpa. If they learned from last year or Mullin gets in their heads and they show up even a bit more mature, those two guys are going to be a major problem for other teams.

I also really think folks may be underestimating the impact Willams and Sima can have right away. Sima will be raw offensively as a freshman, but the one thing he will do at a high level from day one is rebound. That was something we really, really lacked last year. As great as Obekpa is at defending the rim, he's an underwhelming rebounder. You can teach some stuff as far as boxing out and positioning, but most of what makes a great rebounder is instincts and energy. He's got those things. And Williams is a big versatile 3 who can flat out score. He led his JUCO last year with 16 PPG. That may not sound like a ton for a guy trying to make the jump to a big conference but you have to realize that his JUCO (Iowa Western) had 5 guys who averaged in double digits. He led a team that had a lot of guys to feed. He should get more shots with us. If we get Ellison and another good transfer I think we'll be competitive. If we get Diallo, then there's a big leap. Biggest factor though is Mullin is going to be on these guys. You can just feel it. Playing hard won't be optional.

Nobody should be writing this team off yet. That is just silly in the age of the graduate transfer.
Assuming we land ANY PG (which we will), if we went into the season now (I'll also include Malik Ellison on the roster because I am that confident and I don't expect much from freshmen anyway), I think we are a 16-18 win team that is just a Durand Johnson away from the dance. That doesn't even consider Diallo, who would be a coup.

I think we need at least 3 more guys who can get buckets in order to have realistic NCAA hopes. If Diallo and Lovett are 2 of the 3, I'd feel pretty good. If only one, less so.
 
I do not see us getting Diallo due to lack of depth at this stage.
 
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I'm not ready to write off next year if we don't get Diallo. I don't think Mullin will let this team end up in the basement. We return one of the Big East's best offensive players in Jordan and one of it's best defensive players in Obekpa. If they learned from last year or Mullin gets in their heads and they show up even a bit more mature, those two guys are going to be a major problem for other teams.

I also really think folks may be underestimating the impact Willams and Sima can have right away. Sima will be raw offensively as a freshman, but the one thing he will do at a high level from day one is rebound. That was something we really, really lacked last year. As great as Obekpa is at defending the rim, he's an underwhelming rebounder. You can teach some stuff as far as boxing out and positioning, but most of what makes a great rebounder is instincts and energy. He's got those things. And Williams is a big versatile 3 who can flat out score. He led his JUCO last year with 16 PPG. That may not sound like a ton for a guy trying to make the jump to a big conference but you have to realize that his JUCO (Iowa Western) had 5 guys who averaged in double digits. He led a team that had a lot of guys to feed. He should get more shots with us. If we get Ellison and another good transfer I think we'll be competitive. If we get Diallo, then there's a big leap. Biggest factor though is Mullin is going to be on these guys. You can just feel it. Playing hard won't be optional.

Nobody should be writing this team off yet. That is just silly in the age of the graduate transfer.
Assuming we land ANY PG (which we will), if we went into the season now (I'll also include Malik Ellison on the roster because I am that confident and I don't expect much from freshmen anyway), I think we are a 16-18 win team that is just a Durand Johnson away from the dance. That doesn't even consider Diallo, who would be a coup.

I think we need at least 3 more guys who can get buckets in order to have realistic NCAA hopes. If Diallo and Lovett are 2 of the 3, I'd feel pretty good. If only one, less so.

At least three more guys who can get buckets? Just to have realistic NCAA hopes? That seems like overkill. Most teams in the dance only have 2-3 guys that can consistently get buckets. Some elite teams are more fortunate. We have upperclassmen NBA prospects at the 1 and 5. Adding Williams--who I think many on this board are sleeping on--gives us a solid rotation at the four. M'Vouika can hit the outside shot and gives us good depth at the 2 and 3, but we still lack a starter that is a bonafide scorer/shooter. Enter Durand Johnson. Add Ellison for depth at the 2 and 3, and pick up a solid point that can distribute make open shots (Lovett or Mussini would be great). That's all we need to dance. Simple as that. Diallo is just the cherry on top.
 
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I'm not ready to write off next year if we don't get Diallo. I don't think Mullin will let this team end up in the basement. We return one of the Big East's best offensive players in Jordan and one of it's best defensive players in Obekpa. If they learned from last year or Mullin gets in their heads and they show up even a bit more mature, those two guys are going to be a major problem for other teams.

I also really think folks may be underestimating the impact Willams and Sima can have right away. Sima will be raw offensively as a freshman, but the one thing he will do at a high level from day one is rebound. That was something we really, really lacked last year. As great as Obekpa is at defending the rim, he's an underwhelming rebounder. You can teach some stuff as far as boxing out and positioning, but most of what makes a great rebounder is instincts and energy. He's got those things. And Williams is a big versatile 3 who can flat out score. He led his JUCO last year with 16 PPG. That may not sound like a ton for a guy trying to make the jump to a big conference but you have to realize that his JUCO (Iowa Western) had 5 guys who averaged in double digits. He led a team that had a lot of guys to feed. He should get more shots with us. If we get Ellison and another good transfer I think we'll be competitive. If we get Diallo, then there's a big leap. Biggest factor though is Mullin is going to be on these guys. You can just feel it. Playing hard won't be optional.

Nobody should be writing this team off yet. That is just silly in the age of the graduate transfer.
Assuming we land ANY PG (which we will), if we went into the season now (I'll also include Malik Ellison on the roster because I am that confident and I don't expect much from freshmen anyway), I think we are a 16-18 win team that is just a Durand Johnson away from the dance. That doesn't even consider Diallo, who would be a coup.

I think we need at least 3 more guys who can get buckets in order to have realistic NCAA hopes. If Diallo and Lovett are 2 of the 3, I'd feel pretty good. If only one, less so.

At least three more guys who can get buckets? Just to have realistic NCAA hopes? That seems like overkill. Most teams in the dance only have 2-3 guys that can consistently get buckets. Some elite teams are more fortunate. We have upperclassmen NBA prospects at the 1 and 5. Adding Williams--who I think many on this board are sleeping on--gives us a solid rotation at the four. M'Vouika can hit the outside shot and gives us good depth at the 2 and 3, but we still lack a starter that is a bonafide scorer/shooter. Enter Durand Johnson. Add Ellison for depth at the 2 and 3, and pick up a solid point that can distribute make open shots (Lovett or Mussini would be great). That's all we need to dance. Simple as that. Diallo is just the cherry on top.
That is a ton of optimism. First which Jordan do we get? The euro-walking selfish one we saw at the beginning of the season, or the version under DLO wing(hope to see that version). Obekpa is no offensive threat, blocks shots and unless his offensive game improves will only see the NDBL. So we have one scorer coming back. Durand is no stud! He is a piece who wouldn't sniff the court on an elite team. I may seem pessimistic but I hear everyone saying we will be good next season, and without Diallo that isn't possible. Ellison is a 3 star and outside the top 100. Amar may be ok but this team without Diallo will have exactly one scorer of BE caliber. Will we get a matured Obekpa or one who we have seen break our hearts? Too many question marks to say we have a chance to be out of the basement! Lovett may not even qualify. I wish I was wrong, as there is nothing I want to witness before I leave this earth than SJU playing deep into March. Praying for Diallo to take the chance Mullin did twice, once as a player and now as a coach picking SJU
 
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