The beginning of the end for Lavin?

 Lavin isn't going anywhere.
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Not in the immediacy no, but if this becomes a pattern, you just wonder...

I also wonder what Harrington's reaction to all of this is. A lot of us on here thought, that as long as Norm brought in eligable players who stayed out of trouble, he was safe. Some also believe that Norm's firing was done over his explicite objection. I can't imagine him reacting well to this, but since these seem like good kids, and he wouldn't want to eat all that money, my guess is that he will wait to see if/when this becomes a repeated pattern.
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Ahhh...its about Norm. Now this ridiculous thread makes more sense. :sick:

Well lets end the debate/concerns for you right now.

If Harrington didn't can Norm/Jarvis for enrolling recruits with doctored transcripts (Kitchen and Epperson). He's really not likely to do it to Lavin now is he? :whistle: 
 
I enjoyed the Lavin era.

But now I really think we need an unproven assistant coach to clean up this mess.
 
 Calm down.
These kids weren't arrested, they are academically ineligible.
From ALL reports, these are good kids.
So they didn't qualify.
What do you want Lavin to do, recruit kids only from Science H.S.?
 
I'm disgusted as anyone. And even Lavin has to take some blame for trying to bring in question marks. But he was also tasked with filling out a team. The alternative was getting a MAAC level player. He proved he can swing for the fences. I would have hoped he covered himself better especially when arguably two of your top 3 post men are now out in Pelle and Sampson. I'm not happy and most definitely can be called the first mistake. But the beginning of the end? Thats a bit much.
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My sentiments exactly on this situation.
 
Are you for real?

Lavin takes commitments a YEAR in advance. Commits to kids, and they commit to him/us, because everyone believes they will be eligible when the time comes.

Sometimes they don't make it. That's life in the big leagues of BIG TIME college basketball. Sometimes your estimations on a kid and his ability to achieve eligibility don't pan out. How is that a reflection on Lavin, unless of course he tried something unethical or illegal to get him past the NCAA clearing house? I don't imagine you are actually worried about that are you?
 
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No, what actually worries me is that Lavin DIDN'T play dirty, WRT the NCAA clearinghouse.

If you look at us and UCONN right now, you'd think we'd be the team that was just slapped with NCAA probation. Yet, UCONN just circumvented the rules (legally, to be fair) to land a stud player, and their team is all the better for it. I hate Calhoun with a passion, but that's exactly the type of guy I'd want leading my program. Even if they took away victories later, I wouldn't like that, but you can't take away the memories of what was.

I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him. Admittadly, I have no evidence on this. I just hope it doesn't become a pattern of us swinging for the fences, and always striking out. 

BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do. Those of you who know me/see me at the games can attest to that. Just like nobody wanted to see Norm and company succeed more then I did. Same with Jarvis, Fran, et al. 
 
 Can any of the Mods delete this f*kg ridiculous thread? The remaining players for the first semester alone are better than any players Roberts signed!
 
Wow -  Complete overreaction....Like Lavin and St. John's were the only ones after these kids...This happens every year at colleges all over the country...It's just that Lavin had to bring in a huge 9 man class that it was 3 guys who didn't qualify

This will only make Lavin more resolute
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Certainly an overreaction. Some people are quick to run to the ledge and give up.

You see people's true character in times of adversity
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No doubt!
 
 Can any of the Mods delete this f*kg ridiculous thread? The remaining players for the first semester alone are better than any players Roberts signed!
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I agree with that last point.

I just think that the staff wanted to full-court press, and use a deep bench to their advantage this year (constant pressure = constant subbing). Now they can't do that, and I'm skeptical as to weather or not these guys can play more of a halfcourt game (which they will be required to do more so now). Hopefully, the guys that are here now can build a repore together, and if the other three come back, they can blend in nicley

That is you're best hope. However, I had low expectations for this year anyway, because we were so young. Now, this may cost us another year before we get back to being a national power again (I was banking on 2012-2013 for that, may have to go one year further now, or at least, later in that year).
 
Are you for real?

Lavin takes commitments a YEAR in advance. Commits to kids, and they commit to him/us, because everyone believes they will be eligible when the time comes.

Sometimes they don't make it. That's life in the big leagues of BIG TIME college basketball. Sometimes your estimations on a kid and his ability to achieve eligibility don't pan out. How is that a reflection on Lavin, unless of course he tried something unethical or illegal to get him past the NCAA clearing house? I don't imagine you are actually worried about that are you?
 
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No, what actually worries me is that Lavin DIDN'T play dirty, WRT the NCAA clearinghouse.

If you look at us and UCONN right now, you'd think we'd be the team that was just slapped with NCAA probation. Yet, UCONN just circumvented the rules (legally, to be fair) to land a stud player, and their team is all the better for it. I hate Calhoun with a passion, but that's exactly the type of guy I'd want leading my program. Even if they took away victories later, I wouldn't like that, but you can't take away the memories of what was.

I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him. Admittadly, I have no evidence on this. I just hope it doesn't become a pattern of us swinging for the fences, and always striking out. 

BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do. Those of you who know me/see me at the games can attest to that. Just like nobody wanted to see Norm and company succeed more then I did. Same with Jarvis, Fran, et al. 
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I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him.
BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do.

Are you serious?
Wow, some of these posts are scary.
 
 So we swing for the fences and grab a 1/2 dozen very good players Rather than not swing and grab 9 players that can't compete in the league
 
Are you for real?

Lavin takes commitments a YEAR in advance. Commits to kids, and they commit to him/us, because everyone believes they will be eligible when the time comes.

Sometimes they don't make it. That's life in the big leagues of BIG TIME college basketball. Sometimes your estimations on a kid and his ability to achieve eligibility don't pan out. How is that a reflection on Lavin, unless of course he tried something unethical or illegal to get him past the NCAA clearing house? I don't imagine you are actually worried about that are you?
 
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No, what actually worries me is that Lavin DIDN'T play dirty, WRT the NCAA clearinghouse.

If you look at us and UCONN right now, you'd think we'd be the team that was just slapped with NCAA probation. Yet, UCONN just circumvented the rules (legally, to be fair) to land a stud player, and their team is all the better for it. I hate Calhoun with a passion, but that's exactly the type of guy I'd want leading my program. Even if they took away victories later, I wouldn't like that, but you can't take away the memories of what was.

I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him. Admittadly, I have no evidence on this. I just hope it doesn't become a pattern of us swinging for the fences, and always striking out. 

BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do. Those of you who know me/see me at the games can attest to that. Just like nobody wanted to see Norm and company succeed more then I did. Same with Jarvis, Fran, et al. 
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I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him.
BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do.

Are you serious?
Wow, some of these posts are scary.
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Now, you're just picking and choosing, TIS.

I said I had no evidence to back up my claim about playing dirty. I've just always been skeptical of Harrington's acceptance of this from day 1, that's all.

And yes, I certianly have rooted for this team to do well, and win in the past, as I will continue to.
 
I had no clue who SJU61982 was before this thread, but now I'm pretty sure he's a troll and a douche bag. Or at the very least neurotic to the point of driving off all his family and friends. 
 
Are you for real?

Lavin takes commitments a YEAR in advance. Commits to kids, and they commit to him/us, because everyone believes they will be eligible when the time comes.

Sometimes they don't make it. That's life in the big leagues of BIG TIME college basketball. Sometimes your estimations on a kid and his ability to achieve eligibility don't pan out. How is that a reflection on Lavin, unless of course he tried something unethical or illegal to get him past the NCAA clearing house? I don't imagine you are actually worried about that are you?
 
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No, what actually worries me is that Lavin DIDN'T play dirty, WRT the NCAA clearinghouse.

If you look at us and UCONN right now, you'd think we'd be the team that was just slapped with NCAA probation. Yet, UCONN just circumvented the rules (legally, to be fair) to land a stud player, and their team is all the better for it. I hate Calhoun with a passion, but that's exactly the type of guy I'd want leading my program. Even if they took away victories later, I wouldn't like that, but you can't take away the memories of what was.

I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him. Admittadly, I have no evidence on this. I just hope it doesn't become a pattern of us swinging for the fences, and always striking out. 

BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do. Those of you who know me/see me at the games can attest to that. Just like nobody wanted to see Norm and company succeed more then I did. Same with Jarvis, Fran, et al. 
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I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him.
BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do.

Are you serious?
Wow, some of these posts are scary.
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Now, you're just picking and choosing, TIS.

I said I had no evidence to back up my claim about playing dirty. I've just always been skeptical of Harrington's acceptance of this from day 1, that's all.

And yes, I certianly have rooted for this team to do well, and win in the past, as I will continue to.
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I was going to say "don't take this the wrong way" but there is no "wrong way" to take what I'm about to say...

You are either a troll who roots for some other team, or you are the single dumbest poster in the history of this program. As a decade long moderator of this site I can assure you that if its the latter that is no small accomplishment.

Right now I'm on the fence as to which it might be.

Keep in mind that I have no evidence to back up my claim about your stupidity or faux-allegience. I've just always been skeptical of your allegiance to this program from post 1, that's all. :pinch:  
 
Embarrassing. I also think it hurts us with Anderson. He's interested because of those wings, esp. Sampson and now it looks like he's gone. I predict none of these guys ever take the floor for St. Johns.
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You disappear for two years and choose today to come back???? I mean WTF ;)

Did you even come down for the Pauley Pavilion game this year?
 
Are you for real?

Lavin takes commitments a YEAR in advance. Commits to kids, and they commit to him/us, because everyone believes they will be eligible when the time comes.

Sometimes they don't make it. That's life in the big leagues of BIG TIME college basketball. Sometimes your estimations on a kid and his ability to achieve eligibility don't pan out. How is that a reflection on Lavin, unless of course he tried something unethical or illegal to get him past the NCAA clearing house? I don't imagine you are actually worried about that are you?
 
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No, what actually worries me is that Lavin DIDN'T play dirty, WRT the NCAA clearinghouse.

If you look at us and UCONN right now, you'd think we'd be the team that was just slapped with NCAA probation. Yet, UCONN just circumvented the rules (legally, to be fair) to land a stud player, and their team is all the better for it. I hate Calhoun with a passion, but that's exactly the type of guy I'd want leading my program. Even if they took away victories later, I wouldn't like that, but you can't take away the memories of what was.

I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him. Admittadly, I have no evidence on this. I just hope it doesn't become a pattern of us swinging for the fences, and always striking out. 

BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do. Those of you who know me/see me at the games can attest to that. Just like nobody wanted to see Norm and company succeed more then I did. Same with Jarvis, Fran, et al. 
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I think Lavin wants to play dirty, but I have a sneaky feeling that Harrington is not letting him.
BTW, nobody wants to see Lavin and company succeed more then I do.

Are you serious?
Wow, some of these posts are scary.
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Now, you're just picking and choosing, TIS.

I said I had no evidence to back up my claim about playing dirty. I've just always been skeptical of Harrington's acceptance of this from day 1, that's all.

And yes, I certianly have rooted for this team to do well, and win in the past, as I will continue to.
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ALCOHOL!!! WHERES THE ALCOHOL??!!! I NEED IT THROUGH AN IV READING THIS.
 
 The resignation talk is ridiculous but it's a beyond terrible job by Lavin seeing as he lost a huge chunk of the entire class and three top 100 players because they couldn't pass the mark.
 
I just read thru this thread and I must admit I never thought our fans were this fickle. I feel terrible that 3 of our recruits did not qualify but that is the way the ball bounces sometimes. I cannot believe the cynical anti-Lavin talk. The man took over a program that was bleeding and going nowhere...we became irrelevant as a program. A classy guy gets hired to take us back out of the dungeon and we actually have guys talking his demise. I think this is the worst thread I have ever read on this site.I wish there was a way to get rid of it, all of it. This needs to be washed away. Coach Lavin in the event you read us and I am sure you do, I just want to say I am sorry for the nonsense. 
 
 This absolutely sucks, there's no sugarcoating it. Now we have a season with 6 guards and a Juco center. Will this nightmare ever end. We cant deal with any injuries or fouls. Another $600 down the drain.
 
 Can any of the Mods delete this f*kg ridiculous thread? The remaining players for the first semester alone are better than any players Roberts signed!
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I agree with that last point.

I just think that the staff wanted to full-court press, and use a deep bench to their advantage this year (constant pressure = constant subbing). Now they can't do that, and I'm skeptical as to weather or not these guys can play more of a halfcourt game (which they will be required to do more so now). Hopefully, the guys that are here now can build a repore together, and if the other three come back, they can blend in nicley

That is you're best hope. However, I had low expectations for this year anyway, because we were so young. Now, this may cost us another year before we get back to being a national power again (I was banking on 2012-2013 for that, may have to go one year further now, or at least, later in that year).
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 The staff can scour Russia, etc., for a big man that might want to try and qualify for next semester if need be. Part of the international recruiting strategy anyway.
 
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