Texas and Oklahoma Reach Out to Join SEC

[Amaseinyourface]

One thing to remember about WVU is that they are not exactly a academic powerhouse.  I think that specifically turned off the ACC.

You correctly point out how little basketball means in all of this, but academics is gonna put a stop to it?

 

[Mean Gene]

By my count the following big conferences have the following spots open to get to 16 in football

ACC- 1 Spot
B10 - 2 Spots
Pac 12- 4 spots 

With Texas and Oklahoma leaving the B12 that leaves 8 teams but only 7 spots.  So someone might get left totally in the dark.

Baylor- 
Iowa State
Kansas- B10?
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech- Pac 12?
West Virginia- ACC?


 

I think Iowa St. might be the school left in the dark. If the Big 10 is taking Kansas they might as well take Kansas St. and create a natural rivalry alla Michigan and Michigan St. West Virginia goes ACC and Baylor, Texas Tech, OklahomaSt and TCU go to the PAC 12. TCU has the Dallas market so that makes them attractive. Iowa St. really has nothing to offer.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-f...sooners-texas-longhorns-verge-making-sec-move[/URL]

This article mentions the possibility of a 32 team super conference.  I guess that would mean 4 divisions of 8 with a semi final and championship.  That could cut the NCAA out of the picture and destroy the bowl games on 1/1.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

By my count the following big conferences have the following spots open to get to 16 in football

ACC- 1 Spot
B10 - 2 Spots
Pac 12- 4 spots 

With Texas and Oklahoma leaving the B12 that leaves 8 teams but only 7 spots.  So someone might get left totally in the dark.

Baylor- 
Iowa State
Kansas- B10?
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech- Pac 12?
West Virginia- ACC?



 

I think Iowa St. might be the school left in the dark. If the Big 10 is taking Kansas they might as well take Kansas St. and create a natural rivalry alla Michigan and Michigan St. West Virginia goes ACC and Baylor, Texas Tech, OklahomaSt and TCU go to the PAC 12. TCU has the Dallas market so that makes them attractive. Iowa St. really has nothing to offer.

Iowa v Iowa state?

 

[Andrew]

Some conference expansion thoughts.

Kansas is a good fit for the Big 10 of so I think that will happen. Notre Dame would be their dream but that seems unlikely. Back in 2013 they reached out to Virginia and North Carolina. I am sure they would try that again but would either bite?

I think the ACC would consider West Virginia. Thats the only Big 12 school that makes any sense for them. It would boost their football side. They also could consider stealing an SEC school like Kentucky whose football program might be a little more competitive in the ACC and obviously strengthens their basketball profile.

I think the Pac 12 would prefer BYU over the remaining Big 12 schools but they might consider one of the Big 12 schools also. Oklahoma State seems the most appealing. My feeling though is they would more likely consider a Mountain West School like Boise State or San Diego State.

Depending on the what remains of the Big 12 they could try to salvage themselves by adding some AAC or Mountain West Schools but would that be enough to be a power conference in football? 

UCONN seems boxed out unless the ACC were to lose schools to the Big 10 and got very desperate. I could also see the Big East eventually expanding to add a couple of strategic basketball schools. 

 

 

[Andrew]

By my count the following big conferences have the following spots open to get to 16 in football

ACC- 1 Spot
B10 - 2 Spots
Pac 12- 4 spots 

With Texas and Oklahoma leaving the B12 that leaves 8 teams but only 7 spots.  So someone might get left totally in the dark.

Baylor- 
Iowa State
Kansas- B10?
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech- Pac 12?
West Virginia- ACC?




 

I think Iowa St. might be the school left in the dark. If the Big 10 is taking Kansas they might as well take Kansas St. and create a natural rivalry alla Michigan and Michigan St. West Virginia goes ACC and Baylor, Texas Tech, OklahomaSt and TCU go to the PAC 12. TCU has the Dallas market so that makes them attractive. Iowa St. really has nothing to offer.

Iowa v Iowa state?

 Iowa State is in the American Association of Universities which has 66 members and Kansas State is not(Kansas is).  All of the conferences schools are members with the exception of Nebraska which was when it joined. I do not believe they would invite another school that wasn't a member. I don't see them adding Iowa State but it meets a criteria that Kansas State doesn't. 

[URL]https://www.aau.edu/sites/default/files/AAU-Files/Who-We-Are/AAU-Member-List.pdf[/URL]
 

 

[MCNPA]

I don’t see the Big 10 needing nor wanting to add anybody except a Notre Dame which fits academically and geographically. There may come a time when Notre Dame’s hand is forced to do so.

 

[Andrew]

I don’t see the Big 10 needing nor wanting to add anybody except a Notre Dame which fits academically and geographically. There may come a time when Notre Dame’s hand is forced to do so.

I agree Notre Dame is really what they want but adding Kansas basketball is appealing and further damages any chance the Big 12 has to survive. Like I said earlier UNC and Virginia would also be extremely attractive but I sense they would prefer to stay in the ACC.

 

[L J S A]

[URL]https://www.cbssports.com/coll...g-12-teams-when-texas-oklahoma-leave-for-sec/[/URL]

 

[section10]

things move fast when college administrators smell green.
no one wants to be left off the football pot of gold.
IMVHO over/under on ucant leaving the big east is one year.  
lawyers are lining up now to fight the severance fee.
val has already speed dialed dewey, cheathem, and howe.

 

[MCNPA]

I don’t see the Big 10 needing nor wanting to add anybody except a Notre Dame which fits academically and geographically. There may come a time when Notre Dame’s hand is forced to do so.

I agree Notre Dame is really what they want but adding Kansas basketball is appealing and further damages any chance the Big 12 has to survive. Like I said earlier UNC and Virginia would also be extremely attractive but I sense they would prefer to stay in the ACC.

Big 10 cares zero about basketball.  They’re picky about member schools.  Basketball an afterthought which is why I think Kansas has zero shot at that.
 

 

[L J S A]

I didn't think much of Kansas to Big 10, and even less of Iowa St. to Big Ten, but that's a monster conference that will get a lot of March Madness bids.

Kansas                                        Michigan
Nebraska                                     Michigan St.
Iowa                                             Penn St.
Iowa St.                                       Ohio St.
Illinois                                          Rutgers
Northwestern                               Maryland   
Minnesota                                    Purdue
Wisconsin                                    Indiana

 

[JohnnyFan]

When looking at potential Big East acquisitions, the profile should include......

• Schools with solid, well-known programs (good for tv, good for us)
• Schools without football programs 
• Schools that would gain revenue by moving to the BE (good for them)

Two programs that fit this profile are:
VCU
Wichita State​



 

Also , St. Louis and Dayton

St. Louis is also a decent candidate, but Dayton has football.  That makes a move to the BE more complicated. 

 

[Moose]

When looking at potential Big East acquisitions, the profile should include......

• Schools with solid, well-known programs (good for tv, good for us)
• Schools without football programs 
• Schools that would gain revenue by moving to the BE (good for them)

Two programs that fit this profile are:
VCU
Wichita State​




 

Also , St. Louis and Dayton

St. Louis is also a decent candidate, but Dayton has football.  That makes a move to the BE more complicated. 

But Dayton football is FCS or whatever D2 is called these days. 

 

[RedStormNC]

Yeah...Dayton football is FCS sub division in Pioneer League.  Nova has FCS football in CAA conf, as does Georgetown in Patriot League.

 

[JohnnyFan]

When looking at potential Big East acquisitions, the profile should include......

• Schools with solid, well-known programs (good for tv, good for us)
• Schools without football programs 
• Schools that would gain revenue by moving to the BE (good for them)

Two programs that fit this profile are:
VCU
Wichita State​






 

Also , St. Louis and Dayton

St. Louis is also a decent candidate, but Dayton has football.  That makes a move to the BE more complicated. 

But Dayton football is FCS or whatever D2 is called these days. 

Good point....I didn't realize that.   They could be a good fit.

 

[fordham96]

Another good point someone made look for ACC to make a serious push to add ND football.

ND has contractual obligations with ACC so if they are going to join a conference for football it will be ACC not B10.  

 

[MCNPA]

Another good point someone made look for ACC to make a serious push to add ND football.

ND has contractual obligations with ACC so if they are going to join a conference for football it will be ACC not B10.  

Disagree. Only place Notre Dame would possibly agree to park their flagship is the Big 10.  Can’t see them ever joining the ACC despite the obligation for other sports. Maybe I’m wrong but if they were going to become a full member anywhere, I think they’d try to find a way out of the ACC thing and it would be the Big 10.  As of now I still think they stay independent and can afford to bide their time.

 

[RedStormNC]

Sports Illustrated

Notre Dame And The Big Ten - Part III: Independence Is Not For Sale

www.si.com/college/notredame/.amp/football/notre-dame-football-big-ten-independence-is-not-for-sale

 

[paultzman]

The Aaron Burr & Hamilton pre duel meeting was “cordial” also;



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