TEMPLE TO BIG EAST

[lawmanfan]

Here's the final four appearance by the proposed hoops conference schools:

Butler - 2
Dayton -1
DePaul -2
Gtown - 5
Marq - 3
ND - 1
Nova - 5
Seton Hall - 1
SJU - 2
Xavier - 0
Providence - 2

 

True, but when Dayton, DePaul, Seton Hall, SJU and Providence last went to a Final 4 the Commodore 64 was a hot item.

 

[logen]

 Again, Xavier does not have football. They are not an option.

 

Exactly. We'll have 18 basketball teams when all is said and done if my count is correct. Xavier is a nice program, but what good does it do for us to add a 19th team at this point unless they can stregthen the football side; and thus prevent UCONN & Lousiville from leaving?

If we start reaching out to Xavier that will tell me a split between football and non-football schools is on it's way...

 
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Word continues to circulate that Louisville is Big XII bound. Some sources are pointing to an announcement being made as early as next month. Their expected loss may have been the reason for the invite to Temple.

BE has not reached out to Xavier or any other non-fb playing schools. Unless all schools agreed to disband the league it's doubtful they'll be a split. Each bb school would have to pay the league $5 million to leave. Most of he Catholic schools don't have that money to spend.

 

Some definite irony in that because Pitino has worked hard behind the scenes to keep the BE viable. Obviously, he is not the one making the decision, those are the people who will benefit with the big bonus from the short term windfall. I still say this is all leading to a breakout of the major football conferences from the NCAA.

 

[kranmars]

Here's the final four appearance by the proposed hoops conference schools:

Butler - 2
Dayton -1
DePaul -2
Gtown - 5
Marq - 3
ND - 1
Nova - 5
Seton Hall - 1
SJU - 2
Xavier - 0
Providence - 2

 

True, but when Dayton, DePaul, Seton Hall, SJU and Providence last went to a Final 4 the Commodore 64 was a hot item.

 

I am sorry. Do you mean this?

Or this?

 

[lawmanfan]

 you, my friend, are a brick .... house. :-c

 

[kranmars]

 you, my friend, are a brick .... house. :-c

 

I have nothing for you. I checked the names of the many other Commodores songs, and they, well, quite frankly didn't have the same manly title as "Brick House." :ngrin:

 

[austour]

Let's make it clear. No one believes the basketball schools have any intention of leaving until they are the only ones left. They'll keep the BE name if and when the FB teams all leave.

 

[lawmanfan]

 you, my friend, are a brick .... house. :-c

 

I have nothing for you. I checked the names of the many other Commodores songs, and they, well, quite frankly didn't have the same manly title as "Brick House." :ngrin:

 

Well I will just "sail on" then.

 

[salty dog]

 Again, Xavier does not have football. They are not an option.

 

Exactly. We'll have 18 basketball teams when all is said and done if my count is correct. Xavier is a nice program, but what good does it do for us to add a 19th team at this point unless they can stregthen the football side; and thus prevent UCONN & Lousiville from leaving?

If we start reaching out to Xavier that will tell me a split between football and non-football schools is on it's way...

 
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Word continues to circulate that Louisville is Big XII bound. Some sources are pointing to an announcement being made as early as next month. Their expected loss may have been the reason for the invite to Temple.

BE has not reached out to Xavier or any other non-fb playing schools. Unless all schools agreed to disband the league it's doubtful they'll be a split. Each bb school would have to pay the league $5 million to leave. Most of he Catholic schools don't have that money to spend.

 


They would have it if their was a pot of gold waiting for them like these other schools are expecting to get.

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

College football rules.......two reasons.......(1) t.v. ratings and (2) betting. Ratings come from betting, plus much fewer games, and Saturday offerings NFL (and their bettors) play on Sundays.

T.V. ratings high because football is a great game for the t.v. set. (I just dated myself).

Whatever we do, BE football is not going to be competitive with the huge state schools in the midwest and southeast.

We should have had a visionary (say Steve Jobs) instead of a functionary as BE Commissioner (IMHO). 

 

[rcatalano]

 Correction, Nova only has 3 Final 4 appearances. They vacated in 1971

 

[kcmarq09]

I hope that happens, the Catholic League (and Buttler) would be totally irrelevant by 2016

Butler
Dayton
DePaul
Gtown
Marq
ND
Nova
Seton Hall
SJU
Xavier

 

You can count the Final Four appearances of the schools you list for the past quarter-century on the fingers of one hand - and that includes Butler's recent unlikely-to-be-repeated-anytime-soon success.

It may give you all warm fuzzy nostalgic feelings, but in the world of modern college sports, this league would be a one-bid league within 5 years, and probably less. That's just the way it is.

 

1 bid league? Really?? That's stretching it a bit.
It's not a power conference any longer, I'll give you that but for starters there are 7 or 8 Final Fours in the last 25 years from those teams, where as the PAC 10, SEC, Big 12 - are probably around 10-13. And in each case they are driven by one team with over half the appearances, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA.

It's not a one bid league. 7 of those teams made the tournament last year. Conferences like the MWC, WCC, and the A10 are getting 3 bids each in a given year.

This is a solid if not great conference. It falls behind the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac12 but that's it.

I'm not advocating it. But if it came to it, this wouldn't be an awful landing place for us. A ton of major markets are represented, and we share more in common academically/athletically/financially with many of these teams then we do with UCONN or Louisville 

 


Marquette fan here. I have fun talking about this w/ other basketball-only school fans (since its likely a possibility at some point in the next 10 years).

Agreed w/ above, its not ideal, but at what point does keeping the football schools make it worth it? Its not like the basketball-only schools get that much money from the TV "football-driven" deal anyways (somewhere around $1-2 million) and if either UConn or Ville finally do leave, the BBall onlies will be the only valuable basketball properties. USF, SMU, Houston, etc are not bringing in the money for the basketball schools - and certainly not the exposure. It would be great to form this bball-only conference w/ Temple, Memphis, UMass, etc - but will they want to be part of it once UConn and Ville go?

I think the more Marq-St John, Nova-Xavier, Butler-GTown matchups we can make the better. I think there will be something to be said for being THE basketball conference in the country. At the end of the day, this league will be powerful as long as Notre Dame is part of it, and will still be solidly valuable without them. Hell, it would be great to find someway to bring Gonzaga in as well (does BYU want to be ND to the west?). 

 

[ZanMan]

Hell, it would be great to find someway to bring Gonzaga in as well (does BYU want to be ND to the west?). 

 

I personally have no desire to ever see them on the court again. I still have nightmares about our last couple of encounters with them, especially in the 2000 NCAAs.

Then again, you know what they say about payback. Could be interesting.

 

[tom in salem]

I hope that happens, the Catholic League (and Buttler) would be totally irrelevant by 2016

Butler
Dayton
DePaul
Gtown
Marq
ND
Nova
Seton Hall
SJU
Xavier

 

You can count the Final Four appearances of the schools you list for the past quarter-century on the fingers of one hand - and that includes Butler's recent unlikely-to-be-repeated-anytime-soon success.

It may give you all warm fuzzy nostalgic feelings, but in the world of modern college sports, this league would be a one-bid league within 5 years, and probably less. That's just the way it is.

 

1 bid league? Really?? That's stretching it a bit.
It's not a power conference any longer, I'll give you that but for starters there are 7 or 8 Final Fours in the last 25 years from those teams, where as the PAC 10, SEC, Big 12 - are probably around 10-13. And in each case they are driven by one team with over half the appearances, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA.

It's not a one bid league. 7 of those teams made the tournament last year. Conferences like the MWC, WCC, and the A10 are getting 3 bids each in a given year.

This is a solid if not great conference. It falls behind the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac12 but that's it.

I'm not advocating it. But if it came to it, this wouldn't be an awful landing place for us. A ton of major markets are represented, and we share more in common academically/athletically/financially with many of these teams then we do with UCONN or Louisville 

 


Marquette fan here. I have fun talking about this w/ other basketball-only school fans (since its likely a possibility at some point in the next 10 years).

Agreed w/ above, its not ideal, but at what point does keeping the football schools make it worth it? Its not like the basketball-only schools get that much money from the TV "football-driven" deal anyways (somewhere around $1-2 million) and if either UConn or Ville finally do leave, the BBall onlies will be the only valuable basketball properties. USF, SMU, Houston, etc are not bringing in the money for the basketball schools - and certainly not the exposure. It would be great to form this bball-only conference w/ Temple, Memphis, UMass, etc - but will they want to be part of it once UConn and Ville go?

I think the more Marq-St John, Nova-Xavier, Butler-GTown matchups we can make the better. I think there will be something to be said for being THE basketball conference in the country. At the end of the day, this league will be powerful as long as Notre Dame is part of it, and will still be solidly valuable without them. Hell, it would be great to find someway to bring Gonzaga in as well (does BYU want to be ND to the west?). 

 


Want to see Buzz on dancing with the stars.

 

[1and1sju]

I hope that happens, the Catholic League (and Buttler) would be totally irrelevant by 2016

Butler
Dayton
DePaul
Gtown
Marq
ND
Nova
Seton Hall
SJU
Xavier

 

You can count the Final Four appearances of the schools you list for the past quarter-century on the fingers of one hand - and that includes Butler's recent unlikely-to-be-repeated-anytime-soon success.

It may give you all warm fuzzy nostalgic feelings, but in the world of modern college sports, this league would be a one-bid league within 5 years, and probably less. That's just the way it is.

 

1 bid league? Really?? That's stretching it a bit.
It's not a power conference any longer, I'll give you that but for starters there are 7 or 8 Final Fours in the last 25 years from those teams, where as the PAC 10, SEC, Big 12 - are probably around 10-13. And in each case they are driven by one team with over half the appearances, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA.

It's not a one bid league. 7 of those teams made the tournament last year. Conferences like the MWC, WCC, and the A10 are getting 3 bids each in a given year.

This is a solid if not great conference. It falls behind the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac12 but that's it.

I'm not advocating it. But if it came to it, this wouldn't be an awful landing place for us. A ton of major markets are represented, and we share more in common academically/athletically/financially with many of these teams then we do with UCONN or Louisville 

 


Marquette fan here. I have fun talking about this w/ other basketball-only school fans (since its likely a possibility at some point in the next 10 years).

Agreed w/ above, its not ideal, but at what point does keeping the football schools make it worth it? Its not like the basketball-only schools get that much money from the TV "football-driven" deal anyways (somewhere around $1-2 million) and if either UConn or Ville finally do leave, the BBall onlies will be the only valuable basketball properties. USF, SMU, Houston, etc are not bringing in the money for the basketball schools - and certainly not the exposure. It would be great to form this bball-only conference w/ Temple, Memphis, UMass, etc - but will they want to be part of it once UConn and Ville go?

I think the more Marq-St John, Nova-Xavier, Butler-GTown matchups we can make the better. I think there will be something to be said for being THE basketball conference in the country. At the end of the day, this league will be powerful as long as Notre Dame is part of it, and will still be solidly valuable without them. Hell, it would be great to find someway to bring Gonzaga in as well (does BYU want to be ND to the west?). 

 

I agree with you, it's not ideal but eventually it may be the best solution.
For now though I think the Big East actually did a decent job of solidifying it's weaknesses. Houston and Boise State are perennial top 25 football programs lately, and have piled up a bunch of 1 or 2 loss seasons when they thought they should be BCS bound.
Add in SDSU, SMU, Temple, Memphis etc .. and I think if Lousiville doesn't bolt for the Big 12 we'll be ok for a few years. I don't see UCONN leaving because the ACC and Big 10 don't seem interested in adding an uneven number of teams at this point. And if they did, they'd hold out for ND probably.

Long story short, I don't mind the basketball only conference. There's a lot to like about it in fact. But for the time being, after a lot of missteps, I think the Big East has done a pretty good job of solidifying it's membership. 

BTW - Welcome KCMarq ... always nice to talk with the basketball schools. You guys are loaded, this should be a fun march for you.

 

[tom in salem]

 “I think we were a natural choice to join the Big East months ago,” he says. “It baffles me that they let in some of the schools they did before Temple.”

http://www.csnphilly.com/ncaa/news/...accept-Big-East-inv?blockID=659678&feedID=704

 

[bk8664]

I like how Temple is 22-6 overall and 11-3 in their conference... they are a solid add to the Big East. 

 

[MCNPA]

 “I think we were a natural choice to join the Big East months ago,” he says. “It baffles me that they let in some of the schools they did before Temple.”

http://www.csnphilly.com/ncaa/news/...accept-Big-East-inv?blockID=659678&feedID=704

 

He's entirely right. Temple probably should have been the first school added. They have Villanova to thank for the delay. The result will be a bitter and nasty rivalry between Temple and Nova that should blossom into one of those great matchups over coming year's. It will be great to watch.

 

[ras]

 “I think we were a natural choice to join the Big East months ago,” he says. “It baffles me that they let in some of the schools they did before Temple.”

http://www.csnphilly.com/ncaa/news/...accept-Big-East-inv?blockID=659678&feedID=704

 

He's entirely right. Temple probably should have been the first school added. They have Villanova to thank for the delay. The result will be a bitter and nasty rivalry between Temple and Nova that should blossom into one of those great matchups over coming year's. It will be great to watch.

 One of the few things everybody agrees on. We have all wanted Temple as an addition, best BB of the incomong schools.

 

[kcmarq09]

I hope that happens, the Catholic League (and Buttler) would be totally irrelevant by 2016

Butler
Dayton
DePaul
Gtown
Marq
ND
Nova
Seton Hall
SJU
Xavier

 

You can count the Final Four appearances of the schools you list for the past quarter-century on the fingers of one hand - and that includes Butler's recent unlikely-to-be-repeated-anytime-soon success.

It may give you all warm fuzzy nostalgic feelings, but in the world of modern college sports, this league would be a one-bid league within 5 years, and probably less. That's just the way it is.

 

1 bid league? Really?? That's stretching it a bit.
It's not a power conference any longer, I'll give you that but for starters there are 7 or 8 Final Fours in the last 25 years from those teams, where as the PAC 10, SEC, Big 12 - are probably around 10-13. And in each case they are driven by one team with over half the appearances, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA.

It's not a one bid league. 7 of those teams made the tournament last year. Conferences like the MWC, WCC, and the A10 are getting 3 bids each in a given year.

This is a solid if not great conference. It falls behind the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac12 but that's it.

I'm not advocating it. But if it came to it, this wouldn't be an awful landing place for us. A ton of major markets are represented, and we share more in common academically/athletically/financially with many of these teams then we do with UCONN or Louisville 

 


Marquette fan here. I have fun talking about this w/ other basketball-only school fans (since its likely a possibility at some point in the next 10 years).

Agreed w/ above, its not ideal, but at what point does keeping the football schools make it worth it? Its not like the basketball-only schools get that much money from the TV "football-driven" deal anyways (somewhere around $1-2 million) and if either UConn or Ville finally do leave, the BBall onlies will be the only valuable basketball properties. USF, SMU, Houston, etc are not bringing in the money for the basketball schools - and certainly not the exposure. It would be great to form this bball-only conference w/ Temple, Memphis, UMass, etc - but will they want to be part of it once UConn and Ville go?

I think the more Marq-St John, Nova-Xavier, Butler-GTown matchups we can make the better. I think there will be something to be said for being THE basketball conference in the country. At the end of the day, this league will be powerful as long as Notre Dame is part of it, and will still be solidly valuable without them. Hell, it would be great to find someway to bring Gonzaga in as well (does BYU want to be ND to the west?). 

 

I agree with you, it's not ideal but eventually it may be the best solution.
For now though I think the Big East actually did a decent job of solidifying it's weaknesses. Houston and Boise State are perennial top 25 football programs lately, and have piled up a bunch of 1 or 2 loss seasons when they thought they should be BCS bound.
Add in SDSU, SMU, Temple, Memphis etc .. and I think if Lousiville doesn't bolt for the Big 12 we'll be ok for a few years. I don't see UCONN leaving because the ACC and Big 10 don't seem interested in adding an uneven number of teams at this point. And if they did, they'd hold out for ND probably.

Long story short, I don't mind the basketball only conference. There's a lot to like about it in fact. But for the time being, after a lot of missteps, I think the Big East has done a pretty good job of solidifying it's membership. 

BTW - Welcome KCMarq ... always nice to talk with the basketball schools. You guys are loaded, this should be a fun march for you.

 

Thanks, I'll be rooting for you guys to get back in the national scene soon. Having GTown, Nova, Marquette, Xavier, SJU, etc., doing well is good for all of us

 

[tom in salem]

 Temple has given the Big East a verbal agreement it will join the league in 2012, but an official announcement can not be made until the Owls finalize their settlement to leave the Mid-American Conference, sources told CBSSports.com.

The Big East wants to make the announcement that Temple is joining by Monday so it won’t conflict with the Big East men’s basketball tournament, which starts Tuesday in New York. Whether it will happen that quickly depends on the Owls’ negotiations with the MAC.

The MAC’s exit fee is $2.5 million for schools that provide two years notice. However, there is no specific penalty for a school leaving with less than two years notice, a source told CBSSports.com.

Temple was a Big East football-only member from 1991-2004 and the plan was for Temple to join the Big East in all sports in 2012. The Owls' football program competes in the MAC and their Olympic sports are in the Atlantic 10 Conference. To leave the Atlantic 10 with less than a year’s notice costs $2 million, a source said, while it’s $1 million if more than a year’s notice is given.

Because of the difference in exit fees Temple would pay the A-10, there remains a possibility Temple could join the Big East in football this fall, but its Olympic sports wouldn’t join the Big East until 2013.

MAC commissioner Jon Steinbrecher and Big East commissioner John Marinatto declined comment.

The reason the Big East needs Temple in its football league this fall is to replace West Virginia, which left for the Big 12, on the conference schedule. Without West Virginia, the Big East would have only seven league members and six conference games. With Temple, it will have eight schools and seven league games.

On Friday, Syracuse released its complete five-game non-conference schedule. The Big East has told league schools that they will play seven conference games, meaning an additional member would be added for this fall.

“The Big East has to assist us with that (seventh) conference game, whatever that is,” Syracuse said deputy athletic director Herman Frazier told the Syracuse Post-Standard.

Frazier told the Post-Standard he expects the Big East to make an announcement in the next seven to 10 days.

However, it will happen much quicker if the Owls can hammer out a settlement with the MAC.

Temple’s Board of Trustees met on Wednesday to discuss the Owls’ “contracts,” the Temple News reported.

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/35063868