TEMPLE TO BIG EAST
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Agree that the Big East wouldn't allow Fordham to host conference games in a 3,400-seat gym, but do you really think it makes sense for a team in the Bronx to host its home games at an arena in Brooklyn? (I understand that we're a Queens school playing in Manhattan, but we don't have to cross two rivers to get there and, besides, there's always been a connection with St. John's and MSG going back to when the school was in Brooklyn and only a few subway stops from MSG. Also, it's a lot easier for many of our fans, myself included, to see a game there than on campus.) Fordham would probably draw more fans if they played on campus than in Brooklyn.
In any event, never see it happening to begin with.
Word on the street is that Syracuse is looking to play their NYC games at the new Brooklyn nets arena, this is completely unconfirmed and only word of mouth as far as i know.
on another note I keep saying that besides temple, Xavier would be another great addition to the Biggest East conference.
on another note I keep saying that besides temple, Xavier would be another great addition to the Biggest East conference.
I was about to post what Della did. The hoops conference is now set with 18. No one who is hoops only is going to leave so any departure from here on out will be a football school that will need to be replaced by a football school (football only or both football and hoops).
To add there's 13 football schools once Navy comes in 2015 so even if one left the conference would still qualify for a conference championship game.
To add there's 13 football schools once Navy comes in 2015 so even if one left the conference would still qualify for a conference championship game.
Exactly. We'll have 18 basketball teams when all is said and done if my count is correct. Xavier is a nice program, but what good does it do for us to add a 19th team at this point unless they can stregthen the football side; and thus prevent UCONN & Lousiville from leaving?
If we start reaching out to Xavier that will tell me a split between football and non-football schools is on it's way...
tom in salem
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And Marquette, and Providence, and DePaul, and vanillanova and Temple, and yukon, and L'ville
6 since 1986, 7 if you include Providence:
http://www.fanbay.net/ncaa/final4.htm
Looked at another way, your entire league has as many Final 4s since 1986 as Louisville and UConn, combined. As you note there are a number of teams (Duke, UNC, Kentucky) that have as many Final 4s by themselves in that span as your entire league has combined.
Well 7 it is. I don't think the league is as good as the Big East the last half decade .. but it's not a mid major either. Top to bottom I'd argue it's a better league than either the Big 12 or Pac 12. And would regularly compete with the Big 10 and SEC.
The only difference between this conference and the other 5 BCS conferences is it lacks a dominant power. On a whole I'd say it's better than the Big 12, Pac12, or SEC - but those conferences have Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky respectively. So that skews the numbers in terms of championships and Final Four appearances.
Further, I think it'd be a mistake to make it a catholic and butler conference. I'd open it to other non-football schools from the east coast, and schools like ND or Temple who play football elsewhere.
Again, it's a moot point because it looks like the Big East is on much more solid footing for the foreseeable future.
And the power conferences all have an even number of teams and even divisions now so I don't see them looking to expand unless the day ever comes when ND decides to join the Big 10. That'll set the dominoes in motion again.
And last thing - as bad as some of Marinatto's moves/nonmoves have been; nothing compares to the ADs who voted again Penn State in '82. If Penn State were in this league we never would've lost BC, and ND may have joined as a full member. Landscape would be entirely different.
I tend to agree with LMF. The new conference should be:
Duke
UNC
Kansas
OSU
Mich St
UCLA
Kentucky
Florida
Arizona
Syracuse
Uconn
St Johns
But seriously, the one bid league comment was ridiculous however the point is stay with the BE with football teams as long as you can. There is obvious benefit to being in a power conference, even as a 2nd class citizen. However, I agree with those who think if(when) football walks away from the hoops only teams this type of conference will be the best non BCS conference out there.
Remember, there are only 16 teams with more than 4 final four appearances, only 33 in more than 2. It's not as easy as everyone makes it out to be to get there and then get back. Four of the teams with more than 4 will be in the Big East under the new arrangement: Georgetown, Cincy, Louisville and Houston.
UConn and Nova have been to as many final fours as Syracuse (4) and Marquette and Memphis are just one appearance behind.
Here's the final four appearance by the proposed hoops conference schools:
Butler - 2
Dayton -1
DePaul -2
Gtown - 5
Marq - 3
ND - 1
Nova - 5
Seton Hall - 1
SJU - 2
Xavier - 0
Providence - 2
Xavier is behind only BYU and Mizzou with the most NCAA Tourney experiences without a final four. And before anyone says anything, yes this does include appearances that were later vacated by Nova and Memphis. They were there, I saw them and don't care if they later took down the banners.
Duke
UNC
Kansas
OSU
Mich St
UCLA
Kentucky
Florida
Arizona
Syracuse
Uconn
St Johns
But seriously, the one bid league comment was ridiculous however the point is stay with the BE with football teams as long as you can. There is obvious benefit to being in a power conference, even as a 2nd class citizen. However, I agree with those who think if(when) football walks away from the hoops only teams this type of conference will be the best non BCS conference out there.
Remember, there are only 16 teams with more than 4 final four appearances, only 33 in more than 2. It's not as easy as everyone makes it out to be to get there and then get back. Four of the teams with more than 4 will be in the Big East under the new arrangement: Georgetown, Cincy, Louisville and Houston.
UConn and Nova have been to as many final fours as Syracuse (4) and Marquette and Memphis are just one appearance behind.
Here's the final four appearance by the proposed hoops conference schools:
Butler - 2
Dayton -1
DePaul -2
Gtown - 5
Marq - 3
ND - 1
Nova - 5
Seton Hall - 1
SJU - 2
Xavier - 0
Providence - 2
Xavier is behind only BYU and Mizzou with the most NCAA Tourney experiences without a final four. And before anyone says anything, yes this does include appearances that were later vacated by Nova and Memphis. They were there, I saw them and don't care if they later took down the banners.
You can't compare the A-10 haves (Temple, Dayton, Richmond, Xavier, St. Louis) with the A-10 have nots (La Salle, Fordham, St. Joes, Duquesne, St. Bonnys).
A basketball only conference made up of current Big East members could raid the top third of the current A-10 and come up with a pretty darn good league. Oh wait...
A basketball only conference made up of current Big East members could raid the top third of the current A-10 and come up with a pretty darn good league. Oh wait...
Rob Lenhart
Member
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Word continues to circulate that Louisville is Big XII bound. Some sources are pointing to an announcement being made as early as next month. Their expected loss may have been the reason for the invite to Temple.
BE has not reached out to Xavier or any other non-fb playing schools. Unless all schools agreed to disband the league it's doubtful they'll be a split. Each bb school would have to pay the league $5 million to leave. Most of he Catholic schools don't have that money to spend.