Syracuse molestation allegation

Back in the 80s there a spate of criminal prosecutions and civil suits concerning allegations of ritual and satanic child abuse and recovered memory syndrome. Mcmartin is the most well known but there were hundreds of them. They were in the main preposterous on their face - allegations of classrooms full of children being taken to secret unground lairs where they were sexually abused by clowns riding elephants on the one hand; and on the other allegations from adults that they had been so abused when they were children and only managed to remember such abuse under hypnosis or via "therapy." The fantasies of children - who OTOH lie about everything and OTO are taught by their parents to believe in the exitence of magical creatures who remove their teeth from beneath their pillows in exchange for gold - were believed wholeheartedly by adults, perhaps well meaning, but in any event either gullible or stupid enough to believe that children would never lie about such things. The reality is that children lie all the time, and should rarely be believed about anything. In none of the cases of which I am aware were such allegations true.

Which isn't to say that sexual abuse does not occur, but only that normal happy people don't know too much about it. Most children are abused by family members and friends of family, not by devil worshiping strangers who abduct them from playgrounds. A boy is 10 times more likely to be raped by his uncle than by his gym teacher. A child is 10000 times more likely to be abused by a teacher in school than by a priest in the rectory. Male children are abused at about an equal rate as female - odd to consider that homosexuals, who make up 10 percent or so of the population, comprise 50 percent of pedophiles. Shtum, that's a dirty little secret. And minorities are much more likely to be victims, despite the media bleating every time a BHBE girl goes missing.

I have no idea who Bernie Fine is, much less whether he's a rapist. But the reality here is that post PSU alleged victim$ are going to be coming out of the woodwork, seeking nuisance settlements, encouraged by ambulance chasing lawyers. The amount of detail in their stories is no more proof of their veracity than is the amount of detail in War of the Worlds proof that martians invaded New Jersey. And neither is the reaction of their employers, who have no choice but to take action lest they be exposed to further liability.
 
What surprises me is that the mere allegation against Coach Fine has lead to a media frenzy.

In the Penn State scandal the media was triggered by a 23 page Grand Jury Indictment that reads like a horror story and arrest of defendants Sandusky, Curley and Schultz.

With the Syracuse University story, the mere allegation of abuse by Coach fine triggered the onslaught of media coverage.
 
What surprises me is that the mere allegation against Coach Fine has lead to a media frenzy.

In the Penn State scandal the media was triggered by a 23 page Grand Jury Indictment that reads like a horror story and arrest of defendants Sandusky, Curley and Schultz.

With the Syracuse University story, the mere allegation of abuse by Coach fine triggered the onslaught of media coverage.
 

No kidding. It's almost as if media outlets are trying to increase their ratings by sensationalizing a lurid event. If true, that certainly would be unprecedented.
 
The best line I think I heard in this whole sordid investigation was from a reader of the Syracuse Post-Standard story on how numerous former players including Eric Devendorf and Rony Seikaly have publically vouched for Bernie Fine's character.

This reader/poster said that I don't think Bernie Fine would necessarily want Eric Devendorf as a "character witness." LOL!!!
 
  Pretty strong words from Boeheim.

"I know this kid, but I never saw him in any rooms or anything," Boeheim told ESPN. "It is a bunch of a thousand lies that he has told. You don't think it is a little funny that his cousin (relative) is coming forward?

"He supplied four names to the university that would corroborate his story. None of them did ... there is only one side to this story. He is lying."
 
The close relationship of the only accusers (thus far) and the vehement and categorical labelling of the accusations as lies by Boeheim cautions me against jumping to conclusions in this case. 

If Boeheim is right and Bernie Fine is innocent Boeheim's stance deserves admiration and applause.
 
 I have flipped opinion regarding Boeheim.

I did not have a high opinion of him in the early years but today think he is a stand up guy.

Boeheim says what he thinks and is a very loyal guy. He does a ton on charity work. Syracuse basketball will surely miss him when he retires in a couple of years.

Boeheim institutionalized the 2- 3 zone when most college coaches did not understand that the zone defense in college basketball is many times more effective than man to man.

It doesn't surprise me that Boeheim expressed his support for Bernie Fine in a blunt manner.
 
The close relationship of the only accusers (thus far) and the vehement and categorical labelling of the accusations as lies by Boeheim cautions me against jumping to conclusions in this case. 

If Boeheim is right and Bernie Fine is innocent Boeheim's stance deserves admiration and applause.
 

If coach Fine had any "close" relationship with the accuser and even if it were consensual, he is finished at Syracuse. This story was not born yesterday as a offshoot of the PSU story but preceded it by almost seven years. Many people thought the same about a kid named Carlino who accused Bob Oliva and it took years for the truth to surface. It is not unusual for a man with homosexual tendencies to focus on one person for the most part as did Oliva but there is always someone in the past that surfaces in cases like these. If the accusations are indeed false, I feel sorry for coach Fine but no matter the outcome, the negative publicity will likely cause him to retire in the best interests of Syracuse.
If, there is any shred of truth to the relationship, coach Boeheim has put his career on the line and he also would never be able to live it down.
I am just happy this is going on with an ACC bound team and not one of the remaining BE schools.
 
.... Boeheim has put his career on the line and he also would never be able to live it down.
I am just happy this is going on with an ACC bound team and not one of the remaining BE schools.
 

I don't believe that Boeheim would get fired or for that matter that he is concerned about the prospect of being fired. Boeheim has 4 years remaining on his contract. At any time during those remaining 4 years he can quit and assume the title of Senior Associate Athletic Director at the same salary. Long time assistant Mike Hopkin's contract provides that he will assume the head coaching position when Jimmy B quits. I am told by one that certainly know, that Boeheim will likely coach only this and one other season.
 
.... Boeheim has put his career on the line and he also would never be able to live it down.
I am just happy this is going on with an ACC bound team and not one of the remaining BE schools.
 

I don't believe that Boeheim would get fired or for that matter that he is concerned about the prospect of being fired. Boeheim has 4 years remaining on his contract. At any time during those remaining 4 years he can quit and assume the title of Senior Associate Athletic Director at the same salary. Long time assistant Mike Hopkin's contract provides that he will assume the head coaching position when Jimmy B quits. I am told by one that certainly know, that Boeheim will likely coach only this and one other season.
 

I do not think he would get fired either but IF ANYTHING ever happened with the "ball boys", both their careers end with an askerisk just as Joe Pa. I hope they are not true but the alleged victims appear to be slow-witted and easy marks for a predator. After Ernie Lorch, Bob Oliva and Sandusky anything is possible.
 
 Top NYC recruit rejects Syracuse over scandal


By ZACH BRAZILLER

Last Updated: 8:10 AM, November 20, 2011

Posted: 12:06 AM, November 20, 2011







Syracuse was one of the first schools to offer Isaiah Whitehead a scholarship. The Lincoln star’s favorite player is Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks forward and Syracuse alum. And Whitehead has developed a good relationship with the Orange staff.

But in light of the investigation of Syracuse men’s basketball assistant coach Bernie Fine, the nationally ranked sophomore won’t be attending the school, his mother, Ericka Rambert, said. Fine has been accused of allegedly molesting two former ball boys, allegations that Fine and longtime Orange coach Jim Boeheim vehemently deny.



Paul J. Bereswill

BAD EX-’CUSE: Lincoln’s Isaiah Whitehead will not accept a scholarship offer from Syracuse because of the allegations surrounding longtime assistant coach Bernie Fine, says Whitehead’s mother, Ericka Rampert (right).




“They’re definitely off his list,” she said. “Isaiah’s not going there. That’s out of the question. Once you have something like that in the program, you don’t want to be a part of it. You don’t know who else is involved. You don’t know who else knew about it. It’s a lot to deal with.”

Rambert isn’t the only parent, player or coach with those concerns relating to Syracuse or Penn State — which recently fired legendary football coach Joe Paterno for inaction in the wake of his former longtime assistant, Jerry Sandusky, being accused of multiple counts of child molestation.

The two schools have been known to recruit the New York City area furiously — Penn State for football and Syracuse for football and basketball. The Syracuse football team has seven players from the area and Tottenville wide receiver Alvin Cornelius has verbally committed for next year.

Former Cardozo basketball star James Southerland, a junior forward, is expected to play a major role for the Orange this year. Syracuse is also actively recruiting current Cardozo standout Jermaine Lawrence, one of the top juniors in the country.

“If it’s true, it leaves a queasy feeling in my stomach,” Cardozo basketball coach Ron Naclerio said.

Lawrence said he would need to know more before eliminating Syracuse from his list that is 15 schools long. Bronx native Chris McCullough, a top sophomore, echoed that sentiment.

There is much less debate about Penn State. Sandusky has been indicted. School president Graham Spanier was fired for the same reason Paterno was let go. Furthermore, recruits don’t know who will be the coach next year — whether interim coach Tom Bradley will remain or the school will search for someone else.

They don’t know who is responsible for the alleged cover-up, either.

“Their tradition is too rich in history, but the person who contributed that history is no longer there,” said Christ the King tight end Kalief Joyner, who is being recruited by Penn State. “It definitely changed my interest of PSU. It changed a lot of kids’ opinion [in general]. It felt weird watching the game [last] Saturday and not seeing him.”

John Adams wide receiver Shane Hubbard was being recruited by Penn State, and in particular by wide receivers coach Mike McQueary.

Hubbard was in shock when the news broke and McQueary, whom he called “Coach Mike,” was all over ESPN and newspapers nationwide for his role. McQueary told a Pennsylvania grand jury he witnessed Sandusky raping a boy, possibly 10 years old, in a university shower in 2002 and told Paterno about the incident.

“It definitely changed my mind about the school,” Hubbard said. “I don’t know the whole situation, but from the outside it doesn’t look very good. Penn State is one of the best colleges in the country, especially when it comes to football. When something like this happens, it blows your mind.”

Lincoln football coach Shawn O’Connor said the scandal will hurt recruiting for next season.

“You can’t blame new guys for what happened in the past,” he said.

Regardless, the last few weeks have cast doubt on supposedly safe places for coaches and parents to send their players, Rambert said.

“It scares me,” she said. “I don’t know who to trust.”

With additional reporting by Joseph Staszewski.


Read more:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/coll...his_list_sN04VLI8wUui6QbfO1kwPJ#ixzz1eGbMeoOV 
 
I must admit, at 1st I was a bit skeptical about Davis's claims, but after watching the Outside the lines episode this morning, IMO either Davis is one hell of an actor, or there is truth to his claims.  
 
Even with an attitude of "innocent until proven guilty" the fallout from an accusation as serious as sexual abuse of a child has immediate devastating consequences to a program. If the allegations do not go anywhere, the program will recover quickly. I don't blame the kid. I would also imagine that both PSU and SU will see a decline in applications to the school. A neighbor's kid who is a hs senior had PSU at the top of his list, but has now removed it completely.

In this internet fueled media era, allegations like these gain incredible momentum, and reverberate much longer and with more bandwidth. Whether we convict someone in our minds or not, we are unwitting pawns as consumer of information for allegations to destroy people and institutions before their day in court.



 Top NYC recruit rejects Syracuse over scandal


By ZACH BRAZILLER

Last Updated: 8:10 AM, November 20, 2011

Posted: 12:06 AM, November 20, 2011







Syracuse was one of the first schools to offer Isaiah Whitehead a scholarship. The Lincoln star’s favorite player is Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks forward and Syracuse alum. And Whitehead has developed a good relationship with the Orange staff.

But in light of the investigation of Syracuse men’s basketball assistant coach Bernie Fine, the nationally ranked sophomore won’t be attending the school, his mother, Ericka Rambert, said. Fine has been accused of allegedly molesting two former ball boys, allegations that Fine and longtime Orange coach Jim Boeheim vehemently deny.



Paul J. Bereswill

BAD EX-’CUSE: Lincoln’s Isaiah Whitehead will not accept a scholarship offer from Syracuse because of the allegations surrounding longtime assistant coach Bernie Fine, says Whitehead’s mother, Ericka Rampert (right).




“They’re definitely off his list,” she said. “Isaiah’s not going there. That’s out of the question. Once you have something like that in the program, you don’t want to be a part of it. You don’t know who else is involved. You don’t know who else knew about it. It’s a lot to deal with.”

Rambert isn’t the only parent, player or coach with those concerns relating to Syracuse or Penn State — which recently fired legendary football coach Joe Paterno for inaction in the wake of his former longtime assistant, Jerry Sandusky, being accused of multiple counts of child molestation.

The two schools have been known to recruit the New York City area furiously — Penn State for football and Syracuse for football and basketball. The Syracuse football team has seven players from the area and Tottenville wide receiver Alvin Cornelius has verbally committed for next year.

Former Cardozo basketball star James Southerland, a junior forward, is expected to play a major role for the Orange this year. Syracuse is also actively recruiting current Cardozo standout Jermaine Lawrence, one of the top juniors in the country.

“If it’s true, it leaves a queasy feeling in my stomach,” Cardozo basketball coach Ron Naclerio said.

Lawrence said he would need to know more before eliminating Syracuse from his list that is 15 schools long. Bronx native Chris McCullough, a top sophomore, echoed that sentiment.

There is much less debate about Penn State. Sandusky has been indicted. School president Graham Spanier was fired for the same reason Paterno was let go. Furthermore, recruits don’t know who will be the coach next year — whether interim coach Tom Bradley will remain or the school will search for someone else.

They don’t know who is responsible for the alleged cover-up, either.

“Their tradition is too rich in history, but the person who contributed that history is no longer there,” said Christ the King tight end Kalief Joyner, who is being recruited by Penn State. “It definitely changed my interest of PSU. It changed a lot of kids’ opinion [in general]. It felt weird watching the game [last] Saturday and not seeing him.”

John Adams wide receiver Shane Hubbard was being recruited by Penn State, and in particular by wide receivers coach Mike McQueary.

Hubbard was in shock when the news broke and McQueary, whom he called “Coach Mike,” was all over ESPN and newspapers nationwide for his role. McQueary told a Pennsylvania grand jury he witnessed Sandusky raping a boy, possibly 10 years old, in a university shower in 2002 and told Paterno about the incident.

“It definitely changed my mind about the school,” Hubbard said. “I don’t know the whole situation, but from the outside it doesn’t look very good. Penn State is one of the best colleges in the country, especially when it comes to football. When something like this happens, it blows your mind.”

Lincoln football coach Shawn O’Connor said the scandal will hurt recruiting for next season.

“You can’t blame new guys for what happened in the past,” he said.

Regardless, the last few weeks have cast doubt on supposedly safe places for coaches and parents to send their players, Rambert said.

“It scares me,” she said. “I don’t know who to trust.”

With additional reporting by Joseph Staszewski.


Read more:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/coll...his_list_sN04VLI8wUui6QbfO1kwPJ#ixzz1eGbMeoOV 
 
 
I must admit, at 1st I was a bit skeptical about Davis's claims, but after watching the Outside the lines episode this morning, IMO either Davis is one hell of an actor, or there is truth to his claims.  
 

No one knows squat yet! Yes, because this allegation dates back nine years and has resurfaced, it will tarnish coach Fine's reputation forever, even if unfounded.

The real problem with this story is the way Syracuse handled it years ago. There are now hints of a coverup by both the Syracuse police and Syracuse University. If there was any type of coverup, it could be just as damaging to the program.
 
Interesting to see Boeheim characterize this as a money grab by the accusers. What does he think Syracuse University just did with the ACC. They surely are not going for the academics like BC claimed they were. 
 
Interesting to see Boeheim characterize this as a money grab by the accusers. What does he think Syracuse University just did with the ACC. They surely are not going for the academics like BC claimed they were. 
 

The difference is that Syracuse "voluntarily" submitted itself to rape by the ACC for money. As for Boston College, it is obvious that Boston is an ACC town now! Everywhere I go when I visit family there I see ACC souvenirs that read "HARVARD".
 
I must admit, at 1st I was a bit skeptical about Davis's claims, but after watching the Outside the lines episode this morning, IMO either Davis is one hell of an actor, or there is truth to his claims.  
 When they call in experts in body mannerisms to look at this interview, something will be telling either way. I personally do not know what to make of it yet.
 
I found the article by Jason Whitlock to be very interesting and though I have no knowledge of the players in this "scandal" I have serious reservations about the veracity of the charges being made against Fine by the "brothers", who as Jason points out-if one of the brothers was being abused for so long why would he tell his younger brother to become a ball boy also.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebas...e-story-irresposible-reporting-by-espn-112111
 
 
I must admit, at 1st I was a bit skeptical about Davis's claims, but after watching the Outside the lines episode this morning, IMO either Davis is one hell of an actor, or there is truth to his claims.  
 

No one knows squat yet! Yes, because this allegation dates back nine years and has resurfaced, it will tarnish coach Fine's reputation forever, even if unfounded.

The real problem with this story is the way Syracuse handled it years ago. There are now hints of a coverup by both the Syracuse police and Syracuse University. If there was any type of coverup, it could be just as damaging to the program.
 

72' I'm not claiming to "know" anything. Thus the "IMO" before my comment. But to me the Davis seemed credible in the Outside the lines episode. As did his ex-girlfriend who he first confessed to. His step brother less so. But obviously I, like everyone else, will have to wait to see how this thing plays out.
 
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