Steve Lavin Update

[firestorm]

Wow, Mullin in for a rough year on here. Thought honeymoon would at least last to first game.

Lavin was not the worst coach or the best coach we have had but either way he is gone, so I think we should move forward. Mullin is basically the face of the program and has been since 1982. Posters bitching already are clearly crazy! People get way to wrapped up on our FORMER coaches.

BTW Norm stunk

Excellent post---except for the gratuitous shot at Norm. We should move on from doing that too.

Was a joke, but honestly statute of limitations is not up yet on the pain he inflicted on both my eyes and the game of basketball. He is really the only former coach that still merits scorn.

I'll challenge that last line...

I would say Norm and Steve represented SJU well and improved the program from where they started. Did either do an exceptional job? No. But did they move us forward? I'd say yes.

The only coach that still merits scorn is Jarvis. Guy absolutely trashed SJU hoops and left it in a stinking mess that we're still trying to fix.

Norm and Steve's 11 year joint venture left a barren program. Norm left Steve a full squad, giving him time to bring in some players. When Steve was hired he was thought to be a professional coach, so more of the onus would fall on him. Coach Mullin could be considered a risky hire, but he's special so we all feel good about him being back.

Every coach except Norm brought at least one year of enjoyment to the table. Mullin brought me four as a player so he gets a pass from me no matter what happens going forward.

If Lavin was left with what Norm was left with, if Lavin had to work with Norm's shoestring budget and if Lavin had his hands tied the way Norm did with the kind of kids he was allowed to recruit, right now we would be calling Lavin the worst coach in the history of the program.

Hill and Hamilton

Not really sure what you mean but both Hill and Hamilton were Recruits of the big fat lazy bald lying piece of dung. They were both top 50 recruits. So if you mean to Say Lavin left coach Mullin, AA, Felix and Jones while Jarvis left Hamilton and Hill and therefore no coach left the program in worse shape than Lavin I would have to agree with you.

Not to nitpick, but Lavin also left behind Obekpa and, to a lesser degree, a chance with Jordan. Put those two players in our lineup and we're a better team this year.

I've no complaint with Chris deciding the program is better off without either of them. I have full confidence in his ability to recruit and build a great program in the years ahead. If that means a winless season this year, I'll take that for the longer-term gain.

Whether we think Jarvis, Norm or Lavin was the worst thing to hit our program isn't really relevant anymore. I think we're agreed that we have a guy who can right the wrongs of any of his predecessors.

 

[monte]

Wow, Mullin in for a rough year on here. Thought honeymoon would at least last to first game.

Lavin was not the worst coach or the best coach we have had but either way he is gone, so I think we should move forward. Mullin is basically the face of the program and has been since 1982. Posters bitching already are clearly crazy! People get way to wrapped up on our FORMER coaches.

BTW Norm stunk

Excellent post---except for the gratuitous shot at Norm. We should move on from doing that too.

Was a joke, but honestly statute of limitations is not up yet on the pain he inflicted on both my eyes and the game of basketball. He is really the only former coach that still merits scorn.

I'll challenge that last line...

I would say Norm and Steve represented SJU well and improved the program from where they started. Did either do an exceptional job? No. But did they move us forward? I'd say yes.

The only coach that still merits scorn is Jarvis. Guy absolutely trashed SJU hoops and left it in a stinking mess that we're still trying to fix.

Norm and Steve's 11 year joint venture left a barren program. Norm left Steve a full squad, giving him time to bring in some players. When Steve was hired he was thought to be a professional coach, so more of the onus would fall on him. Coach Mullin could be considered a risky hire, but he's special so we all feel good about him being back.

Every coach except Norm brought at least one year of enjoyment to the table. Mullin brought me four as a player so he gets a pass from me no matter what happens going forward.

If Lavin was left with what Norm was left with, if Lavin had to work with Norm's shoestring budget and if Lavin had his hands tied the way Norm did with the kind of kids he was allowed to recruit, right now we would be calling Lavin the worst coach in the history of the program.

I would submit that Norm "left" Lavin NOTHING. Norm got fired with a roster almost entirely of juniors that barely eked into the NIT. Had he lived for one more season and then got fired, Lavin would have inherited a completely barren roster. I would submit that Lavin perpetuated what Norm started - an imbalanced roster. I would submit that not only could Norm not coach (he couldn't game coach his way out of a paper bag), but he selfishly was worried only about Norm's survival so he couldn't care less about balancing the roster for two years down the road. One of Lavin's big errors is that he didn't work to rebalance the roster the way Mullin did in his first 10 weeks on the job. As a results, just 4 years after Lavin "inherited" the almost completely senior roster, the same result occurred - EXCEPT - Lavin would have "left" the program in slightly better shape since talented problem children Obekpa and Jordan were primed to lead this year's squad as upperclassmen. Let's end this myth that Norm had a clue. He would have had both Hardy and Brownlee (our two best players in 2010-11) on the bench, and we would have missed the NCAA's again. Let's not compare the talent that Norm brought in compared to Lavin, no wait, let's. If Norm coached that final season with his seniors, we'd be talking about how DJ Kennedy was the only decent player he'd brought in in 6 seasons. Brownlee and Hardy would have rotted on the bench while Sean Evans brought the ball up on breaks, and Maliks Boothe and Stith ran the point. Lavin brought in Harkless, Obekpa, Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Greene, Sampson, Sanchez, and Branch. Norm not only couldn't coach, he couldn't evaluate talent under his nose. Remember that he fell in love with short in stature, short on talent point guards (perhaps an image of Roberts the player - the same delusional Roberts who said more than once he was better than Anthony Mason Sr in HS). Lavin was hired as a tainted former coach with a bunch of Sweet 16 results. Norm was hired by the meddling CEO priest Harrington, who fell for Robert's boyish charm and professed lifelong love for SJU as his dream job. On that subject, I bet not a single one of us could ever recall a younger Norm frequently MSG or CA following his "dream team" because I believe that was a load of crap that Harrington swooned for. If any of you believe that Roberts would have led Lavin's team to the NCAAs, then you are rewriting history.

Norm mismanaged the roster the way Isaiah Thomas did the same to the Knicks. Both were only worried about personal survival, and put themselves above the future of their teams. It took Donnie Walsh's acumen to disassemble Thomas' mess. Lavin failed to unravel it the way Mullin has, and as a result 4 years later the roster had the exact same problem, courtesy of the Obekpa and Jordan follies.

Let's end this nonsense. Lavin's 5 year tenure ended abruptly despite an NCAA bid. He brought in NBA level talent in Sampson and Harkless, and near NBA level talent in Obekpa, Jordan, Pointer, and Harrison. His biggest failure was an imbalanced roster. Had things broken luckily for him, he could have began this season with a core of Jordan, Obekpa, Brandon Sampson, and Lovett. Of course with Obekpa poised to walk, and Jordan not cracking a book and planning to, that couldn't have happened, so Lavin instead was shown the door. But let's not compare Lavin to Roberts. Maybe calling Lavin a good coach is like comparing Taco Bell to Mexican food. But Roberts as a coach was the result of eating Taco Bell - pure diarrhea.

You are smart enough to know that successful people don't rely on luck. Lavin would have never been successful here, for a slew of reason to lengthy for me to list, and no amount of luck would have changed that. Unless of course you consider "success" what he produced over his 5 years. Because had he been foolishly retained, we would have seen more of the same. Thankfully he was not.

 

[beast of the east]

Wow, Mullin in for a rough year on here. Thought honeymoon would at least last to first game.

Lavin was not the worst coach or the best coach we have had but either way he is gone, so I think we should move forward. Mullin is basically the face of the program and has been since 1982. Posters bitching already are clearly crazy! People get way to wrapped up on our FORMER coaches.

BTW Norm stunk

Excellent post---except for the gratuitous shot at Norm. We should move on from doing that too.

Was a joke, but honestly statute of limitations is not up yet on the pain he inflicted on both my eyes and the game of basketball. He is really the only former coach that still merits scorn.

I'll challenge that last line...

I would say Norm and Steve represented SJU well and improved the program from where they started. Did either do an exceptional job? No. But did they move us forward? I'd say yes.

The only coach that still merits scorn is Jarvis. Guy absolutely trashed SJU hoops and left it in a stinking mess that we're still trying to fix.

Norm and Steve's 11 year joint venture left a barren program. Norm left Steve a full squad, giving him time to bring in some players. When Steve was hired he was thought to be a professional coach, so more of the onus would fall on him. Coach Mullin could be considered a risky hire, but he's special so we all feel good about him being back.

Every coach except Norm brought at least one year of enjoyment to the table. Mullin brought me four as a player so he gets a pass from me no matter what happens going forward.

If Lavin was left with what Norm was left with, if Lavin had to work with Norm's shoestring budget and if Lavin had his hands tied the way Norm did with the kind of kids he was allowed to recruit, right now we would be calling Lavin the worst coach in the history of the program.

I would submit that Norm "left" Lavin NOTHING. Norm got fired with a roster almost entirely of juniors that barely eked into the NIT. Had he lived for one more season and then got fired, Lavin would have inherited a completely barren roster. I would submit that Lavin perpetuated what Norm started - an imbalanced roster. I would submit that not only could Norm not coach (he couldn't game coach his way out of a paper bag), but he selfishly was worried only about Norm's survival so he couldn't care less about balancing the roster for two years down the road. One of Lavin's big errors is that he didn't work to rebalance the roster the way Mullin did in his first 10 weeks on the job. As a results, just 4 years after Lavin "inherited" the almost completely senior roster, the same result occurred - EXCEPT - Lavin would have "left" the program in slightly better shape since talented problem children Obekpa and Jordan were primed to lead this year's squad as upperclassmen. Let's end this myth that Norm had a clue. He would have had both Hardy and Brownlee (our two best players in 2010-11) on the bench, and we would have missed the NCAA's again. Let's not compare the talent that Norm brought in compared to Lavin, no wait, let's. If Norm coached that final season with his seniors, we'd be talking about how DJ Kennedy was the only decent player he'd brought in in 6 seasons. Brownlee and Hardy would have rotted on the bench while Sean Evans brought the ball up on breaks, and Maliks Boothe and Stith ran the point. Lavin brought in Harkless, Obekpa, Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Greene, Sampson, Sanchez, and Branch. Norm not only couldn't coach, he couldn't evaluate talent under his nose. Remember that he fell in love with short in stature, short on talent point guards (perhaps an image of Roberts the player - the same delusional Roberts who said more than once he was better than Anthony Mason Sr in HS). Lavin was hired as a tainted former coach with a bunch of Sweet 16 results. Norm was hired by the meddling CEO priest Harrington, who fell for Robert's boyish charm and professed lifelong love for SJU as his dream job. On that subject, I bet not a single one of us could ever recall a younger Norm frequently MSG or CA following his "dream team" because I believe that was a load of crap that Harrington swooned for. If any of you believe that Roberts would have led Lavin's team to the NCAAs, then you are rewriting history.

Norm mismanaged the roster the way Isaiah Thomas did the same to the Knicks. Both were only worried about personal survival, and put themselves above the future of their teams. It took Donnie Walsh's acumen to disassemble Thomas' mess. Lavin failed to unravel it the way Mullin has, and as a result 4 years later the roster had the exact same problem, courtesy of the Obekpa and Jordan follies.

Let's end this nonsense. Lavin's 5 year tenure ended abruptly despite an NCAA bid. He brought in NBA level talent in Sampson and Harkless, and near NBA level talent in Obekpa, Jordan, Pointer, and Harrison. His biggest failure was an imbalanced roster. Had things broken luckily for him, he could have began this season with a core of Jordan, Obekpa, Brandon Sampson, and Lovett. Of course with Obekpa poised to walk, and Jordan not cracking a book and planning to, that couldn't have happened, so Lavin instead was shown the door. But let's not compare Lavin to Roberts. Maybe calling Lavin a good coach is like comparing Taco Bell to Mexican food. But Roberts as a coach was the result of eating Taco Bell - pure diarrhea.

You are smart enough to know that successful people don't rely on luck. Lavin would have never been successful here, for a slew of reason to lengthy for me to list, and no amount of luck would have changed that. Unless of course you consider "success" what he produced over his 5 years. Because had he been foolishly retained, we would have seen more of the same. Thankfully he was not.

I think the problem with your statement is how you define success. For us, it would mean frequent NCAA appearances that go beyond the first round, and an occasional dive to the Sweet 16 and beyond. That definition would get you fired at Duke. I believe Lavin appeared satisfied with two one-and-done appearances in the NCAA in 5 seasons, which got him fired at SJU. I don't disagree that based on our mutual expectations, Lavin wouldn't have met them. Looking forward to the next 5 seasons (including this one), 2 NCAA appearances with one-and-dones could possibly be overly optimistic, but based on our expectations, is a risk worth taking for the long haul.

I'm not as harsh on Lavin as you are, but agree that releasing him was a sound decision. He got us to a certain point, but based on what we saw, we weren't going to have even the success he had at UCLA - which was below their expectation as well.

 

[monte]

Wow, Mullin in for a rough year on here. Thought honeymoon would at least last to first game.

Lavin was not the worst coach or the best coach we have had but either way he is gone, so I think we should move forward. Mullin is basically the face of the program and has been since 1982. Posters bitching already are clearly crazy! People get way to wrapped up on our FORMER coaches.

BTW Norm stunk

Excellent post---except for the gratuitous shot at Norm. We should move on from doing that too.

Was a joke, but honestly statute of limitations is not up yet on the pain he inflicted on both my eyes and the game of basketball. He is really the only former coach that still merits scorn.

I'll challenge that last line...

I would say Norm and Steve represented SJU well and improved the program from where they started. Did either do an exceptional job? No. But did they move us forward? I'd say yes.

The only coach that still merits scorn is Jarvis. Guy absolutely trashed SJU hoops and left it in a stinking mess that we're still trying to fix.

Norm and Steve's 11 year joint venture left a barren program. Norm left Steve a full squad, giving him time to bring in some players. When Steve was hired he was thought to be a professional coach, so more of the onus would fall on him. Coach Mullin could be considered a risky hire, but he's special so we all feel good about him being back.

Every coach except Norm brought at least one year of enjoyment to the table. Mullin brought me four as a player so he gets a pass from me no matter what happens going forward.

If Lavin was left with what Norm was left with, if Lavin had to work with Norm's shoestring budget and if Lavin had his hands tied the way Norm did with the kind of kids he was allowed to recruit, right now we would be calling Lavin the worst coach in the history of the program.

I would submit that Norm "left" Lavin NOTHING. Norm got fired with a roster almost entirely of juniors that barely eked into the NIT. Had he lived for one more season and then got fired, Lavin would have inherited a completely barren roster. I would submit that Lavin perpetuated what Norm started - an imbalanced roster. I would submit that not only could Norm not coach (he couldn't game coach his way out of a paper bag), but he selfishly was worried only about Norm's survival so he couldn't care less about balancing the roster for two years down the road. One of Lavin's big errors is that he didn't work to rebalance the roster the way Mullin did in his first 10 weeks on the job. As a results, just 4 years after Lavin "inherited" the almost completely senior roster, the same result occurred - EXCEPT - Lavin would have "left" the program in slightly better shape since talented problem children Obekpa and Jordan were primed to lead this year's squad as upperclassmen. Let's end this myth that Norm had a clue. He would have had both Hardy and Brownlee (our two best players in 2010-11) on the bench, and we would have missed the NCAA's again. Let's not compare the talent that Norm brought in compared to Lavin, no wait, let's. If Norm coached that final season with his seniors, we'd be talking about how DJ Kennedy was the only decent player he'd brought in in 6 seasons. Brownlee and Hardy would have rotted on the bench while Sean Evans brought the ball up on breaks, and Maliks Boothe and Stith ran the point. Lavin brought in Harkless, Obekpa, Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Greene, Sampson, Sanchez, and Branch. Norm not only couldn't coach, he couldn't evaluate talent under his nose. Remember that he fell in love with short in stature, short on talent point guards (perhaps an image of Roberts the player - the same delusional Roberts who said more than once he was better than Anthony Mason Sr in HS). Lavin was hired as a tainted former coach with a bunch of Sweet 16 results. Norm was hired by the meddling CEO priest Harrington, who fell for Robert's boyish charm and professed lifelong love for SJU as his dream job. On that subject, I bet not a single one of us could ever recall a younger Norm frequently MSG or CA following his "dream team" because I believe that was a load of crap that Harrington swooned for. If any of you believe that Roberts would have led Lavin's team to the NCAAs, then you are rewriting history.

Norm mismanaged the roster the way Isaiah Thomas did the same to the Knicks. Both were only worried about personal survival, and put themselves above the future of their teams. It took Donnie Walsh's acumen to disassemble Thomas' mess. Lavin failed to unravel it the way Mullin has, and as a result 4 years later the roster had the exact same problem, courtesy of the Obekpa and Jordan follies.

Let's end this nonsense. Lavin's 5 year tenure ended abruptly despite an NCAA bid. He brought in NBA level talent in Sampson and Harkless, and near NBA level talent in Obekpa, Jordan, Pointer, and Harrison. His biggest failure was an imbalanced roster. Had things broken luckily for him, he could have began this season with a core of Jordan, Obekpa, Brandon Sampson, and Lovett. Of course with Obekpa poised to walk, and Jordan not cracking a book and planning to, that couldn't have happened, so Lavin instead was shown the door. But let's not compare Lavin to Roberts. Maybe calling Lavin a good coach is like comparing Taco Bell to Mexican food. But Roberts as a coach was the result of eating Taco Bell - pure diarrhea.

You are smart enough to know that successful people don't rely on luck. Lavin would have never been successful here, for a slew of reason to lengthy for me to list, and no amount of luck would have changed that. Unless of course you consider "success" what he produced over his 5 years. Because had he been foolishly retained, we would have seen more of the same. Thankfully he was not.

I think the problem with your statement is how you define success. For us, it would mean frequent NCAA appearances that go beyond the first round, and an occasional dive to the Sweet 16 and beyond. That definition would get you fired at Duke. I believe Lavin appeared satisfied with two one-and-done appearances in the NCAA in 5 seasons, which got him fired at SJU. I don't disagree that based on our mutual expectations, Lavin wouldn't have met them. Looking forward to the next 5 seasons (including this one), 2 NCAA appearances with one-and-dones could possibly be overly optimistic, but based on our expectations, is a risk worth taking for the long haul.

I'm not as harsh on Lavin as you are, but agree that releasing him was a sound decision. He got us to a certain point, but based on what we saw, we weren't going to have even the success he had at UCLA - which was below their expectation as well.

Yes the next 5 years may not measure up to the past 5, but I think most of us are confident that once we turn the corner our program can have a nice successful run. IE consistently over .500 in league play and tourney team most years. I was really unhappy with Lavin at the helm, but I think you knew that already lol. I long felt that we deserved better. I'm willing to accept going winless this year if that's what it takes to get the program headed in the right direction, which I am confident that it is.

 

[usguard]

Wow, Mullin in for a rough year on here. Thought honeymoon would at least last to first game.

Lavin was not the worst coach or the best coach we have had but either way he is gone, so I think we should move forward. Mullin is basically the face of the program and has been since 1982. Posters bitching already are clearly crazy! People get way to wrapped up on our FORMER coaches.

BTW Norm stunk

Excellent post---except for the gratuitous shot at Norm. We should move on from doing that too.

Was a joke, but honestly statute of limitations is not up yet on the pain he inflicted on both my eyes and the game of basketball. He is really the only former coach that still merits scorn.

I'll challenge that last line...

I would say Norm and Steve represented SJU well and improved the program from where they started. Did either do an exceptional job? No. But did they move us forward? I'd say yes.

The only coach that still merits scorn is Jarvis. Guy absolutely trashed SJU hoops and left it in a stinking mess that we're still trying to fix.

Norm and Steve's 11 year joint venture left a barren program. Norm left Steve a full squad, giving him time to bring in some players. When Steve was hired he was thought to be a professional coach, so more of the onus would fall on him. Coach Mullin could be considered a risky hire, but he's special so we all feel good about him being back.

Every coach except Norm brought at least one year of enjoyment to the table. Mullin brought me four as a player so he gets a pass from me no matter what happens going forward.

If Lavin was left with what Norm was left with, if Lavin had to work with Norm's shoestring budget and if Lavin had his hands tied the way Norm did with the kind of kids he was allowed to recruit, right now we would be calling Lavin the worst coach in the history of the program.

I would submit that Norm "left" Lavin NOTHING. Norm got fired with a roster almost entirely of juniors that barely eked into the NIT. Had he lived for one more season and then got fired, Lavin would have inherited a completely barren roster. I would submit that Lavin perpetuated what Norm started - an imbalanced roster. I would submit that not only could Norm not coach (he couldn't game coach his way out of a paper bag), but he selfishly was worried only about Norm's survival so he couldn't care less about balancing the roster for two years down the road. One of Lavin's big errors is that he didn't work to rebalance the roster the way Mullin did in his first 10 weeks on the job. As a results, just 4 years after Lavin "inherited" the almost completely senior roster, the same result occurred - EXCEPT - Lavin would have "left" the program in slightly better shape since talented problem children Obekpa and Jordan were primed to lead this year's squad as upperclassmen. Let's end this myth that Norm had a clue. He would have had both Hardy and Brownlee (our two best players in 2010-11) on the bench, and we would have missed the NCAA's again. Let's not compare the talent that Norm brought in compared to Lavin, no wait, let's. If Norm coached that final season with his seniors, we'd be talking about how DJ Kennedy was the only decent player he'd brought in in 6 seasons. Brownlee and Hardy would have rotted on the bench while Sean Evans brought the ball up on breaks, and Maliks Boothe and Stith ran the point. Lavin brought in Harkless, Obekpa, Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Greene, Sampson, Sanchez, and Branch. Norm not only couldn't coach, he couldn't evaluate talent under his nose. Remember that he fell in love with short in stature, short on talent point guards (perhaps an image of Roberts the player - the same delusional Roberts who said more than once he was better than Anthony Mason Sr in HS). Lavin was hired as a tainted former coach with a bunch of Sweet 16 results. Norm was hired by the meddling CEO priest Harrington, who fell for Robert's boyish charm and professed lifelong love for SJU as his dream job. On that subject, I bet not a single one of us could ever recall a younger Norm frequently MSG or CA following his "dream team" because I believe that was a load of crap that Harrington swooned for. If any of you believe that Roberts would have led Lavin's team to the NCAAs, then you are rewriting history.

Norm mismanaged the roster the way Isaiah Thomas did the same to the Knicks. Both were only worried about personal survival, and put themselves above the future of their teams. It took Donnie Walsh's acumen to disassemble Thomas' mess. Lavin failed to unravel it the way Mullin has, and as a result 4 years later the roster had the exact same problem, courtesy of the Obekpa and Jordan follies.

Let's end this nonsense. Lavin's 5 year tenure ended abruptly despite an NCAA bid. He brought in NBA level talent in Sampson and Harkless, and near NBA level talent in Obekpa, Jordan, Pointer, and Harrison. His biggest failure was an imbalanced roster. Had things broken luckily for him, he could have began this season with a core of Jordan, Obekpa, Brandon Sampson, and Lovett. Of course with Obekpa poised to walk, and Jordan not cracking a book and planning to, that couldn't have happened, so Lavin instead was shown the door. But let's not compare Lavin to Roberts. Maybe calling Lavin a good coach is like comparing Taco Bell to Mexican food. But Roberts as a coach was the result of eating Taco Bell - pure diarrhea.

You are smart enough to know that successful people don't rely on luck. Lavin would have never been successful here, for a slew of reason to lengthy for me to list, and no amount of luck would have changed that. Unless of course you consider "success" what he produced over his 5 years. Because had he been foolishly retained, we would have seen more of the same. Thankfully he was not.

I think the problem with your statement is how you define success. For us, it would mean frequent NCAA appearances that go beyond the first round, and an occasional dive to the Sweet 16 and beyond. That definition would get you fired at Duke. I believe Lavin appeared satisfied with two one-and-done appearances in the NCAA in 5 seasons, which got him fired at SJU. I don't disagree that based on our mutual expectations, Lavin wouldn't have met them. Looking forward to the next 5 seasons (including this one), 2 NCAA appearances with one-and-dones could possibly be overly optimistic, but based on our expectations, is a risk worth taking for the long haul.

I'm not as harsh on Lavin as you are, but agree that releasing him was a sound decision. He got us to a certain point, but based on what we saw, we weren't going to have even the success he had at UCLA - which was below their expectation as well.

Yes the next 5 years may not measure up to the past 5, but I think most of us are confident that once we turn the corner our program can have a nice successful run. IE consistently over .500 in league play and tourney team most years. I was really unhappy with Lavin at the helm, but I think you knew that already lol. I long felt that we deserved better. I'm willing to accept going winless this year if that's what it takes to get the program headed in the right direction, which I am confident that it is.

AT THE TIME WE BROUGHT LAVIN IN GREAT COACHES WERE NOT KNOCKING DOWN OUR DOORS LAVIN WAS was a good hire and he moved us in the right direction When Lavin left feel and coach at that point would have been risky Looking forward to the season and the future

 

[tred]

My only beef with Mullin is he did not do a good job with hiring his staff. He basically hired a gopher for fred hoiberg who we are paying over six figures, he hired a slick recruiter who cant coach (see Manhattan), who makes half a million dollars a year and another NBA player with zero coaching experience. In my opinion he needed to hire a proven practice/ game coach. I really hope we can recruit such a high level player that it masks our coaching deficiency at this time.

 

[simplyred]

My only beef with Mullin is he did not do a good job with hiring his staff. He basically hired a gopher for fred hoiberg who we are paying over six figures, he hired a slick recruiter who cant coach (see Manhattan), who makes half a million dollars a year and another NBA player with zero coaching experience. In my opinion he needed to hire a proven practice/ game coach. I really hope we can recruit such a high level player that it masks our coaching deficiency at this time.

He hired two of the best recruiters in the game---Slick and The Gopher. The others, St. Jean and Richmond, have not yet proven themselves incapable. I'm not in the prediction business like you are, so I will wait before I give my assessment of a coaching staff that has yet to coach a real game.

 

[fun]

My only beef with Mullin is he did not do a good job with hiring his staff. .

You're delusional.

 

[cappy105]

My only beef with Mullin is he did not do a good job with hiring his staff. He basically hired a gopher for fred hoiberg who we are paying over six figures, he hired a slick recruiter who cant coach (see Manhattan), who makes half a million dollars a year and another NBA player with zero coaching experience. In my opinion he needed to hire a proven practice/ game coach. I really hope we can recruit such a high level player that it masks our coaching deficiency at this time.

He hired two of the best recruiters in the game---Slick and The Gopher. The others, St. Jean and Richmond, have not yet proven themselves incapable. I'm not in the prediction business like you are, so I will wait before I give my assessment of a coaching staff that has yet to coach a real game.

also St Jean looks like a coach of the future. Guy has knowldge no doubt. Two of the premier recruiters in nation and this guy is complaining ?

 

[SJU61982]

My only beef with Mullin is he did not do a good job with hiring his staff. He basically hired a gopher for fred hoiberg who we are paying over six figures, he hired a slick recruiter who cant coach (see Manhattan), who makes half a million dollars a year and another NBA player with zero coaching experience. In my opinion he needed to hire a proven practice/ game coach. I really hope we can recruit such a high level player that it masks our coaching deficiency at this time.

Most head coaches with successful records, are busy being head coaches of other teams. Near impossible to get one of those guys as an assistant.

Mullin did a good job with that, all things considered. You get someone to leave Kentucky to come here, that's not easy to do.

 

[wwalwyn]

My only beef with Mullin is he did not do a good job with hiring his staff. He basically hired a gopher for fred hoiberg who we are paying over six figures, he hired a slick recruiter who cant coach (see Manhattan), who makes half a million dollars a year and another NBA player with zero coaching experience. In my opinion he needed to hire a proven practice/ game coach. I really hope we can recruit such a high level player that it masks our coaching deficiency at this time.

So much for a grace period. i guess the silver lining is that this is the only beef you have with Mullin.

 

[Knight]

Lavin is now an announcer, not our head coach.
I hope we can bury this topic and just let the Mullin era begin and stand and or fall on its own merits.

 

[Jack Williams]

2 exhibition games in and posters already think the staff is bad. redmen.com is gonna be unbearable when we have a rough time this year.

 

[SJU61982]

2 exhibition games in and posters already think the staff is bad. redmen.com is gonna be unbearable when we have a rough time this year.

You're right, but you also can't blame the fans for being upset, Jack.

How much more patience are we supposed to have? We haven't had a really good team for 15 years.

 

[Storm Tracker]

The fact that people are already complaining about Mullin before game 1 of his career goes to show that half the people on this site are complete nutjobs. I'm sorry to say but coming on here really can be depressing sometimes.

 

[L J S A]

2 exhibition games in and posters already think the staff is bad. redmen.com is gonna be unbearable when we have a rough time this year.

You're right, but you also can't blame the fans for being upset, Jack.

How much more patience are we supposed to have? We haven't had a really good team for 15 years.

Losing patience with a longtime underperforming coach makes sense.

Complaining about a brand-new staff that hasn't coached a real game yet makes someone absolutely psychotic, or a troll with an agenda or an unnatural love for a previous coach.

I should also add that the rest of us know exactly who these posters are and mock them over PM.

 

[Chris7]

2 exhibition games in and posters already think the staff is bad. redmen.com is gonna be unbearable when we have a rough time this year.

You're right, but you also can't blame the fans for being upset, Jack.

How much more patience are we supposed to have? We haven't had a really good team for 15 years.

Not to mention we still have no AD. NO AD!

 

[ManhattAn1]

Should of hired a hurley.

 

[SJU61982]

2 exhibition games in and posters already think the staff is bad. redmen.com is gonna be unbearable when we have a rough time this year.

You're right, but you also can't blame the fans for being upset, Jack.

How much more patience are we supposed to have? We haven't had a really good team for 15 years.

Losing patience with a longtime underperforming coach makes sense.

Complaining about a brand-new staff that hasn't coached a real game yet makes someone absolutely psychotic, or a troll with an agenda or an unnatural love for a previous coach.

I should also add that the rest of us know exactly who these posters are and mock them over PM.

FTR, I have no issue with this staff as of yet. The STAC game was terrible, but it was an exhibition, so I'm letting it slide. I also defended the staff he brought on earlier in this thread.

Actually, I think 90% of us realize that Mullin can not dissapoint this first season, only surprise.

Still, I understand fans being upset at the whole situation, in general.

 

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