tom in salem
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if nothing then, Mullin's toast.
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kingofk1ngs
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[quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
Any idea when that is over?
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
Any idea when that is over?
tom in salem
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then get used to yearly 10th place finishes after this season.
beast of the east
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[quote="Tom in Salem" post=290522]then get used to yearly 10th place finishes after this season.[/quote]
Get used to? Lol... we compete for that almost every season.
Get used to? Lol... we compete for that almost every season.
beast of the east
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[quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.
[quote="kingofk1ngs" post=290521][quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
End of July. August would be a fair gauge imo, but we’ll see.
Any idea when that is over?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
End of July. August would be a fair gauge imo, but we’ll see.
Any idea when that is over?[/quote]
[quote="Beast of the East" post=290525][quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.
Windy City Johnny Fan
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[quote="Paultzman" post=290527][quote="Beast of the East" post=290525][quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote]
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote]
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?
beast of the east
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=290528][quote="Paultzman" post=290527][quote="Beast of the East" post=290525][quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote]
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?[/quote]
Actually, I don't think it's been expressed here too much that the reason we would want him is to tap into the NJ pipeline of recruits, or specifically '19 recruits. I do think we need help recruiting. I don't think we necessarily need an X's and O's guy, as St. Jean has progressed very nicely. I think the roster (and defections) the past 3 seasons (and the 5 before that) has been more of an issue than coaching deficiencies.
If the reason is to bolster recruiting efforts I'm all in if Rice can help deliver players.
I do think his tenure here would be short lived - erase the baggage he is carrying now, be part of a winning season or two as the program is restored, and then someone would take a shot on giving him a hc position.
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote]
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?[/quote]
Actually, I don't think it's been expressed here too much that the reason we would want him is to tap into the NJ pipeline of recruits, or specifically '19 recruits. I do think we need help recruiting. I don't think we necessarily need an X's and O's guy, as St. Jean has progressed very nicely. I think the roster (and defections) the past 3 seasons (and the 5 before that) has been more of an issue than coaching deficiencies.
If the reason is to bolster recruiting efforts I'm all in if Rice can help deliver players.
I do think his tenure here would be short lived - erase the baggage he is carrying now, be part of a winning season or two as the program is restored, and then someone would take a shot on giving him a hc position.
MarkRedman
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=290528][quote="Paultzman" post=290527][quote="Beast of the East" post=290525][quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?[/quote]
Rice fills two specific and mutually exclusive voids on our staff
He would certainly give us a better shot at high level recruits
He also had head coaching experience and is thought to be a good x and o guy
Was highly thought of when he coached at Robert Morris before Rutgers
His enthusiasm would also provide some needed energy into the program
I hope that CM moves Mitch into an advisor role and hires Rice in his stead
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?[/quote]
Rice fills two specific and mutually exclusive voids on our staff
He would certainly give us a better shot at high level recruits
He also had head coaching experience and is thought to be a good x and o guy
Was highly thought of when he coached at Robert Morris before Rutgers
His enthusiasm would also provide some needed energy into the program
I hope that CM moves Mitch into an advisor role and hires Rice in his stead
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[quote="MarkRedman" post=290532][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=290528][quote="Paultzman" post=290527][quote="Beast of the East" post=290525][quote="Paultzman" post=290516][quote="Mike Zaun" post=290514]Don't think it can be stated enough how much he would help not only coaching but recruiting the hotbed of NJ talent. Paultz, what kind of timeline are we looking at here?[/quote]
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?[/quote]
Rice fills two specific and mutually exclusive voids on our staff
He would certainly give us a better shot at high level recruits
He also had head coaching experience and is thought to be a good x and o guy
Was highly thought of when he coached at Robert Morris before Rutgers
His enthusiasm would also provide some needed energy into the program
I hope that CM moves Mitch into an advisor role and hires Rice in his stead[/quote]
Although team defense improved last year imo, I think Rice could help build upon that success.
Shortly after Rice’s AAU season is over I would think. If nothing then, I doubt this happens, but we’ll see.[/quote]
How could an AAU season possibly take precedence over a D1 college gig? Makes not much sense to me. If he was coming on board, an assistant would coach the AAU season out.[/quote]
Obviously Rice would have committed by now if offered. Surmise he is just finishing Rio season, since a firm offer has not materialized yet. I admire his patience, but also realize he does not have any other offers relatively close to home. Staff including Mullin have hosted him a lot over past year & one AC in particular would be really happy if he joined staff. Chris ultimately will make his choice & I’ll live with that.[/quote
Let's also be honest with ourselves as to why we want him. We want him because he'll theoretically give us a better shot with 3 specific '19 recruits. There may be some other peripheral benefits, but if we achieve the success I think we are all hoping for, he would likely be gone after 1-2 years for a head coaching gig. Or maybe he'd take the torch here?[/quote]
Rice fills two specific and mutually exclusive voids on our staff
He would certainly give us a better shot at high level recruits
He also had head coaching experience and is thought to be a good x and o guy
Was highly thought of when he coached at Robert Morris before Rutgers
His enthusiasm would also provide some needed energy into the program
I hope that CM moves Mitch into an advisor role and hires Rice in his stead[/quote]
Although team defense improved last year imo, I think Rice could help build upon that success.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Tom in Salem" post=290517]if nothing then, Mullin's toast.[/quote]
This is not a Tiny situation. Can he help us with Lewis and other major '19 recruits? Sure, but I don't think anyone's expecting them to commit either way. Rice will be a huge upgrade helping us with development and coaching and has tons of experience (something no one else has really). He wouldn't just help us with the '19 recruits, he would help us every cycle especially with the NJ recruits. With Tiny, he was used to get Whitehead then they got rid of him. I would assume we keep Rice even if he doesn't get Lewis for us if hired since he's a real coach. I don't see Rice as some type of savior...he's simply a major upgrade based on what we have which is zero experience with our coaches and Matt is fed up being the only recruiter. If Mullin doesn't hire any help I wouldn't expect Matt to take it for too long before leaving. We need to start making decisions that are obvious at other major programs.
By the way I think he meant "toast" referring to ultimate failure and not necessarily being fired. If this doesn't materialize, it's hard for me to see Mullin being successful. If Heron is eligible and Rice comes on board, can we all throw a party somewhere? That would mean the stars aligning for once.
This is not a Tiny situation. Can he help us with Lewis and other major '19 recruits? Sure, but I don't think anyone's expecting them to commit either way. Rice will be a huge upgrade helping us with development and coaching and has tons of experience (something no one else has really). He wouldn't just help us with the '19 recruits, he would help us every cycle especially with the NJ recruits. With Tiny, he was used to get Whitehead then they got rid of him. I would assume we keep Rice even if he doesn't get Lewis for us if hired since he's a real coach. I don't see Rice as some type of savior...he's simply a major upgrade based on what we have which is zero experience with our coaches and Matt is fed up being the only recruiter. If Mullin doesn't hire any help I wouldn't expect Matt to take it for too long before leaving. We need to start making decisions that are obvious at other major programs.
By the way I think he meant "toast" referring to ultimate failure and not necessarily being fired. If this doesn't materialize, it's hard for me to see Mullin being successful. If Heron is eligible and Rice comes on board, can we all throw a party somewhere? That would mean the stars aligning for once.
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I believe this has been posted before: Team Rio's schedule
July 8 Practice Weekend 4pm at
July 10-14 UAA III, Atlanta, GA (NCAA Live) (ALL TEAMS)
July 17 Rice 17U JSBL 8pm
July 18-20 Hoop Group Elite II, (NCAA Live) Albright College (ALL PLAYERS)
July 21-22, West Coast Elite 100, (NCAA Live) Los Angeles, California
July 25-29, Fab 48 17U, Las Vegas, Nevada (TEAM TBA)
July 25-27, Live in AC, 17U, Atlantic City (TEAM TBA)
July 25-29, 17U Rice UAA Championships, Las Vegas, Nevada
July 8 Practice Weekend 4pm at
July 10-14 UAA III, Atlanta, GA (NCAA Live) (ALL TEAMS)
July 17 Rice 17U JSBL 8pm
July 18-20 Hoop Group Elite II, (NCAA Live) Albright College (ALL PLAYERS)
July 21-22, West Coast Elite 100, (NCAA Live) Los Angeles, California
July 25-29, Fab 48 17U, Las Vegas, Nevada (TEAM TBA)
July 25-27, Live in AC, 17U, Atlantic City (TEAM TBA)
July 25-29, 17U Rice UAA Championships, Las Vegas, Nevada
I thought that we were waiting for Chris to resolve the Mitch issue—which I thought was ‘happening’, and that following the AAU Season, Mike Rice would join the team.
IMO, the Staff needs to be ‘right-sized’ to both be more focused on recruiting, to hone team defense some more, and to inject some energy and spirit into the program.
Since, there’s only “1 choice”...I sure hope ‘he’ is hired and joins.
IMO, the Staff needs to be ‘right-sized’ to both be more focused on recruiting, to hone team defense some more, and to inject some energy and spirit into the program.
Since, there’s only “1 choice”...I sure hope ‘he’ is hired and joins.
Windy City Johnny Fan
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=290535][quote="Tom in Salem" post=290517]if nothing then, Mullin's toast.[/quote]
This is not a Tiny situation. Can he help us with Lewis and other major '19 recruits? Sure, but I don't think anyone's expecting them to commit either way. Rice will be a huge upgrade helping us with development and coaching and has tons of experience (something no one else has really). He wouldn't just help us with the '19 recruits, he would help us every cycle especially with the NJ recruits. With Tiny, he was used to get Whitehead then they got rid of him. I would assume we keep Rice even if he doesn't get Lewis for us if hired since he's a real coach. I don't see Rice as some type of savior...he's simply a major upgrade based on what we have which is zero experience with our coaches and Matt is fed up being the only recruiter. If Mullin doesn't hire any help I wouldn't expect Matt to take it for too long before leaving. We need to start making decisions that are obvious at other major programs.
By the way I think he meant "toast" referring to ultimate failure and not necessarily being fired. If this doesn't materialize, it's hard for me to see Mullin being successful. If Heron is eligible and Rice comes on board, can we all throw a party somewhere? That would mean the stars aligning for once.[/quote]
Completely agree not a Tiny situation. Coach Rice is dynamic and can contribute in any number of ways. My point was more that if we're successful I doubt he'll be here all that long - which would ultimately mean that anything he does to sway the '19 kids would likely be his biggest contribution.
This is not a Tiny situation. Can he help us with Lewis and other major '19 recruits? Sure, but I don't think anyone's expecting them to commit either way. Rice will be a huge upgrade helping us with development and coaching and has tons of experience (something no one else has really). He wouldn't just help us with the '19 recruits, he would help us every cycle especially with the NJ recruits. With Tiny, he was used to get Whitehead then they got rid of him. I would assume we keep Rice even if he doesn't get Lewis for us if hired since he's a real coach. I don't see Rice as some type of savior...he's simply a major upgrade based on what we have which is zero experience with our coaches and Matt is fed up being the only recruiter. If Mullin doesn't hire any help I wouldn't expect Matt to take it for too long before leaving. We need to start making decisions that are obvious at other major programs.
By the way I think he meant "toast" referring to ultimate failure and not necessarily being fired. If this doesn't materialize, it's hard for me to see Mullin being successful. If Heron is eligible and Rice comes on board, can we all throw a party somewhere? That would mean the stars aligning for once.[/quote]
Completely agree not a Tiny situation. Coach Rice is dynamic and can contribute in any number of ways. My point was more that if we're successful I doubt he'll be here all that long - which would ultimately mean that anything he does to sway the '19 kids would likely be his biggest contribution.
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